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Old 2012-09-14, 03:14   Link #10501
Kaisos Erranon
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Essentially, for this manga to continue, Ajimu needs to be removed somehow.
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Old 2012-09-14, 06:17   Link #10502
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Nice way to hype the new guy. I can see that though, Kumagawa can beat her because of the Nature of his powers, I get that. But what could this guy do to make her sweat like that?

Next chapter is going to be a good one, for us action lovers.
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Old 2012-09-14, 06:42   Link #10503
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Essentially, for this manga to continue, Ajimu needs to be removed somehow.
Why 'removed'? She's been around for a long time and the manga didn't end - and she even said she has the power to do so. Creating a new character that could be on par with her powers is one way to keep her in check, making her fake her vulnerability could be another.

Ajimu simply enjoys theatergoing. As an all-powerful and all-knowing being, she could simply put an end to everything, but she won't do so because the story wouldn't be interesting if she did that. At least, that's how I see it. She's now part of the "protagonists party", she wants to enjoy the adventure with them, not meta-hacking everything to easily win and be bored to death for all eternity again.
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Old 2012-09-14, 06:43   Link #10504
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lol Anshin'in is on the edge of being defeated by this Iihiko being? WTF but ok thinking more logically Anshin'in has billions of skills but she got no infinite skills so their is still a possibility of her being defeated
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Old 2012-09-14, 07:13   Link #10505
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looking at it as a rpg side of it, having a lot of skills means nothing if you don't have high stats to make them work, maybe ajimu doesn't have high stats, but only skills?
and where does this all-powerful thing comes from? i don't remember having read it in the manga :/
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Old 2012-09-14, 07:46   Link #10506
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Here's the thing, only Zen fans believed it. It was a case of wishful thinking more than anything else. I mean c'mon son, you don't see people reading the latest Monogatari novel and going "Oh Kaiki is the main character!!" (Just an example)
Erm, what?

I'm not sure I'd be what classifies for a "Zen fan", but it's undeniable that that's what the True Flask Plan arc was leading to. That was the whole point of Zenkichi's personal skill. The whole point of becoming a Zero was to become a main character unlike the main characters written before him.

You can't simply call people who believe the author's word to be "just the wishful fans of ____" when Nishio pulls a 180 and trolls.
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Old 2012-09-14, 09:53   Link #10507
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Essentially, for this manga to continue, Ajimu needs to be removed somehow.
Neh i've always stated it and it was inevitable, she needs to be nerfed, either by making more people on her "level" or her level brought down. I'm guessing if Nisio is serious this is her nerfing.
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Old 2012-09-14, 10:26   Link #10508
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Neh i've always stated it and it was inevitable, she needs to be nerfed, either by making more people on her "level" or her level brought down. I'm guessing if Nisio is serious this is her nerfing.
She is Nerfed. She deliberately Nerfed herself by taking Medaka's invitation up. Everyone of her God Mode powers is essentially for laughs as we see the most annoying of enemies get WTF Pwned. The really serious boss enemies are Medaka's to deal with, and their thrash mobs, Zenkichi's.
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Old 2012-09-14, 10:26   Link #10509
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I would really love for this to happen, but her expression...
That expression is Nisio telling the artist, "we're going to troll the readers. The worried face goes away the very next panel."

It's not the first time that been done in this manga. I think. Too damn lazy to go look up a specific example of misleading last panels that get changed the next chapter.
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Old 2012-09-14, 11:25   Link #10510
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Why 'removed'? She's been around for a long time and the manga didn't end
She was a villain then.
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She's now part of the "protagonists party", she wants to enjoy the adventure with them, not meta-hacking everything to easily win and be bored to death for all eternity again.
And if she was wearing her usual confident expression and said something like "I'm only going to fight this guy for 15 seconds", that would be fine. But her text box is wavering, she has a nervous expression, and what she says implies that she CAN only hold him off for 15 seconds.
This omnipotent character can only hold off this monster for 15 seconds. Not will, but can.
If there does turn out to be a decent justification for all this, you can disregard everything I've said here and call me a faggot, but as it is I think my complaints and concerns are perfectly valid.
It's made even worse because the last time I saw a huge muscled monster in a NisiOisiN work he got his ass beat into the ground by a scrawny high schooler.
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I'm not sure I'd be what classifies for a "Zen fan", but it's undeniable that that's what the True Flask Plan arc was leading to. That was the whole point of Zenkichi's personal skill. The whole point of becoming a Zero was to become a main character unlike the main characters written before him.
This. I think what a lot of people wanted was for the manga to become "Zenkichi Box", and it almost did, too.
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Old 2012-09-14, 11:53   Link #10511
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Because if Anshin San did arrange for a Harem situation for Zenkichi, that guy would stand shoulders above the vast majority of Harem protagonists out there. And Ajimu could have done it- I think, had Zenkichi refused Ajimu's offer, that might have been her "punishment".
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Old 2012-09-14, 12:06   Link #10512
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This. I think what a lot of people wanted was for the manga to become "Zenkichi Box", and it almost did, too.
I'll be honest - It would be a helluva lot better manga if it had actually focused on this brand new interesting council instead of dragging the focus back to Kurokami.

And, of course, with occasional Kumagawa. Because his interactions with Zen are always awesome :<
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Old 2012-09-14, 12:09   Link #10513
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She is Nerfed. She deliberately Nerfed herself by taking Medaka's invitation up. Everyone of her God Mode powers is essentially for laughs as we see the most annoying of enemies get WTF Pwned. The really serious boss enemies are Medaka's to deal with, and their thrash mobs, Zenkichi's.
Even if Ajimu is nerfing herself, it still kind of removes the tension knowing that Ajimu could just beat the next guy by the time we even blink. Although this isn't the first time this happened in manga, it still is really annoying and it removes any sort of tension that it would had gotten. It is probably my main gripe with Alucard from
Hellsing, it is not a bad manga but Alucard is basically a vampire Cthulhu that he makes any fight with him trivial. He was even 'defeated' by a guy with quantum powers who erased him from existence and he still came back.

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I'll be honest - It would be a helluva lot better manga if it had actually focused on this brand new interesting council instead of dragging the focus back to Kurokami.

And, of course, with occasional Kumagawa. Because his interactions with Zen are always awesome :<
It had always been Medaka's manga so it is going to revolve around her...........
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Old 2012-09-14, 13:24   Link #10514
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The point is, even if you consider Ajimu All-Powerful, it's not like she's using (or capable of using) all of her power at the same time. In particular, it's not like Ajimu has completely developed all of her power as of this time. Ajimu's power is basically to "overcome impossibilities", and the finite number of skills she collected might be on some level simply remnants of that. If Ajimu encounters something "impossible" right now, it's guaranteed that she will eventually be able to do it, but not necessarily at this very moment. The truth is, Ajimu should probably be expected to grow in skills/powers as she encounters new impossibilities; it's just that Ajimu has lived/searched for impossibilities for so long now that she already has overwhelming control over any sort of situation encountered by normal humans.
This is actually a pretty fair claim to her character. She is undergoing changes of her skills in real time.

When she first appeared on Box 88, she had 7932135441523222 Abnormal and and 4925916526110643 Minus.
While from Box 142 and on, she has 7932135441523225 Abnormal and 4925916526110642 Minus.
Gaining 3 new Abnormal and losing 1 Minus.
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Old 2012-09-14, 14:23   Link #10515
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Well obviously, if Ajimu has 12,858,051,967,633,864 skills then Iihiko has 12,858,051,967,633,865 of them. Whereas that one extra skill is the ability to retardedly overpower those with inferior number of skills than you.

And one more thing. Open Front-Hooded Sweatshirt Senpai!
I'm still waiting for the color page where all the girls are dressed in Kumagawa's latest fetish.
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Old 2012-09-14, 14:36   Link #10516
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Well obviously, if Ajimu has 12,858,051,967,633,864 skills then Iihiko has 12,858,051,967,633,865 of them. Whereas that one extra skill is the ability to retardedly overpower those with inferior number of skills than you.
Ajimu has a skill that automatically makes her more powerful than the opponent she's fighting, so the fight would result in a tie, as would virtually all fights between opponents of that level of power.
This is what's so wrong with the idea of this Iihiko being that much stronger than her.
I'm sorry I appear to be unable to just let this go, but it's just so dumb, and like I said, if it turns out differently than expected next week, I'll be perfectly fine.
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Old 2012-09-14, 14:51   Link #10517
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*After 15 seconds*

-All right, I held him enough to allow you to run as fast as possible. He's all yours now *trollface*
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Old 2012-09-14, 14:52   Link #10518
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Ajimu has a skill that automatically makes her more powerful than the opponent she's fighting, so the fight would result in a tie, as would virtually all fights between opponents of that level of power.
This is what's so wrong with the idea of this Iihiko being that much stronger than her.
I'm sorry I appear to be unable to just let this go, but it's just so dumb, and like I said, if it turns out differently than expected next week, I'll be perfectly fine.
This does seem like a random turn of events, I do believe your complaints are rather valid because honestly with Anshin'in in the story, a lot of things become moot. Like, "Why can't she just solve every problem?" Similar to how the Flash is handled in many mediums. Technically the Flash should be able to pretty much more with his power, but they don't acknowledge that because it then it would make everything else irrelevant. Her status as a Not Equal could explain a couple of things, like her general passiveness and role as an observer, but not being able to take this new guy for at most 15 seconds? Well I'm leaning more towards the "wait and see" camp, because it's clear that this guy is connected to the dark secret the town is hiding, and presumably even what Obi mentioned before, about protecting the world from something.
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Old 2012-09-14, 15:24   Link #10519
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Even if Ajimu is nerfing herself, it still kind of removes the tension knowing that Ajimu could just beat the next guy by the time we even blink. Although this isn't the first time this happened in manga, it still is really annoying and it removes any sort of tension that it would had gotten. It is probably my main gripe with Alucard from
Hellsing, it is not a bad manga but Alucard is basically a vampire Cthulhu that he makes any fight with him trivial. He was even 'defeated' by a guy with quantum powers who erased him from existence and he still came back.

Well, it's probably a case of watching Alucard be awesome. Ajimu being absurdly overpowered allows for some pretty funny moments. The plot will just conspire to keep her from interfering.

It had always been Medaka's manga so it is going to revolve around her...........
I think you discussed this before, but everything in the series seems to have to revolve around her since she's an exaggeration of the main character. Even so, it's not something I'm a fan of, even if I don't hate Medaka.


This might deviate from the topic a bit, but what exactly made Ajimu the villain of the Not Equal arc? Kumagawa ripped off her face and sealed her away, which made him something of an Antihero rather than a sick bastard, but then we find that her motivation was more...boredom? I guess she was manipulative, but was she really supposed to get her face ripped off?
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Old 2012-09-14, 15:31   Link #10520
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And don't Kumagawa and Zenkichi have a fair amount of parallels?
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