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Old 2012-09-19, 11:08   Link #461
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Old 2012-09-19, 17:50   Link #462
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oh, 'cause they don't anymore? Oh, I'm really sorry I didn't know things that last happened this season and the past spring season count as "way back when" ...
So please explain yourself better, I'm interested. What kind of timeslot correspond better to this kind of series ... and what so you mean by this "kind of series" anyway.
Compare noitamina around 2005-2010 to noitamina today... You'll see what I mean.
As for the timeslot, well, it's kinda hard... series like this doesn't really do well...
Just like what happened Blassreiter(also by gen), if I'm not mistaken... did not do quite well...
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Old 2012-09-19, 18:08   Link #463
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Compare noitamina around 2005-2010 to noitamina today... You'll see what I mean.
As for the timeslot, well, it's kinda hard... series like this doesn't really do well...
Just like what happened Blassreiter(also by gen), if I'm not mistaken... did not do quite well...
Kids on the slope,Moyashimon returns,Natsuyuki Rendezvous and Tsuritama,those are the last 4 shows on noitamina and I'd say they'd fit in,hell one of them is a sequel to one of those 2005-2010 shows.

Gen disowned Blassreiter saying that while he was credited as screenwriter the director did what he wanted and didn't listen to gen.
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Old 2012-09-19, 18:09   Link #464
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Kids on the slope,Moyashimon returns,Natsuyuki Rendezvous and Tsuritama,those are the last 4 shows on noitamina and I'd say they'd fit in,hell one of them is a sequel to one of those 2005-2010 shows.
Aren't all of those flops? Poor ratings, poor sales.
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Old 2012-09-19, 18:12   Link #465
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Aren't all of those flops? Poor ratings, poor sales.
kobester11 was saying noitamina wasn't trying to target older audiences anymore,just pointing out there's two josei adaptations and a seinen one.
So I wasn't commenting on the success.
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Old 2012-09-19, 18:17   Link #466
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kobester11 was saying noitamina wasn't trying to target older audiences anymore,just pointing out there's two josei adaptations and a seinen one.
So I wasn't commenting on the success.
Ah, that makes sense. But to add to that noitaminA has never been about specifically targeting an "older" audience, so much as targeting a "broader" audience (which includes female audiences, older audiences, more mainstream audiences, people who don't usually watch anime, etc). Even in 2011 there were shows like Wandering Son and Bunny Drop.
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Old 2012-09-19, 19:46   Link #467
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Gen disowned Blassreiter saying that while he was credited as screenwriter the director did what he wanted and didn't listen to gen.
He didn't go quite that far

The gist of it is that Blassreiter was Ichiro Itano's baby, so he controlled the vision and recruited Urobuchi to help prepare the script. Gen's role was that of an assistant, although the project taught him a lot about how anime scripts are made (he cites Itano as a mentor, so their relationship doesn't seem to be hostile).

Madoka was almost the opposite since Shinbo provided minimal guidelines and allowed Urobuchi to write the story he wanted (this time, Gen held the vision and the others brought it to life). Phantom was somewhere in between - the writers adapted the original story quite faithfully but made changes that Mashimo requested.

This demonstrates why the "director vs screenwriter" debate (as seen in other threads) is pointless. Script development is a collaborative process, and in terms of influence, the balance differs from project to project.
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Old 2012-09-19, 19:51   Link #468
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I imagine with successes like Madoka & Fate Zero, Gen will have more control over his series.

Also with Psycho Pass running 2 cours & Gen supposedly having another series in the works for the winter, he will have 2 shows running at the same time in the winter.
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Old 2012-09-19, 19:59   Link #469
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he cites Itano as a mentor, so their relationship doesn't seem to be hostile).
The translation I have says "(at the time of) Brassreiter I was just like a secretary summing up what Itano-san spurted out and talked about." which sounds pretty hostile to me but maybe that's just the translation making it sound that way.

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Script development is a collaborative process, and in terms of influence, the balance differs from project to project.
Hell,going by what was poster earlier in the thread even the chara designer can influence things!

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Some of the details and ideas evolved along with Amano's designs however. It seems that both the Dominator gun and the wrist bracelet computer they use to calculate Psycho-Pass measurements are things which developed from Amano's preference for gadget designs.
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Old 2012-09-20, 00:17   Link #470
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This kinda worries me, the females are unattractive and it's full of bishies...
Plus Production IG has been falling lately, even if Gen is here to the rescue.

Noitamina is not the perfect timeslot for this kind of series, so as Robotic;Notes...
Plus, two-cours is also not good for them, Remember what happened with G;C(PROD. IG ALSO) and shiki...

Still, I salute them for experimenting...
hey, shiki is great
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Old 2012-09-20, 00:46   Link #471
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This demonstrates why the "director vs screenwriter" debate (as seen in other threads) is pointless. Script development is a collaborative process, and in terms of influence, the balance differs from project to project.
That's good to know

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Aren't all of those flops? Poor ratings, poor sales.
heh? I seriously thought Tsuritama and Kids on the slope had better than average rating ^^"
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Old 2012-09-20, 00:53   Link #472
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heh? I seriously thought Tsuritama and Kids on the slope had better than average rating ^^"
noitaminA ratings have been in the shitter ever since they switched to an hour long block. They're really going all out to try and recover the audience with something like Psycho-Pass as a leading show, hoping that the people who tune in for a new Motohiro show will also stick around to watch Robotics;Notes.
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Old 2012-09-20, 01:00   Link #473
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^ oh, I see, thanks for the explanation ... and actually it makes more sense since both are supposed to be 2-cour.
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Old 2012-09-20, 01:01   Link #474
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Aren't all of those flops? Poor ratings, poor sales.
Tsuritama wasn't a flop - it averaged about 4500 BD/DVD, which is very solid considering the type of show it is.
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Old 2012-09-20, 05:53   Link #475
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Tsuritama wasn't a flop - it averaged about 4500 BD/DVD, which is very solid considering the type of show it is.
I'm sorry if you think that is "very solid" but, but it really isn't. Just because sales in general for anime are shit doesn't mean that is good. Shows still cost money to produce, and they are generally sold for the same price. There is no way that selling 4.5k is considered "very solid" in the business sense.

Anime on average costs 200k or so to produce per episode. After deducting all manufacturing costs and factoring in the cost price sold to retailers, 4.5k in sales makes less than 300k in returns per volume of 2 episodes. With poor ratings, it means that noitaminA doesn't really pull in huge advertising dollars for FujiTV either. It's not a show with a ton of great selling merchandising either.

It's easy to say "oh but the show is kinda niche, so it's nice that it sold even 4.5k!" but that's a poor perspective to hold when it comes to business. In terms of actual production and profits, the show is not a success. It's not as big of a flop as Kids on the Slope, but it's still not particularly success. At best, after selling rights to other parts of the world, it might have made its money back, but it's not a profitable investment.
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I'm sorry if you think that is "very solid" but, but it really isn't. Just because sales in general for anime are shit doesn't mean that is good. Shows still cost money to produce, and they are generally sold for the same price. There is no way that selling 4.5k is considered "very solid" in the business sense.
But if it's not solid then why do shows that have 4.5K sales get sequels?Now I know sometimes that can be tied to other stuff like manga and merchandise but take something like Tamayura it sold around 4.5K and a sequel got greenlit,it's an anime original so there's no manga or LN sales,it's late night anime so it doesn't get ratings.So with what you're saying,they'd have no reason to greenlit a second season,yet they did.
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Old 2012-09-20, 06:38   Link #477
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I don't know how you get those numbers
I agree that anime business these days is not very profitable in business perspective. But, If we compare Tsuritama sales to the sales of some recent noitaminA shows, It did a good job. Personally I think Tsuritama is great. the ratings definitely are not great but not poor either
And I think you can't just omit the niche factor from Tsuritama sales. Think! If a certain anime is watched by more people or catch more people attention, at least that show will get better potential that more people will buy the BD/DVD. Even If an anime is really good, but only a small portion of people interested in it, that anime will certainly fail in term of the sales level.
Let's see if Psycho-Pass can take the glory of noitaminA back
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Old 2012-09-20, 06:45   Link #478
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But if it's not solid then why do shows that have 4.5K sales get sequels?Now I know sometimes that can be tied to other stuff like manga and merchandise but take something like Tamayura it sold around 4.5K and a sequel got greenlit,it's an anime original so there's no manga or LN sales,it's late night anime so it doesn't get ratings.So with what you're saying,they'd have no reason to greenlit a second season,yet they did.
Just because something gets a sequel doesn't mean the sales were solid. Obviously I can't speak for every single show, and most of the time we don't know why a sequel gets made exactly. This is still a creative industry, so things are not always made to make the most amount of money possible. If it is someone's pet project, they could be getting funding from sponsors as long as they make the money back, even if it's not a commercial hit.

By saying sales are very solid, that gives the idea that it is making a lot of money, when the reality is that it really isn't. Maybe flop was a strong word, but it definitely isn't any sort of success to shout about, which is why noitaminA has been trying to make more otaku-fodder shows in the last two years, to try and offset the lack of commercial success for the more artistic projects.

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I agree that anime business these days is not very profitable in business perspective. But, If we compare Tsuritama sales to the sales of some recent noitaminA shows, It did a good job. Personally I think Tsuritama is great. the ratings definitely are not great but not poor either
It definitely sold better than some recent noitaminA show, but business isn't a competition with yourself though. Just because one thing is more successful than bigger failures, it does not mean that is a success. Financial success is determined by how much money you put into something and how much money you get out of it. If you invest say 2 million into making a 12 episode show, and in the end you get back just barely more than that, it can't be considered a solid success because you could have invested that 2 million into something else has higher return on investment.

Tsuritama is one of my favorite shows this year, but I have no illusions about how "successful" it actually is.
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Old 2012-09-20, 07:26   Link #479
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What so hard to understand Duckroll's point?

noitaminA don't need show with moderate success, its very clear they're desperate for mega hit.. everything else not count for them after couple years of great decline in rating. they're in danger.
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Old 2012-09-20, 08:02   Link #480
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It's always puzzled me why, if noitaminA has been struggling in ratings ever since the switch to an hour timeslot, Fuji didn't try switching it back to a half-hour.
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