2012-09-05, 21:28 | Link #561 |
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lol i would die laughter, but its deff gonna get stolen, state. there so way theyd let smoething powerfull remain, unless it can only be used by the head capt. or maybe its power harm the user as well, or maybe there can only be one way to use it. buuuuuuut even if were being trolled and this is only a stunt to not be underdone by naruto (with the relieving of tobi's real i.d.) and gets his bankai stolen itd be nice to see it once, and exactly how i works.
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2012-09-05, 22:43 | Link #562 |
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Got dem chills seeing the old man going bankai. the bad guys seem to be dropping like flies, whereas there is still a couple bankai's left to be shown on the side of SS.
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2012-09-06, 00:13 | Link #563 | |
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2012-09-06, 01:05 | Link #564 | |
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And before anyone asks how he could have ever made Captain without having a Bankai, just think about it for a second... |
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2012-09-06, 01:09 | Link #565 | |
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Also, and it's probably the main reason - it's not like he lacked raw power to defeat Aizen till the very end. |
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I can't see why Yama would not defend himself or his people at full power during the Winter War, except for the fact that he had already been affected by Aizen's shikai and potentially feared hurting his comrades. That's the only reason, but then again, I'm pretty sure they are all taken out quite quickly if I recall. What makes this new villain such a threat that he gets to see Yama's bankai two chapters into their confrontation (and Yama should be well aware of his ability to take your bankai away!) rather than Aizen other than the fact that Kubo feels obligated to showing Bankais because he didn't when the oldest Captains were fighting the Espada and Yama was fighting against Aizen. Or Kubo's just trying to get a quick cash in of fan, who may have dropped the series a long time ago, but may pick it back up hearing about Yama's bankai release (it's probably something this simple). I'm apologize, I didn't mean to rant and rave, but sometimes, when I look over and see the 30 volumes of Bleach I have, a twig of regret and sadness pulsates though my being seeing how this title has been so poorly handled. There was potential.
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2012-09-06, 03:11 | Link #567 |
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I still hold out that aizen was the real good guy and only did the things he did because he viewed soul society as wrong. Plus hes my favorite character so of course I would like to see him go out on top.
if kimish can do it with itachi, tite can do it with aizen lol
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2012-09-06, 03:16 | Link #568 |
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I've been rereading the Fake Karukara Town Arc recently, since I've been collecting the books as they have been released, so it's been interesting going through THAT war again and comparing it to what looks like the first stage of the 1000 Year War Arc.
It looks like, at the very least, Kubo has learned from his mistakes- not dragging out fights that don't matter, for one. Especially when they seemed to stick to a formula back in the previous arcs. Bad guy and good guy trade blows all confidently, then the bad guy released his sword and then the good guy would release theirs and, if they have done so before, they'd reveal a new technique and win. (On an unrelated note, a lot of people were annoyed at Stark's death at the hands of a Shikai- personally, I found that it makes sense considering the guy was pretty much fighting around 4 Captains and never really seemed to be on defence until he got stabbed in the back, after what must have been just a period of time of Shunsui just observing and waiting for the right moment to strike- BIG unrelated though XD) But back on this arc! It seems that things are developing at a faster rate with this wars focus bieng on the things that matter which is probably leading up to, I think, a period of time where Soul Society is "destroyed" and Ichigo comes to it only to find that he is too late. Sort of like in Naruto with the fights versus Pein and how they all moved at a very fast rate with lots of changing in perspectives and it felt like a countdown to SOMETHING- and that something was Pein nuking Konoha and then Naruto arriving too late. After that I guess we'll see a big change in the dynamic of the series, since I still feel as though the Arc has only just begun. Off course I am more than willing to admit/believe/suspect that I am totally wrong :P
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2012-09-06, 06:03 | Link #569 | |
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And secondly, we know how he became Captain - he had everyone fooled in thinking he had a water based zanpaktou, and he even showed them a fake bankai, so as far as they all knew, he did infact have 1 until he explained his powers. I simply don't buy that old Yamma's bankai will get stolen. There is absolutely no way he'd pull such a stupid ass stunt like that if he thought his power could get stolen. It is his power, it simply cannot be stolen from him, nor can anyone else wield it. Juha Bach musta done something seriously bad a 1000 years ago - that has Yamma so mad that he wants to completely and utterly annihilate him that he is pulling out his ultimate weapon to do so. |
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2012-09-06, 07:13 | Link #570 | |
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So I guess this time his decision has changed due to death of Choujiro and others. He indeed cares for his subordinates (except for that Entetsu Jigoku in FKT, hehe) |
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2012-09-06, 08:35 | Link #571 |
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so given what we have so far, we can safely say that Bach is a shinigami that's either younger or the same age as yamamoto who learned the quincy teachings and rebelled against SS for some reason.
yama keeps mentioning how he's so cruel when it comes about his subordinates lives so this either means that he was a former captain or a former captain commander and yamamoto overthrew him there's no way Bach could seal something so powerful as Ryujin Jakka because just like with Ichigo, it won't work....not because he's "special" or anything but simply because their bankais are too vast for the medalize vessel to "contain"...it's prob like trying to fit a bowling ball into a soda can. now yamamoto is going to loose this fight because squad 0 needs a reason to intervene but mostly because that Bach guy will prove to be more powerful since from what we've seen he's pretty much the final boss of bleach. and to beat the final boss you have to meet one requirement, you have to be a MC and yamamoto is no MC so he will fall.
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2012-09-06, 12:55 | Link #572 | |
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That's exactly my point, we know Quincies use long distance weapons (bows and arrows of numerous design and spears like Driscoll) and even their sword (Seele Scneider) is an arrow for their bow, but these guys show up and start turning into apes and all that other weird crap. Them stealing Bankais is the one thing that is justified from what we kjnow about Quincies. Quincy have always had access to spiritual gadgets and such and are known for it. (Uryu's capsules to make the blue fire, his pendant, seele schneider, etc). How the stealing actually works makes no sense, but whatever, that's the least of my concerns |
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2012-09-06, 13:01 | Link #573 | |
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2012-09-06, 14:26 | Link #574 | |
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In fact, even when we saw him perform the hypnosis ceremony on someone for the very first time (Barragan), he did not say his zanpakuto's command to release to shikai in order to initially trap him under its spell. |
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2012-09-06, 21:43 | Link #575 | |
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And even if it is intentional, there's nothing saying that Aizen's hypothetical shortcoming isn't limited just to an inability to manifest a Bankai, and everything else, up to and including surpassing the requirement to verbally release his Shikai, is perfectly attainable for him. Also, Aizen did verbally release his Zanpakuto when he conquered Hueco Mundo (chapter 371). Granted, the implication is that he already had Barragan, etc., enthralled before then, but we don't know the exact requirements of how it enthralls someone, or when exactly the hollows became enthralled. Our only source on that kind of information isn't exactly trustworthy... |
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2012-09-06, 22:31 | Link #576 |
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maybe the reason Aizen never revealed his bankai was because Kubo was keeping it for this final arc.
i wonder who will bust him out of jail...hope it will be Ichigo cause I can't wait to see the stupid look on his face when he hears what he has to do haha!
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2012-09-06, 23:30 | Link #577 | ||
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In Barry's case, I'm 99% positive Aizen released to shikai, the moment he held his weapon in front of him upside down and finished the ceremony right before the first words of his proposition speech. How the other hollows were caught under the spell, if at all, is of no concern since the rest of the scene only shows the illusion from Barry's PoV. Now Kubo's made Aizen say his release command on multiple occasions--the scene you're referring to in chapter 371 is one such example. Speaking of which, he seems to prefer stating the command immediately before dispelling an illusion. So this would be long after he goes shikai--which is the dilemma. Having said that, there have also been times when Aizen has not stated a release command to dispel his illusions. The most prominent example is when Hitsugaya stabbed Hinamori. But there have been more times too. (Like dispelling the illusion against Komamura before roasting him w/ hado 90) or dispelling the illusion after he sliced Hitsugaya up in central 46. So what does this mean? IMO, Kubo makes Aizen state the "shatter" release command mostly for the readers benefit when he feels it's necessary. I've never felt inclined to give Kubo anymore credit than that. But hey, I could be wrong. Maybe Kubo's fridge logic will pull through. He'll bring Aizen back to the plot, give him his shinigami powers back with his original abilities in-tact and actually take the time out to come up with explanations that will fill-in the minor hole or two involved with not having a bankai (if that's indeed the case). Or he could just give him a bankai and come up with some reason for not using it before. *shrugs* |
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2012-09-07, 17:11 | Link #579 |
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I'm itching to see Yamaji's bankai! Though I'm more curious about whose sword was held up to Urahara's shoulder (yeah yeah...10 to 1 it's GJ or Nel. Just show us already!).
As for whether Aizen having bankai or not... I don't see someone of Aizen's genius and obsession with perfection not obtaining bankai if he had the potential. But I suppose it's completely possible that Kyouka Suigetsu's has some special limitations in exchange for the power of complete hypnosis. There's typically a few reasons characters won't use certain powers A) They're so powerful they're never forced to wield it B)It's too dangerous to nearby allies C) They don't like revealing it openly D) There's a heavy price for using it. So assuming Aizen has bankai, it's probably a combination of A and D why we've never seen it.
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