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Old 2012-09-10, 23:27   Link #1101
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Hope that isn't sarcasm... but it varies from culture and the person's state of mind... It's not being a cave man or being intelligent... it's respect to one's self and the opposite sex....

It's human to be attracted to someone naked.... but it's more appreciated if one has self control...

Hmmm.... I wonder if it'll be ok to bring a caveman in a mixed bath... that would be trouble..
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Old 2012-09-10, 23:44   Link #1102
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No, I wouldn't. You could suspect me as gay or an idiot... but mine will only stand to either my crush or my love interest...
Just sayin', but if what you're saying were generally true, I would seriously question the point of the adult entertainment industry...

(Keep in mind that this is based on an adult game where an undeniable part of the marketing is for the audience to fantasize about the relationships portrayed in the game... whether that's sexual or just more emotional/romantic...)
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Old 2012-09-10, 23:50   Link #1103
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Just sayin', but if what you're saying were generally true, I would seriously question the point of the adult entertainment industry...
I speak of real life... Let's avoid speak of things in general and assume it's normal or not a man reacts to a naked woman... its a case to case basis.
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Old 2012-09-10, 23:57   Link #1104
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Hope that isn't sarcasm... but it varies from culture and the person's state of mind... It's not being a cave man or being intelligent... it's respect to one's self and the opposite sex....

It's human to be attracted to someone naked.... but it's more appreciated if one has self control...

Hmmm.... I wonder if it'll be ok to bring a caveman in a mixed bath... that would be trouble..
Exactly. Self control is an important quality that humans have. If we only let our instincts control us, I don't even know where we would be.

That's one thing that always confused me is how some people called certain MC a wuss just because did not go wild. Reminds me of a discussion somewhere about Kono Naka ni Hitori Imouto ga Iru when the MC was given aphrodisiacs and had two naked girls in his bed. He controlled himself from going wild just because one of them could be his blood sisters as well as the possible consequences. That's amazing self-control there. If it was me, I probably go crazy... so I probably just going to run out of the house screaming like a madman in hope of uhh... focusing my energy elsewhere.

Also in this case, Yuuki sees Chisato more like a sister than a possible romantic interest. That will affect how he reacts with her.
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Old 2012-09-10, 23:59   Link #1105
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I speak of real life... Let's avoid speak of things in general and assume it's normal or not a man reacts to a naked woman... its a case to case basis.
...But I think we have to speak in generalities here. You assume that Yuuki is clearly in love with Chisato because he's sexually attracted to her. You assume this based on your own personal experience. But many other people are explaining that they don't think it's abnormal for a guy in that situation to be sexually aroused. So, if that's the case, his arousal isn't necessarily proof of anything.

It's quite possible (and even likely) that Yuuki has a crush on or is in love with multiple girls in this story to varying degrees. In the end, he just has to decide who he chooses above all the others.


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Exactly. Self control is an important quality that humans have. If we only let our instincts control us, I don't even know where we would be.
I think the point was never really about Yuuki's self-control. It was about whether his sexual attraction to Chisato (as shown/implied in the anime) is evidence that he really loves her (in that way) above all others. My vote is in the "maybe" camp.
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Old 2012-09-11, 00:02   Link #1106
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If it was me, I probably go crazy... so I probably just going to run out of the house screaming like a madman in hope of uhh... focusing my energy elsewhere.
That's the third that I might do after "Shouting what the hell are you doing?!!" and "Running out of the room" and stay out until she dresses up!

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...But I think we have to speak in generalities here.
My reaction was based on the statement below....

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Old 2012-09-11, 00:11   Link #1107
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It's quite possible (and even likely) that Yuuki has a crush on or is in love with multiple girls in this story to varying degrees. In the end, he just has to decide who he chooses above all the others.

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I honestly think this is the case, the interactions with Hazuki shows me that at least. He puts way too much time in for her to just be an annoying older woman who annoys him. Going to her house to cook for her is a big gesture imo. Also when she straight up confessed, instead of swiftly putting her down like he JUST did with Chisato the episode before, he actually said he needed to think on it.

This lets me know that some of these girls do interest him with the possibilities of a relationship, just has to choose which one he wants the most.
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Old 2012-09-11, 00:13   Link #1108
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I honestly think this is the case, the interactions with Hazuki shows me that at least. He puts way too much time in for her to just be an annoying older woman who annoys him. Going to her house to cook for her is a big gesture imo. Also when she straight up confessed, instead of swiftly putting her down like he JUST did with Chisato the episode before, he actually said he needed to think on it.
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I think Yuuki looked at Hazuki as an Onee-san....than a lover....
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Old 2012-09-11, 00:16   Link #1109
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I think Yuuki looked at Hazuki as an Onee-san....than a lover....
I think its his views of her being a sister figure that conflicts with his possible feelings. Probably thoughts like "I shouldn't like this person that I've considered a sister".

To get real extreme, there are people who do feel attraction to their real siblings and have these thoughts, but our case here isn't as extreme. He could actually date her if he wanted.

All I know is that compared to the usual onee-san characters we see in Harem that usually have no chance, Hazuki does seem to be in his mind somewhere. Even with the game she and Satsuki plays, he didn't necessarily STOP it, knowing full well what the winner would receive. We've seen first hand he has the ability to tell someone he doesn't like them and not be indecisive.
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Old 2012-09-11, 00:24   Link #1110
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Wow, this has been an entertaining read for the past few posts.

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Exactly. Self control is an important quality that humans have. If we only let our instincts control us, I don't even know where we would be.
As relentlessflame mentioned, the issue really isn't about self control. It is about the situation Yuuki was in, and if his behavior is normal, as in his sexual response to the situation. Yuuki exhibited very good self-control there, but his "instincts" still did its thing.

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I speak of real life... Let's avoid speak of things in general and assume it's normal or not a man reacts to a naked woman... its a case to case basis.
I was trying to give you a metaphor to compare Yuuki's situation. In this sense, we should speak of generalities as much as we can, or things could become a little too personal.

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I think Yuuki looked at Hazuki as an Onee-san....than a lover....
I can agree with you on this one. Poor Hazuki.
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Old 2012-09-11, 00:27   Link #1111
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All I know is that compared to the usual onee-san characters we see in Harem that usually have no chance, Hazuki does seem to be in his mind somewhere. Even with the game she and Satsuki plays, he didn't necessarily STOP it, knowing full well what the winner would receive. We've seen first hand he has the ability to tell someone he doesn't like them and not be indecisive.
I think the problem with Hazuki is that he can never quite tell just how serious she is, partly because she's often drinking/drunk. There's also a barrier because she's a teacher. I suspect that he does have something of a crush on her, but has his doubts about whether there's really any serious potential there for any sort of real relationship. (He probably sees it as a sort of childish crush, and thinks that she's just being a tease to encourage him.)

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Old 2012-09-11, 02:39   Link #1112
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thundrakkon you writed that for now MC isnt in love with anyone, but truth is you cant be sure about it, because some issues prevent him from express his feelings... Thats why its big possibility that he is already in love with someone.

Problem here is not Yuuki self-control, but reason why he behave like this. And im not even talking about making move on her or just touching her naked body, but he is not even blushing, trying to peek on her naked body or show any sign of nervousness on his face... And he is sexually attracted to her. Even if he would treat her like just only childhood friend its impossible. There is bigger reason to it and we will soon know answer.
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Old 2012-09-11, 02:41   Link #1113
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thundrakkon you writed that for now MC isnt in love with anyone, but truth is you cant be sure about it, because some issues prevent him from express his feelings... Thats why its big possibility that he is already in love with someone.
It's Chisato... but Yuuki is confused because of the "dead" brother issue... and he probably have doubts that Chisato really loves him...
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Old 2012-09-11, 03:07   Link #1114
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There is bigger reason to it and we will soon know answer.
I'm sure we will.

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It's Chisato... but Yuuki is confused because of the "dead" brother issue... and he probably have doubts that Chisato really loves him...
Considering how intelligent and aware of his surroundings, I'm not sure he doubts Chisato's love/infatuation. But yes, as game players have alluded to repeatedly, there are probably underlying issues that we are not aware of yet concerning Yuuki's feelings when it comes to Chisato.

I'm guessing the next episode will clear up a lot of things concerning Chisato. Frankly, I hope to get the romance situation solved soon (unlikely until the last episode), so that we can focus on all the fun stuff, like the elections, the evil mid-bosses, as well as the final boss (and more Michiru action... seriously, she needs some love here).

Oh yeah, let's finish up Chocolate as well, since it has mostly been hinted, but never really fleshed out.
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Old 2012-09-13, 12:05   Link #1115
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JUST WATCHED THE LATEST EPISODE....

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS MY HAREM ANIMU... I know I've been spoiled in the game thread but still...
Seriously, all VN's should follow koichoco... then there's da capo 3 this january, back to ol' harem shit...
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Old 2012-09-13, 12:46   Link #1116
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Spoiler for Episode 10:
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Old 2012-09-13, 15:43   Link #1117
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JUST WATCHED THE LATEST EPISODE....

I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS MY HAREM ANIMU... I know I've been spoiled in the game thread but still...
Seriously, all VN's should follow koichoco... then there's da capo 3 this january, back to ol' harem shit...
Lol yeah critical plot stuff that's both relevant and related to the first episode!

Er I don't think that constitutes a spoiler.

Dude it turned out exactly as hyl predicted.

Don't read the spoiler if you haven't seen the episode, though it doesn't even talk about episode 10 specifically either.
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At least I'm happy it didn't go in the direction I didn't want it (or maybe that comes to fruition later). I definitely like what I saw. If anything, I say NOOOO that wasn't enough, need the next episode!

I don't even know what's going to happen now or next or later.

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Old 2012-09-13, 21:05   Link #1118
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So, she’s been forcing chocolate on him for at least ten years. Are we really supposed to see this as romantic and not psychotic? Gee Chisato, I have no clue why he would think you are using him as a replacement brother. It seems to me like she really does want both. A boyfriend and a replacement brother in one, who she can keep doing that absurd chocolate thing with. She needs to seek professional mental help.
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Old 2012-09-13, 21:26   Link #1119
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Once you said that I couldn't get the thought out of my mind once I started watching the episode.

Not used to her seiyuu Imai Asami doing that kind of voice though. I'm used to the Kurisu/Noire/Tsubaki Yayoi kind of voice.
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Old 2012-09-13, 23:45   Link #1120
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So, she’s been forcing chocolate on him for at least ten years. Are we really supposed to see this as romantic and not psychotic? Gee Chisato, I have no clue why he would think you are using him as a replacement brother. It seems to me like she really does want both. A boyfriend and a replacement brother in one, who she can keep doing that absurd chocolate thing with. She needs to seek professional mental help.
That and when the anime didn't use early episodes to show much Chisato and Yuuki interaction, it does look somewhat psychotic. (or rather instant clingy demand instead of gradual because of one cour speed.)

On a positive note I do like how Yuuki isn't overly dense, responds reasonably, and is a fun protagonist to watch undergo these adventures that almost have nothing to do with him specifically but he learns about it anyways.
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