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Old 2012-09-14, 11:28   Link #3441
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But the rest of us have double standards. I think the situation can be summed up like this, group X were perfectly fine with characters abusing their power and bullying the weak character (Furuichi) around. But now that the situation is reversed we suddenly have standards, but these standards only apply to one character Furuichi the rest of the cast get a free pass while group Y are like people who simply enjoy the arc and find it hard to believe that people suddenly have moral issues with the manga.
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Old 2012-09-14, 11:55   Link #3442
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I'm thinking for a while but if Furuichi dies at the end of arc due to over-using those hankies then he will go straight to the hell because being creep and stuff as some of you guys who labeled him in this way. After that he will be revived by Demon Lord when he see him in wrecked state and will be granted with some great powers and then he send him straight back to earth to get some revenge or wreak some havoc. That would be somehow interesting development if something like that were to happen, lol. Evil Furuichi bakcs from depth of hell sounds so hilarious.
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Old 2012-09-14, 12:00   Link #3443
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well now furoichi acts cocky but what will he do when he runs out of those tisues... he pissed off everyone who is strong...and they wont let it go that easyly after that...

furoichi deserves punishment becouse he is surrounded by strong people...and he doesnt want to train and become on his own accord... like how satome wanted to train the boys... furoichi hide himself in the bushes.... and all he does is think of girls... and why they dont look on him and treat him like shit.... well he is shit in their eyes... he is weak and doesnt try to become better...

oga wasnt really bad and aoi started to like him on her own becouse he doesnt abuse power and hurt innocent people...and he reather takes the blow for someone then let those people get hurt

like we saw in the story about miki...oga in order to protect miki acted like he doesnt give a damn about him so the guys stopped bulling him since they lived in the same area as those bullies.... the same those guys attacked oga alone from now on..... so oga even throught was strong even without bell acted nice

but look on furuiuchi.... he got power and attacks everyone be it friend (oga) or old friend miki.... even thinks about one thing... "If I act strong and cool... every girl will fall for me instantly".... he thinks only with his other head
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Old 2012-09-14, 12:54   Link #3444
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This rubbing people the wrong way because really, who ever expected the relegated comic relief to do anything, you know? Some other series have gone this route once or twice but those shows were never full of a bunch of delinquents and literal demons. To be quite frank he's gone through this whole series as comic fodder (even though they don't need him to act that way) but now when he's the one kicking ass and taking names people are against it. Stuff like this is a JOY for me to read because you never expect it to happen, ever. It's like if Ataru actually told Lum he loved her, in words in Urusei Yatsura, or if there was an actual physical relationship in Ah! My Goddess!

It's probably why I enjoyed Ranma so much, it kept an actual balance without going down the same route this manga has (which isn't a bad direction, simply a different one). Imagine if the old panty stealing grandpa actually started to kick everyone's ass and it was done well?

I'm loving this arc. I'm actually pretty worried about him now that we know of the side effects but I'll be damnded if the past 3-4 chapters haven't been the most enjoyable since I started reading.
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Old 2012-09-14, 14:32   Link #3445
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After this arc ends Furuichi will face the consequences and may get treated more harsh than before. Everyone in here thinks Furuichi is getting back at them, but in general how often did he get beaten up intentionally by the other characters? Like evil|plushie said, he want to use his power for a pretty selfish thing. Before anyone quote me saying other characters have been doing that, other than the first part of the Manga have the other characters still seek out power to beat up one another to rule. Aoi's pet demon is the one with the harshest treatment in the Manga so far compared to Furuichi.
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Old 2012-09-14, 15:22   Link #3446
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I don't see the consequences of this going on for longer than a chapter... It's Beelzebub not Akira or Berserk. It's probly gonna end with some nutty gag and move on... that's as far as i see it going.
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Old 2012-09-14, 16:37   Link #3447
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After this arc ends Furuichi will face the consequences and may get treated more harsh than before. Everyone in here thinks Furuichi is getting back at them, but in general how often did he get beaten up intentionally by the other characters?
And amusingly enough, he didn't just up and beat up Kanzaki and Himekawa. He treated them... actually, rather better than they treated him. It's not his fault they decided to escalate to violence. What it boils down to is this: he's living by the same rules they do: "might makes right" and "'just because' is a perfectly good reason to fight". Heck, he's living by better, fairer rules than that. Sure, from a practical point of view, he'll pay for it later. From a moral one, he's been a lot nicer with his power than a lot of the cast, especially they guys he's used said power on.
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Old 2012-09-14, 18:00   Link #3448
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It's probably why I enjoyed Ranma so much, it kept an actual balance without going down the same route this manga has (which isn't a bad direction, simply a different one). Imagine if the old panty stealing grandpa actually started to kick everyone's ass and it was done well?
What are you talking about? Happosai was one of the TOP tier chars in the manga. There was very little anyone could actually do about him. It's really more like the battle dogi arc where Akane got a dogi that basically fought for her and then she used that to fight.

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No, it does not make it right. It does not make it wrong either. It makes it equal. Eye for an eye. That's all Furuichi did. Abuse of power is Kanzaki telling his own subordinate to throw himself out of the window. From your past posts, I understood that you consider past Kanzaki and current Furuichi in the same category. Given your reply, I might be wrong about that. Which is it?
And eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind -_-. And yeah, I consider Furuichi about the same as the past antagonists. After all, he's the antagonist for this arc isn't he.

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And amusingly enough, he didn't just up and beat up Kanzaki and Himekawa. He treated them... actually, rather better than they treated him. It's not his fault they decided to escalate to violence. What it boils down to is this: he's living by the same rules they do: "might makes right" and "'just because' is a perfectly good reason to fight". Heck, he's living by better, fairer rules than that. Sure, from a practical point of view, he'll pay for it later. From a moral one, he's been a lot nicer with his power than a lot of the cast, especially they guys he's used said power on.
Most of whom have been past antagonists AS well.
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Old 2012-09-14, 18:47   Link #3449
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I am pretty damn sure, Beelzebub is not preaching any moral lessons

Oga is a school thug. He is not a paragon of morality, nor does he care for it.

Remember that he dunked a police officer into a trashcan just because the officer was implying something rude?

He's not a role model. He doesn't want to be a role model.
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Old 2012-09-14, 20:08   Link #3450
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I am pretty damn sure, Beelzebub is not preaching any moral lessons

Oga is a school thug. He is not a paragon of morality, nor does he care for it.

Remember that he dunked a police officer into a trashcan just because the officer was implying something rude?

He's not a role model. He doesn't want to be a role model.
Oga is a school thug, but he is actually one who have value. The people he beat if they are worth in strength, he doesn't rub it in their face after he won. Oga does not seek out to fight people, he wasn't seeking a fight with the 6 horseman and the Demons, they made the first move by attacking first. As for the police officer, I say he deserved it and he wasn't implying his intentions were clear.
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Old 2012-09-14, 21:24   Link #3451
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That's not what I was aiming for, so I apologize.

Let me clarify.

If Furuichi suffers an unfair fate, and his live turns even more miserable, it would only be so because it's played for gags.

The author is not making a moral statement like "strength makes right. you should be like Oga" ect..
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Old 2012-09-15, 02:54   Link #3452
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I think he's the antagonist because the person he's hurting is Furuichi. Everyone he beat up is a big boy and can deal with that kind of thing but he doesn't know he's hurting himself so he's the antagonist and the DID at the same time. Well Oga probly just wants something to wipe his but with either way....
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Old 2012-09-15, 03:53   Link #3453
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As for the police officer, I say he deserved it and he wasn't implying his intentions were clear.
Oga beating up a police officer who's being rude to him is fair. Furuchi beating up people who have treat him like trash is unfair, abuse of power and he needs to apply higher moral standards.

Honestly ReaperxKingx aren't you and evil|plushie getting tired of your own double standards? It's getting absurd now.
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Old 2012-09-15, 07:34   Link #3454
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Most of whom have been past antagonists AS well.
You say that like they've changed and now deserve better treatment. They haven't, and they don't. They just acknowledged Oga's superior strength.

They're still violent thugs, and as such will sometime get bad, painful surprises with the strength of their opponents. They've been surprised with Oga before, and now they've been surprised by Furuichi. That's life. If they didn't want to risk getting their asses kicked, they shouldn't have called him out.

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Oga is a school thug, but he is actually one who have value. The people he beat if they are worth in strength, he doesn't rub it in their face after he won.
Reread the first three pages of the first chapter...
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Old 2012-09-15, 07:37   Link #3455
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I stay by my argument, unlike the police officer was going to do what he intended without any objections. Furuichi treated like trash is an over statement, other than the name calling the characters haven't made it a daily to beat him up (well expect Hilda, but she is Hilda). Furuichi may have not insulted the other characters, but aggravating what makes each character tick to fight him is an another story.

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Reread the first three pages of the first chapter...
Reread my post carefully.
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Old 2012-09-15, 08:04   Link #3456
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And that's what I consider unfair. He has no evil plans of taking over the school or god knows what else. He just beat up a few guys, he never did anything as bad as any previous antagonist (maybe except Kuguyama, cuz she was not much of an antagonist either). You're being way too harsh on him, that's what I'm trying to make you see.
No, I'm not.

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You say that like they've changed and now deserve better treatment. They haven't, and they don't. They just acknowledged Oga's superior strength.
I've never said that.

Okay, let's get something straight here. I don't like Kanzaki or Himekawa. They BARELY even register on my character awareness scale. For those of you arguing that they're horrible people, that's not the frigging point. The point is that frankly, at this rate, Furuichi isn't showing himself to be much of a better person.
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Old 2012-09-15, 08:08   Link #3457
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No, he doesn't. Did you expect him to?

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Reread my post carefully.
I did. It looks just as unfounded on second or third read.
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Old 2012-09-15, 08:15   Link #3458
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No, he doesn't. Did you expect him to?


I did. It looks just as unfounded on second or third read.
*Sigh* I said worthy of strength, not bounty hunter types thugs who want to make a name of themselves. People like Demons, 6 Horseman, Aiba, and Toujo are who I am referring to my friend. Care to reread my post again.
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Old 2012-09-15, 09:05   Link #3459
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The situation for Furuichi is being too serious right now. We need a comical end to this
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Old 2012-09-15, 09:13   Link #3460
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*Sigh* I said worthy of strength, not bounty hunter types thugs who want to make a name of themselves. People like Demons, 6 Horseman, Aiba, and Toujo are who I am referring to my friend. Care to reread my post again.
Ah, right. I parsed it as "he beats them if they're worth it, and when he wins he doesn't rub it in".

... So he treats weak people like shit, but we're supposed to admire him because he has some manners with the strong ones? Heck, how does that even compare with Furuichi?
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