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Old 2012-09-08, 22:25   Link #1321
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Hmmmmm..... Chapter 16.5 was pretty good. However, I can't see it happening before what happened at the end of Episode 10 of the anime.
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Old 2012-09-08, 22:46   Link #1322
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Hmmmmm..... Chapter 16.5 was pretty good. However, I can't see it happening before what happened at the end of Episode 10 of the anime.
...it doesn't happen before. It is what happens at the end of episode 10. That's why Asuna wakes up in bed naked.
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Old 2012-09-08, 22:55   Link #1323
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What I'm saying is that the waking up in bed scene seems unnatural supposing Chapter 16.5 did occur.

A side issue: Any indication Asuna wears some sort of gown, pajamas when she usually goes to sleep?
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Old 2012-09-08, 23:02   Link #1324
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The way she was holding the sheet to her when she got up implied she wasn't wearing anything. I admit I would have liked it if they were both in the bed and like cuddling or something. No, that's not weird. I just like sappy things from time to time.

I sort of wish we'd gotten the part where she yelled at him to take his clothes off because it was stupid to stop now, but that would have made it even clearer I guess and they seemed to be trying to simply suggest what happened.
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Old 2012-09-08, 23:05   Link #1325
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There is a possible explanation about the naked in bed bit, hence why I asked the question I asked.
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Old 2012-09-08, 23:30   Link #1326
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Unless she enjoys sleeping topless which i doubt, they did it. And then he woke up and changed
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Old 2012-09-08, 23:49   Link #1327
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A fact of reality boys should know: Unless the girl is masochistic or has very loose-fitting ones, she would usually not sleep with a bra on. There are of course personal preferences, but usually bras does not help with getting a good night's sleep due to the pressure it puts on the chest. That is a major factor in women's nightwear being looser around the chest.

Taking this into consideration, Asuna sleeping topless is not at all a sure way of implying a round of nightly passion. Furthermore, assuming the activities of Chapter 16.5 was replicated, there are quite a few problems to overcome (bedding, moral code override, general fatigue) to make it believable that the scene in Episode 10 is that of the aftermath.
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Old 2012-09-08, 23:54   Link #1328
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Besides the obvious "waking up topless" that was shown, you can see all the subtleties that were in their expressions. Kirito tenderly poking her sheet with a warm smile; Asuna waking up with such a tender expression not uncommon with a fresh non-virgin towards their partner; and compare that to how she acted just before when she wasn't even fully naked.

I'd say A-1 did a great job with the PG-13 sex. Older people know exactly what happened while the younger crowd that doesn't "get it" would be left wondering. I think the way they pulled that is by having Kirito fully clothed.
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Old 2012-09-09, 00:06   Link #1329
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I think the only reason why they had Kirito wear clothes was because he wasn't wearing enough black this episode, but otherwise I really have to agree with everything you said
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Old 2012-09-09, 00:25   Link #1330
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I think the only reason why they had Kirito wear clothes was because he wasn't wearing enough black this episode, but otherwise I really have to agree with everything you said
Hi toast!!!

Anyway... yah, guess.. its true... But I hope they gave him a cooler (tougher, more knight looking armor like Kuradeel's... He's one of the best player. damn... I see their disregards to Kirito for taking their Princes's heart....
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Old 2012-09-09, 00:31   Link #1331
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A fact of reality boys should know: Unless the girl is masochistic or has very loose-fitting ones, she would usually not sleep with a bra on. There are of course personal preferences, but usually bras does not help with getting a good night's sleep due to the pressure it puts on the chest. That is a major factor in women's nightwear being looser around the chest.
Be that as it may, this is a video game. Normally, underwear would not be removable in order to maintain an age rating lower than 18. When the system considered you naked, you would still be wearing underwear. We see this at work back in the Silica episode. She's ready for bed, and wearing her full underwear. For Asuna to not be wearing the top portion of her underwear, she would have to have taken steps that would not normally be available, even for sleeping.
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Old 2012-09-09, 00:38   Link #1332
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I sort of wish we'd gotten the part where she yelled at him to take his clothes off because it was stupid to stop now, but that would have made it even clearer I guess and they seemed to be trying to simply suggest what happened.
Agree... At least they should put a "ROMANTIC MOOD" in that scene... It isn't needed to see them both naked... but like a some kissing... shyness, hesitation... and a little resistance would have been classic... Look at Fushiju Yuuji in the OVA...
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Old 2012-09-09, 00:54   Link #1333
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I have to agree with Dann of Thursday. What truly ticks me off and thus has me being a unbeliever is how there is a large gap between what should have happened after the scene of Chapter 16.5 and what was actually shown in Episode 10. Perhaps it's the attempt at being PG-13, but overall the scene comes out as only those who want to believe there was a certain activity would actually get the reference.

And this is coming from a romanticist who unabashedly WANTS Chapter 16.5 to be canon.
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Old 2012-09-09, 00:59   Link #1334
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Even if they didn't have sex during the episode, does anyone think they didn't do it during the credits? The only possible way Kirito didn't get nookie that night is if he's using Asuna to hide his feelings for Klein.

You know, my one disappointment with ALO was at the end when Sugou starts ranting about how he'll take Asuna's virginity twice, once in the virtual world and again in reality. I really wanted Asuna to distract him by saying something like, "Sorry, but there's a slight problem with that plan."
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Old 2012-09-09, 01:00   Link #1335
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I have to agree with Dann of Thursday. What truly ticks me off and thus has me being a unbeliever is how there is a large gap between what should have happened after the scene of Chapter 16.5 and what was actually shown in Episode 10. Perhaps it's the attempt at being PG-13, but overall the scene comes out as only those who want to believe there was a certain activity would actually get the reference.

And this is coming from a romanticist who unabashedly WANTS Chapter 16.5 to be canon.
So you're saying it would be less ambiguous if 16.5 wasn't written at all?

I'll be honest, I've never actually read the whole chapter because I didn't feel like reading porn. However, even in the basic novel without the chapter I found it completely obvious that they had sex. There was no ambiguity whatsoever. That was just the classic TV way of showing that two people just had sex.
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Old 2012-09-09, 01:10   Link #1336
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More like "Ah, it might have happened. Would be nice if it was true." The way things went in the novel, never mind the existense of Chapter 16.5, turned it into "DAMNIT JUST WHY ARE THEY IMPLYIHG IF THEY'RE GOING TO RUIN IT!?!?!?"
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Old 2012-09-09, 01:21   Link #1337
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In the novel we go from Asuna explaining to Kirito how to have sex in SOA to them waking up in bed together. I can't really see any ambiguity there at all! It's also mentioned later that whiile they had two beds so did they only use one of them most of the time.
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Old 2012-09-09, 01:23   Link #1338
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You know, my one disappointment with ALO was at the end when Sugou starts ranting about how he'll take Asuna's virginity twice, once in the virtual world and again in reality. I really wanted Asuna to distract him by saying something like, "Sorry, but there's a slight problem with that plan."
You mentioning ALO and Sugou's threats just reminded me of that awesome DL Action doujin.

But yeah it was obvious for those who were looking for it. And subtleties are what makes SAO fun to read and watch no? So A-1 did a great job managing to cram a lot of development into 20 minutes while making it not feel rushed at all.
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Old 2012-09-09, 02:22   Link #1339
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Reminds me of one white collar episode where Sara Ellis wakes up in Neal Caffrey's bed and slinks out wearing one of his shirts and his hat. It was extremely obvious that yes, they had sex.

Anyway... YES! FINALLY! I have had enough of wishy washy pratagonists and couples. Finally, a relationship upgrade with no reset.
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Old 2012-09-09, 02:42   Link #1340
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Besides the obvious "waking up topless" that was shown, you can see all the subtleties that were in their expressions. Kirito tenderly poking her sheet with a warm smile; Asuna waking up with such a tender expression not uncommon with a fresh non-virgin towards their partner; and compare that to how she acted just before when she wasn't even fully naked.
If Asuna was still a virgin then, and woke up with her lover bedside her bed.. the normal anime reaction would be...

Asuna: "Kirito-kun? Why are you"
Kirito: acting cool "Hi Asuna.." smiles
Asuna realizes she's naked, get the lamp shade and hits Kirito in the facing screeming... Kirito, hentai!!!!!
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