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View Poll Results: Sword Art Online - Episode 11 Rating
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... 45 34.62%
9 out of 10 : Excellent... 37 28.46%
8 out of 10 : Very Good... 27 20.77%
7 out of 10 : Good... 7 5.38%
6 out of 10 : Average... 8 6.15%
5 out of 10 : Below Average... 1 0.77%
4 out of 10 : Poor... 1 0.77%
3 out of 10 : Bad... 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... 0 0%
1 out of 10: Torturous... 4 3.08%
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Old 2012-09-16, 08:50   Link #161
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They stick to the lower levels, though.
....and just wait for a hero to finish the game... Life is good...
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Old 2012-09-16, 08:52   Link #162
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Just to clarify, most MMO's have some kind of upkeep to support prolonged adventuring. In most games, it's gear maintenance. Consumables are a close second after that. Considering the fact that the army does not seem to have any players who truly understand the game, gear maintenance and consumable costs should be running high.
SAO seems to use food and nightly room fees (or extremely expensive houses) as the standard upkeep fees. The Army / Liberation Front very well could have a guild house somewhere, and if we assume they're running the prison they'd pretty much need a fairly massive facility somewhere.

Also, the standard army solider armor has to cost something, so the simple fact that they can afford to churn out so many sets of it suggests a lot.
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Old 2012-09-16, 08:52   Link #163
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It's a 'town' of 2,000 people, 30% of the total population. We don't know how much a 'room' in the starter town costs, but you probably can't afford a permanent roof over your head without doing something for money. Maybe the tax is used to pay for rooms for all those people to sleep in? We really don't know.

There's a possibility that the tax is also used to pay for the Army's equipments considering that they all have the same looks. But even so, isn't it better to use those money to buy equipments for the normal people? Those who would certainly be killed if they ventured outside the Starting town like those kids. Then those people can go outside, do something and bring back money. That would be more beneficial for both sides.
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Old 2012-09-16, 08:55   Link #164
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Then those people can go outside, do something and bring back money. That would be more beneficial for both sides.
It's possible they actually did all that in the beginning, but after two years anyone left in the starter town probably isn't very well regarded, even by their own 'protectors'. Assuming we take that notion as the origins of the army / liberation front. Since the kids had arms / armor, it's likely that's exactly what they were doing... and apparently the protection racket crowd caught them in the act.
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Old 2012-09-16, 08:55   Link #165
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But I think that this episode really stretches things there.

For me, it's not so much that this army is extorting people for money (the fact they call it "taxes" though is telling to me - It really does make me think of a classic Fantasy story of a Robin Hood-esque hero protecting average townsfolk from harsh medieval tax collectors, and I think that's intentional on the writer's part).

No, for me it's... what the hell are all these three pre-teen kids (that's what they looked like to me) doing in a VR MMO anyway?!

Three pre-teen kids and their Sensei. And they're clearly not just NPCs, or there'd be no point in the army trying to extort them.


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Seriously stuff like this happens even with our current life not on the line non-pvp games. It is called griefing, let me give you an example.

Shin Megami Tensei Imagine is a non PvP game unless you enter an arena, but if you are powerful enough, or have a few buds who are stronger then the people you are griefing then you can lock people out of some nice content. There was a recent event where the event only monsters gave really really good exp, and being in a party does not lower your exp (actually most of us have exp boost items for parties). So certain players would camp the spawn spots and one-shot the mobs and not add anyone to their party. They would drive people away with no noticeable benefit to themselves.

Their behaviour isn't to do with being in a MMO or virtual world, it is to do with being human and humans always have a bunch of ijits which love to ruin other people's lives for {insert deity of choice} knows why.

Asuna and Kirito already spoke how kids can play with a guardian. Not such a stretch that a school club got a chance to do some virtual MMO and supervisor was nice enough to go with them.
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:00   Link #166
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It's possible they actually did all that in the beginning, but after two years anyone left in the starter town probably isn't very well regarded, even by their own 'protectors'. Assuming we take that notion as the origins of the army / liberation front. Since the kids had arms / armor, it's likely that's exactly what they were doing... and apparently the protection racket crowd caught them in the act.
Oh yeah, when I think about it, maybe that's how they got such huge number.
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:10   Link #167
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The tax is used to pay for the Army's equipments, rations, etc. But for the soldiers Kirito and Asuna met, that is just plain bully.

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Also, people who think you can't get hurt just because you're in a safe zone is wrong. You have seen firsthand - not as severe as actually described in the novel - how Asuna beat the crap out of the soldier without consequences. All it does a 'mild knockback effect' when you sword skill someone to the face. Now imagine that happen for a prolonged amount of time, let's say five minutes straight, where you just bounce all around the place as the torturer repeatedly beats you with sword skills. Even if you don't feel pain, just the dizziness is enough to scare a person's pants off.

And what Asuna did was just an example how you can abuse the absolute safety within the Safe Zone. There are plenty of ways - each and everyone of them far more painful than being beaten physically - to toy with a person's heart without putting a scratch onto someone.
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:18   Link #168
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Two days and nine pages later...

SAO is back to "in this episode almost nothing happens" pacing. I mean, it ended and i didn't even notice (that could be considered a good thing because it means that i was sucked into the story, but, i really just ends)

As i wrote before, after the honeymoon, the baby. What i don't get is, why if in the last ep they got really intimate, now Asuna is back to "don't look" and "i'm embarrased to embrace you in my sexy lingerie". It doesn't ring true. Unless last ep. nothing happened. Or the studio wants us to believe that nothing happened. Yeah, SURE.

Finally, i think Kirito has a lot more money than Asuna, because she spends a lot in dresses. I mean, Kirito has 2 outfits, and asuna seems to have a lot. I'm sure it costs. Girl must learn how to save.

In all, episode was good, but tooooo short. Extremely short.
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:22   Link #169
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Two days and nine pages later...

SAO is back to "in this episode almost nothing happens" pacing.....
They had cyber sex last episode and ended up with a kid this one
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:25   Link #170
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They had cyber sex last episode and ended up with a kid this one
And there goes all the "cybersex" is safe. Be careful, you can get "cyberpregnant".
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:41   Link #171
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As i wrote before, after the honeymoon, the baby. What i don't get is, why if in the last ep they got really intimate, now Asuna is back to "don't look" and "i'm embarrased to embrace you in my sexy lingerie". It doesn't ring true. Unless last ep. nothing happened. Or the studio wants us to believe that nothing happened. Yeah, SURE.
I think it has to do with a young girl's embarrassment mentality. Like in the previous episode, she is more embarrassed if she is the only one undressed. Also, daytime tends to be more embarrassing, especially if someone is staring at you. Showing too much affection can be embarrassing as well, if she shows more than him. I think these are all normal reactions for inexperienced or little experience girls.
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:41   Link #172
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Just to clarify, most MMO's have some kind of upkeep to support prolonged adventuring. In most games, it's gear maintenance. Consumables are a close second after that. Considering the fact that the army does not seem to have any players who truly understand the game, gear maintenance and consumable costs should be running high.
They stick to the lower levels, though. For the most part, they don't need high level stuff. Scilica's hand me downs would be more than enough.
I... don't quite understand what you are trying to say. I never said anything about high level stuff or hand me downs. I'm sorry, can you explain?
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Old 2012-09-16, 09:49   Link #173
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In addition to what Craxuan was saying,

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Old 2012-09-16, 10:10   Link #174
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And there goes all the "cybersex" is safe. Be careful, you can get "cyberpregnant".
Kayaba is obviously concerned about overpopulation and wants to teach players about the importance of safe sex. Just one of the many educational modules incorporated into SAO.
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....and just wait for a hero to finish the game... Life is good...
Personally I'd probably do this. Staying as a Mid-tier player or just soak in the world while fishing. Seriously, how rare is it to do such things in today's hectic world.
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Personally I'd probably do this. Staying as a Mid-tier player or just soak in the world while fishing. Seriously, how rare is it to do such things in today's hectic world.
Classic freeloader problem. Everyone starts feeling this way, and everyone stops grinding and waits for the top few players to clear the game.

Wouldn't be surprised if there was some stupid twist at the end to combat the freeloader problem --> i.e. because too many people are not trying hard enough, there's not enough high-level people at the end to beat the game, and as a result, the top players have to wait for the low-players to grind through the game to the top level. Durrrrrrrrp, get pwnt!

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So what happens if there's a glitch where a boss on say level 82 = does not get hurt so is immortal? Which devs go in to fix this glitch? lawl
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Classic freeloader problem. Everyone starts feeling this way, and everyone stops grinding and waits for the top few players to clear the game.

Wouldn't be surprised if there was some stupid twist at the end to combat the freeloader problem --> i.e. because too many people are not trying hard enough, there's not enough high-level people at the end to beat the game, and as a result, the top players have to wait for the low-players to grind through the game to the top level. Durrrrrrrrp, get pwnt!
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Classic freeloader problem. Everyone starts feeling this way, and everyone stops grinding and waits for the top few players to clear the game.
Ah yes. The ever present bane of public goods. But sadly as was shown a few eps ago its become a problem. But alas not everyone has the guts to lay their life on the line, even then the game economy needs to hum also. This kinda ties in to the discussion about The Army. Even though they might be despotic and such they still provide services to the other players by running the jails as someone mentioned a few posts back. So there hasn't been that much pressure on them I'd think to reform.
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Old 2012-09-16, 12:35   Link #180
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I... don't quite understand what you are trying to say. I never said anything about high level stuff or hand me downs. I'm sorry, can you explain?
I mean they don't have a lot of expenses. Their gear can be so low-leveled that Scilica - the weakest named character - would consider it trash. They're basically the only ones who need that tier of equipment, so the prices have to be pretty low. They also have an exclusivity on low level farm spots, so resources really shouldn't be much of a problem for them.

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