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Old 2012-09-18, 12:09   Link #23761
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And I'm not trusting their safety.
Maybe safety is not too much a concern anymore (well it might still be somewhat sub standard, but not as much as it was a few years ago).

Anyway the chinese market usually demands products that have to adhere to the following criteria (based on market studies):

*Inexpensiveness
*Good performance (aka how much product you get for your money - that includes state of the art technology)
*Huge amounts (you need enough production capability)
*Build in China (not necessarily designed/developed there)

This comes at the expense of:

*Durability
*Environment
*Energy consumption (and other secondary costs)

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I wouldn't trust them on US road. There's too much dead on the US road already.
In my oppinion its just too easy to get a driving license in the US. And if you loose it, its not really a loss (its extremely cheap to redo). Besides, most streets in the US are made to unlearn driving, its just too easy, comfy and generally boring that it drains considerably on the attention span.
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Old 2012-09-18, 12:11   Link #23762
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Inside the barrel, I am suspect the 500kg will start off as a projectile instead of a vehicle first.
I believe that was the mass to energy requirement needed to get the thing to work (better than something the mass to energy of Jupiter).

Though they are talking speeds of 10 times light. So Warp 2.15, basically, using the old Star Trek scale of the Warp Factor cubed. So a little over 22 weeks to Alpha Centari. (157 days)
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Old 2012-09-18, 13:31   Link #23763
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I believe that was the mass to energy requirement needed to get the thing to work (better than something the mass to energy of Jupiter).

Though they are talking speeds of 10 times light. So Warp 2.15, basically, using the old Star Trek scale of the Warp Factor cubed. So a little over 22 weeks to Alpha Centari. (157 days)
That's still pretty damned good! Anything less than a year to the next solar system is good in my book.
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Old 2012-09-18, 13:44   Link #23764
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A bit of history fact uncovered that may twist a few knickers of literalists. However, I just think it is another indicator (there are hundreds from the oldest texts as we find them) that the Council of Nicea (among others) essentially and substantially re-purposed what we call Christianity to suit the needs of the Empire. We'll watch to see if his interpretation holds up under peer review.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/us...esus-wife.html
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Old 2012-09-18, 13:52   Link #23765
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I found this part to be funny:

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The notion that Jesus had a wife was the central conceit of the best seller and movie “The Da Vinci Code.” But Dr. King said she wants nothing to do with the Code or its author: “At least, don’t say this proves Dan Brown was right.”
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Old 2012-09-18, 14:24   Link #23766
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I found this part to be funny:
Yes, it was. She's trying to emphasize that this is an interesting bit of evidence that needs further research - good scientist talk, not fiction

I find the Dead Sea Scroll work, the gnostic books, and work like this (pre-council of Nicea) fascinating because it shows a much more interesting.... even pleasant possibility of what might have been.
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Old 2012-09-18, 14:58   Link #23767
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Personally, I found the story of how this papyrus was discovered a bit fishy.
In any case, no serious analysis have been made on it (particularly on the ink used to write the text), so it's not possible to really determine if its a genuine 2nd century papyrus at the moment.
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Old 2012-09-18, 14:58   Link #23768
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I find the Dead Sea Scroll work, the gnostic books, and work like this (pre-council of Nicea) fascinating because it shows a much more interesting.... even pleasant possibility of what might have been.
I was surprised to discover that the FRONTLINE program, From Jesus to Christ, is now fourteen years old. It's an intriguing documentary on the early Christians based on the archeological and historical information available at the time.
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Old 2012-09-18, 16:22   Link #23769
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NATO halts work with Afghan allies to stem insider attacks
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88H0BL20120918
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Old 2012-09-18, 18:32   Link #23770
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A bit of history fact uncovered that may twist a few knickers of literalists. However, I just think it is another indicator (there are hundreds from the oldest texts as we find them) that the Council of Nicea (among others) essentially and substantially re-purposed what we call Christianity to suit the needs of the Empire. We'll watch to see if his interpretation holds up under peer review.
I think that's been the general opinion among scholars for quite a while now. It's been known for a long time that a lot of gospels were excluded by the Council of Nicaea. Furthermore, several prominent sects became heresies, for instance the Arians, who did not believe in the trinity, and believed the holy spirit was subservient to the son, who was subservient to God the father. The son was divine, but not god. God is only one person, not three persons.

Personally, I think that makes more sense then the Trinity but...
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Old 2012-09-18, 19:59   Link #23771
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Insight: In Africa's warm heart, a cold welcome for Chinese
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...88H0CR20120918
After all these years, Chinese merchants are STILL being disliked by the local populace for being successful.

Some things never change..

::sigh::
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Old 2012-09-18, 20:07   Link #23772
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Though they are talking speeds of 10 times light. So Warp 2.15, basically, using the old Star Trek scale of the Warp Factor cubed. So a little over 22 weeks to Alpha Centari. (157 days)
With that amount of power, I think the Earth would be destroy right after the launch just because of the enormous power it emitted.
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Old 2012-09-18, 20:51   Link #23773
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I think that's been the general opinion among scholars for quite a while now. It's been known for a long time that a lot of gospels were excluded by the Council of Nicaea. Furthermore, several prominent sects became heresies, for instance the Arians, who did not believe in the trinity, and believed the holy spirit was subservient to the son, who was subservient to God the father. The son was divine, but not god. God is only one person, not three persons.

Personally, I think that makes more sense then the Trinity but...
If only the average believer in the US had the remotest clue of what you're talking about....
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Old 2012-09-18, 22:42   Link #23774
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With that amount of power, I think the Earth would be destroy right after the launch just because of the enormous power it emitted.
If you have the level of technology necessary to break the light barrier, then
destroying a planet isn't that difficult.

Maybe that's why we haven't been visited by aliens yet (unless you believe the
UFO conspiracy theorists). They all blew themselves away before they could meet
us.

So, what will happen here when our tech gets so advanced that any nutcase who's
sufficiently pissed-off can build his/her own doomsday device?
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Old 2012-09-19, 01:25   Link #23775
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A bit of history fact uncovered that may twist a few knickers of literalists. However, I just think it is another indicator (there are hundreds from the oldest texts as we find them) that the Council of Nicea (among others) essentially and substantially re-purposed what we call Christianity to suit the needs of the Empire. We'll watch to see if his interpretation holds up under peer review.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/us...esus-wife.html
It's an interesting find, but couldn't it simply be that the "wife" Jesus was referring to here was the church? It is referred to as his bride or wife in other NT books after all.

Regardless, it's not like the possibility of there being an early Christian tradition where Jesus had a relationship with Mary hasn't already been raised by study of the gospels of Philip, Mary, etc, right? Even if it is a stretch in those cases. Well, it wouldn't surprise me if there were such early traditions anyway. Considering how many diverse sects Second Temple Judaism saw, why wouldn't it be the case that there were numerous groups of early Christians with wildly different schools of thought on different matters? That certainly seems a given in fact, considering what we know of the Arians and other "heretics," as mentioned above.
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Old 2012-09-19, 01:30   Link #23776
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It's an interesting find, but couldn't it simply be that the "wife" Jesus was referring to here was the church? It is referred to as his bride or wife in other NT books after all.

Regardless, it's not like the possibility of there being an early Christian tradition where Jesus having a relationship with Mary hasn't already been raised by the gospels of Philip, Mary, etc, right? Even if it is a stretch in those cases. Well it wouldn't surprise me if there were such early traditions. Considering how many diverse sects Second Temple Judaism saw, why wouldn't it be the case that there were numerous groups of early Christians with wildly different schools of thought on different matters?
Dunno, I'd have to know 4th Century Coptic to be able to converse intelligently. For example, does that kind of metaphor even make sense for the word used in that language?

The only point I'm making is that people who think the KJV or even the results of the Council of Nicea (much less the Imperial Roman Church or the thousands of offshoots) might be better served with a better understanding of the roots of what they're labeling themselves as, rather than clinging to a soundbite of a misquote of a political agenda of another soundbite from several translations of third hand oral stories.
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Old 2012-09-19, 02:12   Link #23777
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What the hell? Of all the bones, they injected it, in the spine??? Not only that they performed an experiment without a consent and knowledge of the family.. they tried an untested "product"!!! How dumb are they??? Hope they be tried as criminals!!!
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Old 2012-09-19, 04:59   Link #23779
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Oh no, get ready for more carnage as another cartoon of the Prophet Mohammed is printed in France....

I'm all for freedom of speech, but what an idiot!

http://news.sky.com/story/986820/fra...-cartoon-fears
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Old 2012-09-19, 05:06   Link #23780
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The question I am asking myself is; would more case such as this bone cement happen if we didn't regulate as we do?

Am I kidding myself, of course it would be worse.
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