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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 10
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... 114 53.52%
9 out of 10 : Excellent... 48 22.54%
8 out of 10 : Very Good... 25 11.74%
7 out of 10 : Good... 10 4.69%
6 out of 10 : Average... 7 3.29%
5 out of 10 : Below Average... 1 0.47%
4 out of 10 : Poor... 3 1.41%
3 out of 10 : Bad... 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... 1 0.47%
1 out of 10: Torturous... 4 1.88%
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Old 2012-09-08, 19:57   Link #121
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I don't think you can attribute everything to beta at this point in the game...

Keep in mind that we didn't actually see any of his Sword Skills (ie: his sword never glowed). Maybe it's just a secret technique of his skill, like Starburst Stream is a secret technique of Dual Wielding.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:00   Link #122
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I completely agree. He was getting on my nerves from the first fucking time i saw him. Sooo annoying (of course, he didn't deserve to die, but, well, no good deed goes unpunished)
I'm surprised that Godfrey survived as long as he did. His trusting behavior and limitiing himself and his crew was really a bad choice. I doubt they would use the teleport crystals anyways unless they were in a situation where they would either teleport or die. Also he was a retard to the bitter end. He refused to believe Kuradeel would hurt him so, despite his obvious hate of Kirito and crazed behavior.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:11   Link #123
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another great episode.

laughing at Kirito in white, which promptly oveturned the WTF moment when he lost the duel due to that ... what, cheat or incarnate system or whatever that is hope they address that later on.

but yeah kinda strange no more mention of Heathcliff after what happened with godfrey and kuradeel, though i understand they were trying to put the focus on Kirito X Asuna.

and that was great ^^ go asuna , kirito .
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:25   Link #124
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Watch the episode before judging. You'll be very surprised by how everything plays out. This is basically three wham episodes compressed into 22 minutes.
Watched it. Judged it. Lame. Rating of 1.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:25   Link #125
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Haven't watch this epispde yet. So how good is the fighting scene in this episode?
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:28   Link #126
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When Kirito said to Asuna "I want to spend the night with you" I had some epic flashbacks of Lion's Pride in Moon Guard
(World of Warcraft reference). I rofled all over the place.

Having said that, I can't say that I enjoyed the last part of the episode, it was far too rushed, in fact I'm dissapointed because I was enjoying their love story so far.
While it's been obvious that Asuna thought of Kirito as a bit more than just friends, this needed more time to develop in a natural, enjoyable way.
In a five minutes span, they kissed for the first time, had sex and decided to get married, what the hell is that? We weren't told "Asuna is pregnant" just because it's a game(God spare us from a Harvest Moon development).

Even the kiss scene was awkward, Asuna was crying rivers over what had just happened -including the death of a guildmate- but she was not even surprised when Kirito kisser her.

It was all too unnatural.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:38   Link #127
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Ah, that? I got carried away by the moment so that didn't even cross my mind at all. Shame on me. Maybe he'll show some guilt about taking another person's life later on? Perhaps the novel was more detailed about his train of thought about that issue.
It's possible that he'd just forget it happened. People do odd things in the face of stressful near death experiences.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:43   Link #128
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I find it interesting one can actually use skills without having a sword equipped. I imagine the offensive power is drastically lower, but it's cool to see a sword isn't a necessity to fight in this game.
Back when I played Ultima Online (which the author used as one of the references for this series), you can unequip your weapons and start punching things. It could happen right after you die and have no equipment as well. It is just a hand-to-hand combat skill.

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But, if Heathcliff is such a good judge of character, how come he didn't knew about Kuradeel? Or it was a deeper ploy? Sadly, i sensed the whole "i am from the laughling coffin" as soon as the paralisys went in to play. It gives the whole thing in episode 8-9 a new meaning. In the end, Kirito protecting Asuna was the best.
Back in episode 8, Asuna explained to Kirito that the guild has grown too big, and Heathcliff (not the cat ) no longer personally choose and invite members to join. Kirito is probably the first member he requested to join in a long time. Heathcliff probably does not even know many of his members right now, as they would probably be under the command of some of his of vice commanders.

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I'm not one of the "oh noes teh teens having sex". The scene sounded to ME like "Hey, we had sex, lets get married". I don't know, maybe with another setting. Like in the morning, after breakfast? Ok, that sounded like "hey, you cook good, marry me".
They have been living in this world for 2 years now, fighting for their life almost daily. It kind of brings it back to the old days, when people get married younger because life expectancy is shorter. They never know when they might die, so quick marriages make sense. You try to obtain happiness whenever you can not knowing if you will live the next day.

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Apologies if someone has covered this, but did anyone else find it out of character that Kirito has just killed a man for the first time, and instead of shock and remorse he has an "I'm going to Disney World!!" moment and kisses his girlfriend? It's not that Kuradeel wasn't a terrible person (and a terrible Scooby Doo caliber villain, too) but the point is, Kirito isn't a terrible person - shouldn't he feel great distresss about what just happened?
Yes, I'm sure he felt a little remorse. However, you have to remember that they have been living a life or death situation for 2 years now. Their lives have been killing things (monsters), which will gladly kill them without hesitation. Kirito has seen death around him more times than he would like, and one sort of gets immune to it over time. I'm sure it affected him, but in a world of kill or be killed, it should not weigh too heavily on him.

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I'm surprised that Godfrey survived as long as he did. His trusting behavior and limitiing himself and his crew was really a bad choice. I doubt they would use the teleport crystals anyways unless they were in a situation where they would either teleport or die. Also he was a retard to the bitter end. He refused to believe Kuradeel would hurt him so, despite his obvious hate of Kirito and crazed behavior.
I totally agree with you here. I was like, "why would you need to take crystals away." It absolutely did not make sense, when all he had to do was say, "don't use them, unless you absolutely have to." They are there for a reason, and if you end up needing to use them, there must be a very good reason.

Anyway, as for the episode itself, it was very entertaining. It seems that Heathcliff either has a special skill or a hack system that defeated Kirito in the end. He was not too happy that he had to use it, and probably more upset that Kirito saw him using it.

I never expected Kirito would join, since he is so natural in black. However, it does not change his situation with Asuna. It just increases his responsibilities.

Btw, that stadium looks like it would fit over 10,000 people, and it was filled to the brim. I wonder where all those people came from? NPC?

So Kirito is level 96 now. I wonder how high the maximum level will be? He usually keeps about 20 levels above the dungeon level, but if maximum level is 100, it will be more difficult and tougher on the higher levels. They are at the 70's floor level now. Not much further to go.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:52   Link #129
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In many MMO's, the game continues for quite a while even after the level cap has been reached.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:52   Link #130
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I'm not saying it makes him bad. I think the fact that he's clearly not bad makes it odd that there's no mention of him feeling terrible remorse, which is what a good person would feel.

I can't say with certainly that Kirito hasn't killed offscreen, but consider how big a deal the series makes about the sanctity of life - and how much Kirito seems to believe in that himself - wouldn't that be a big enough deal that it should have played a huge role in the story, if it happened?
To be fair, the plot game didn't really care too much about Kirito killing another player either, since he was able to immediately enter a safe zone afterwards . . .
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:56   Link #131
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In many MMO's, the game continues for quite a while even after the level cap has been reached.
Yeah, but in this situation, it could mean instant death. Kirito keeps that safety margin in order to avoid most dangerous situations. If he cannot maintain that safety margin gap, it becomes extremely risky in the later levels. If that is the case, the game creator is extremely cruel. How likely are people going to risk their lives as the level gap decreases?
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:58   Link #132
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By upgrading their gear and abilities, like in any other MMO.

This is of course all assuming that 100 is the cap.
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Old 2012-09-08, 20:59   Link #133
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Yeah, but in this situation, it could mean instant death. Kirito keeps that safety margin in order to avoid most dangerous situations. If he cannot maintain that safety margin gap, it becomes extremely risky in the later levels. If that is the case, the game creator is extremely cruel. How likely are people going to risk their lives as the level gap decreases?
But this is why Kirito told Asuna he was reaching the limit to what he could do as a solo player. From here own he won't be able to keep that safety margin anymore (since 100 is indeed the cap) so being part of a guild will compensate for that.
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Old 2012-09-08, 21:02   Link #134
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It's possible that he'd just forget it happened. People do odd things in the face of stressful near death experiences.
Or maybe he's just unforgiving and merciless to anyone who harms his Asuna?

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Yeah, but in this situation, it could mean instant death. Kirito keeps that safety margin in order to avoid most dangerous situations. If he cannot maintain that safety margin gap, it becomes extremely risky in the later levels. If that is the case, the game creator is extremely cruel. How likely are people going to risk their lives as the level gap decreases?
Getting better equipments near endgame would help. Plus, teaming up with a lot of people when fighting high level monsters will greatly increase their success for victory. For instance, zerging in Nexus in TERA Online.

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Old 2012-09-08, 21:07   Link #135
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To be fair, the plot game didn't really care too much about Kirito killing another player either, since he was able to immediately enter a safe zone afterwards . . .
You don't get flagged for attacking an orange player. This is, in fact, the entire point of the flagging system. People who attack innocents are treated by the game mechanics as "outlaws" and lose the protection of the law. People can freely attack them without penalty, and they can't stay in towns. Why in the world would such a system want to punish self-defense?

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Old 2012-09-08, 21:09   Link #136
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Awesome episode....!!!! I wanna cry again!!!!
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Old 2012-09-08, 21:10   Link #137
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To be fair, the plot game didn't really care too much about Kirito killing another player either, since he was able to immediately enter a safe zone afterwards . . .
Well same would be said for Asuna since she attacked another player, but if you go back to Ep. 4 Rosalia's dialogue implies that you stay green if you attack or kill an orange player, but you turn orange if you attack or kill a green player.

Spoiler for LN reference to green/orange players:


And Clarste beat me to the explanation.
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Old 2012-09-08, 21:11   Link #138
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Spoiler for Light Novel Information, comparison to current content only:


Regards what has been said earlier, the level cap is at 100 but the game still continues - but what happens is, as other posters have said, the safety margin is gone. Going back to Silica's ep, the light novels note that you need a safety margin of at least ten levels above whatever floor you are on, which was why Silica was in such despair, as there was no way she'd be able to powerlevel in three days to be high enough to solo that floor (though it's a moot point, with what happened).

As Kirito said, gear can compensate for the level gap to an extent, though I'm quite sure Kayaba ensured that the infamous Alchemy-Enchanting-Smithing loop from Skyrim couldn't be replicated in SAO

Still, all in all, a decent ep all things considered. I do consider this one of the weaker points of the original novel, as the relationship upgrade felt as though it came outta nowhere... at least with the chronological adaptation, you get to see more buildup.

So anyway Asuna flag tripped, relationship upgraded to official couple status. Hell yes. I'm getting tired of will they won't they stories.
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Old 2012-09-08, 21:11   Link #139
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Well same would be said for Asuna since she attacked another player, but if you go back to Ep. 4 Rosalia's dialogue implies that you stay green if you attack or kill an orange player, but you turn orange if you attack or kill a green player.

Spoiler for LN reference to green/orange players:
It's also common sense for an MMO mechanic.
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Old 2012-09-08, 21:14   Link #140
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To be fair, the plot game didn't really care too much about Kirito killing another player either, since he was able to immediately enter a safe zone afterwards . . .
I'd imagine you could attack someone who attacked you first without turning orange... that's... fairly obvious logic.

And since neither Kirito's nor Asuna's icons turned orange, and Kuradeel's immediately did... it's likely by design. Also, as was pointed out in the posts above me it was pointed out in the anime way back in ep4.

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But this is why Kirito told Asuna he was reaching the limit to what he could do as a solo player. From here own he won't be able to keep that safety margin anymore (since 100 is indeed the cap) so being part of a guild will compensate for that.
I figured that was more because the monster AI was improving and Kirito was shown to have a rather rough time killing a single monster in the last episode, where-as killing the same enemy when teamed up with Asuna was cakewalk.

When monsters start behaving in unpredictable ways in a death-game, and start breaking out sword skills... the safety margins get MUCH smaller.

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Regards what has been said earlier, the level cap is at 100
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