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View Poll Results: Sword Art Online - Episode 12 Rating
10 out of 10 : Near Perfect.... 44 29.93%
9 out of 10 : Excellent... 31 21.09%
8 out of 10 : Very Good... 29 19.73%
7 out of 10 : Good... 20 13.61%
6 out of 10 : Average... 12 8.16%
5 out of 10 : Below Average... 3 2.04%
4 out of 10 : Poor... 3 2.04%
3 out of 10 : Bad... 3 2.04%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad... 1 0.68%
1 out of 10 : Torturous... 1 0.68%
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Old 2012-09-23, 05:28   Link #141
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Programmer? Hacker? No. Kirito is Jesus.

Like Thrall.
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Old 2012-09-23, 05:56   Link #142
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Fuck the haters, this was the best episode of the series so far.
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Old 2012-09-23, 05:59   Link #143
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As a programmer, I feel the need to point out a few things.

* "Whatever programming language was used to make this game" is completely irrelevant. In order for a computer to do anything with a program, it needs to be compiled into machine code to make the application. Not to mention the fact that Kirito wasn't actually altering the game's "code" in any way.

* One of the few ways to alter things in a game at runtime is if the game is pre-equipped with some kind of console that can alter the game's resources rather than the game itself. It's not that much a stretch to assume that this "GM access console" is exactly such a console.

* Such a console would work either:
1) Through a menu, in which case, to someone familiar with computers such as Kirito, it really wouldn't be that to figure out which menu item does what and figure out how to snatch up Yui's data and store it into an in-game item.
2) Through a command line interface, in which case it's slightly more problematic as you need to know which commands do what. However, modern command consoles almost always respond to the "help" command with a list of possible commands. Familiarity with Query Languages is the thing that helps in this case. And seeing how query languages are even more similar to one another than programming languages are, it really is not that hard to figure out.


To make all this possible in such a short amount of time merely by randomly mashing the keyboard, that's Hollywood Hacking.

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Old 2012-09-23, 06:07   Link #144
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As a programmer, I feel the need to point out a few things.

* "Whatever programming language was used to make this game" is completely irrelevant. In order for a computer to do anything with a program, it needs to be compiled into machine code to make the application. Not to mention the fact that Kirito wasn't actually altering the game's "code" in any way.

* One of the few ways to alter things in a game at runtime is if the game is pre-equipped with some kind of console that can alter the game's resources rather than the game itself. It's not that much a stretch to assume that this "GM access console" is exactly such a console.

* Such a console would work either:
1) Through a menu, in which case, to someone familiar with computers such as Kirito, it really wouldn't be that to figure out which menu item does what and figure out how to snatch up Yui's data and store it into an in-game item.
2) Through a command line interface, in which case it's slightly more problematic as you need to know which commands do what. However, modern command consoles almost always respond to the "help" command with a list of possible commands. Familiarity with Query Languages is the thing that helps in this case. And seeing how query languages are even more similar to one another than programming languages are, it really is not that hard to figure out.


To make all this possible in such a short out of time merely by randomly mashing the keyboard, that's Hollywood Hacking.
As a fellow progammer, this ^
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:11   Link #145
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This is the first SAO that i gave a 10. Because it was perfect. It had fighting (and more dual wielding) it had romance, it had story development. It also had Kirito rage screaming "KAYABA!!!". That was nice. Very nice.

I think the fact that yui was "erased" was useful. I mean, it would upset the balance of the game a lot to have a Yui Ex Machina, isn't it?

But i wonder, why does a level 1 town have a level INF dungeon and also a seemingly DM Monster (Infinite damage infinite hit points) in it. I can guess that maybe it was a kind of "testing" area for programmers of the game (or Kayaba).

I think the overall Kirito- Asuna dynamic is progressing well, they seem so coordinated. Like when Yuriel asked them to help Asuna was "hey, fact check" and Kirito was "let's kick ass and worry later". It shows to very opposite world views that work good togheter.

When Asuna decided to help Kirito (that weird "tri-wielding" is it even possible?) it showed that she is not only a "trophy wife" and she can kick ass and take names. Even if they were the ones getting their assed kicked and almost died.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:19   Link #146
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As a programmer, I feel the need to point out a few things.

* "Whatever programming language was used to make this game" is completely irrelevant. In order for a computer to do anything with a program, it needs to be compiled into machine code to make the application. Not to mention the fact that Kirito wasn't actually altering the game's "code" in any way.

* One of the few ways to alter things in a game at runtime is if the game is pre-equipped with some kind of console that can alter the game's resources rather than the game itself. It's not that much a stretch to assume that this "GM access console" is exactly such a console.

* Such a console would work either:
1) Through a menu, in which case, to someone familiar with computers such as Kirito, it really wouldn't be that to figure out which menu item does what and figure out how to snatch up Yui's data and store it into an in-game item.
2) Through a command line interface, in which case it's slightly more problematic as you need to know which commands do what. However, modern command consoles almost always respond to the "help" command with a list of possible commands. Familiarity with Query Languages is the thing that helps in this case. And seeing how query languages are even more similar to one another than programming languages are, it really is not that hard to figure out.


To make all this possible in such a short out of time merely by randomly mashing the keyboard, that's Hollywood Hacking.
I'm pretty sure I summed it up in one line.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:29   Link #147
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I'm pretty sure I summed it up in one line.
I don't recall Jesus duel-wielding his way through bosses shonen style. Nor being in bed with a Virtual Reality girlfriend. .
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:29   Link #148
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You don't need to know much, GM commands are usually the same in MMOs (that is, they have similar or identical input method, name and effect) so it's not too surprising that Kirito managed to pull something in the nick of time...although it's a hell of a lot more complicated if he's isolating and extracting a segment of a specific game parameter :P

Anyway, it was an emotional moment so I don't care about that. Awesome episode, Kirito kicking frog ass and Asuna kicking frog legs, epic little girl with indestructible barrier and (admittedly) hax gear killing a LV?? reaper and lengthy tearjerking moments for dessert.

Next episode, the edge of hell...must be good.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:31   Link #149
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I don't recall Jesus duel-wielding his way through bosses shonen style. Nor being in bed with a Virtual Reality girlfriend. .
It's a meme for gary-stu styled convenient savior of the world.
That's why they refer to ther OTHER MMO hero Thrall as the "Green Jesus".

Don't get me wrong, this is not a criticism. I love watching "perfect hero" assholes be badasses in their respective stories.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:32   Link #150
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Aw man the ending was so sad I almost forgot about the frog leg scene.

Those frog legs looked so good too.

Now I'm even more sad.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:34   Link #151
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I just noticed something. When Yui was going through all the players in despair in that Matrix room... errr... monitor room, she mentioned that some have gone insane, while she was caressing the monitor of one girl. If that girl is still around, I'm guessing we will the insane girl at some point. Hmmm... she could be a very significant character, but I'm going to reserve my guesses on who she could be.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:48   Link #152
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Yui is a literal Deus ex Machina. A lot of people just flatout don't like Deus ex Machinas (there's a reason why the term has a negative connotation amongst literary critics).

Now, yes, the concept behind Yui is fine and makes some sense. So that makes her a bit easier to take than some other Deus ex Machina. [...]
Just because Yui is a "God" doesn't mean this really meets the nature of the Deus ex Machina flaw/trope/literary element. This is misplacing form for function. The reason why this element is usually criticized is because the plot is developed in a certain way that has natural consequences, but then the plot develops in a way that is completely unbelievable and non-foreshadowed just to write the author out of a corner and save the day. But here, the entire situation was artificial to start with -- the character's mystery was very much the point of the episode, and the situation was devised to expose that mystery. It was obviously done in a way that was dramatic (the sudden reveal), but you can see that the plot was pointing to this development all along. Therefore, it really isn't some sort of unexpected, non-foreshadowed element needed to get the author out of a proverbial corner, because that revelation was the essential plot element. You might as well say "I don't like characters with god-like ability" full-stop in that case, regardless of how it was being set-up.

I understand what you're saying about wanting to see the characters fight the boss for themselves (though all indications are that it would have either ended in them running away or possibly someone getting killed), but the whole situation only existed because Yui was there in the first place. She was the actual subject of the episode all along.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:49   Link #153
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Programmer? Hacker? No. Kirito is Jesus.

Like Thrall.
Does that mean that Kirito is a self-insert character like Thrall?
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:50   Link #154
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I just noticed something. When Yui was going through all the players in despair in that Matrix room... errr... monitor room, she mentioned that some have gone insane, while she was caressing the monitor of one girl. If that girl is still around, I'm guessing we will the insane girl at some point. Hmmm... she could be a very significant character, but I'm going to reserve my guesses on who she could be.
Highly doubt it, insane people have enough trouble telling what's real and what's not even when they're not trapped in a VRMMO for two years...what got me thinking was, how many bastards Kibaou has under his command who actually share his...uh, ideals.
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Old 2012-09-23, 06:56   Link #155
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I just noticed something. When Yui was going through all the players in despair in that Matrix room... errr... monitor room, she mentioned that some have gone insane, while she was caressing the monitor of one girl. If that girl is still around, I'm guessing we will the insane girl at some point. Hmmm... she could be a very significant character, but I'm going to reserve my guesses on who she could be.
That girl was obviously Liz, hairpin, freckles, hair color all checked out.
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Highly doubt it, insane people have enough trouble telling what's real and what's not even when they're not trapped in a VRMMO for two years...what got me thinking was, how many bastards Kibaou has under his command who actually share his...uh, ideals.
Insane people might not care that they are killing other people. They can be the ultimate PK's, since nothing is holding them back. That could also explain why someone would choose to be a PK.

As for Kibaou's henchmen, I'm guessing Kibaou once kicked out will just be mid-level road bandits. They seem to weak to do any real damage to anyone of significance.
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Now, there are things I really liked about this episode. I've really come to like the romance between Kirito and Asuna. I found it kind of beautiful, really, when Asuna placed her sword in front of Kirito's just before the hidden boss made his attack. They really felt like a couple standing together as one, and Asuna felt like a mature woman proudly and strongly protecting the man she loves. The way Asuna and Kirito confronted the hidden boss was very compelling, which is partly why I wish it had been allowed to continue (even though I will admit that Yui's flaming sword of death was cool. ).


But while there's a lot to like in SAO, I can see why the complaints keep mounting from week-to-week. The writer just pushes some things a bit too far (honestly, all those kids is a bit much - yes, 2 or 3 would be fine, but this number really is needlessly pushing things), and the writer (or at least, the anime) just pushes things too fast, imo.
Little Food for Thought:
Spoiler for Vol 2. -- Yui's Heart cut out detail -- Name of Yui's Greatsword:

(I should use this spoiler format more often. )

Anyway, you're seriously undermining the power of underage internet. Remember that there are 10,000 people in SAO at the start (Hey, in the Web Novels it was 40,000 *shrugs* ) which means possibly around 2,500 people are teenagers, ranging from say ... 8 to 18 years old. I know for a fact that I was one of those people. Even if ... say ... around 1% of that population are children, that's STILL a lot. (25).

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As a programmer, I feel the need to point out a few things.

* "Whatever programming language was used to make this game" is completely irrelevant. In order for a computer to do anything with a program, it needs to be compiled into machine code to make the application. Not to mention the fact that Kirito wasn't actually altering the game's "code" in any way.

* One of the few ways to alter things in a game at runtime is if the game is pre-equipped with some kind of console that can alter the game's resources rather than the game itself. It's not that much a stretch to assume that this "GM access console" is exactly such a console.

* Such a console would work either:
1) Through a menu, in which case, to someone familiar with computers such as Kirito, it really wouldn't be that to figure out which menu item does what and figure out how to snatch up Yui's data and store it into an in-game item.
2) Through a command line interface, in which case it's slightly more problematic as you need to know which commands do what. However, modern command consoles almost always respond to the "help" command with a list of possible commands. Familiarity with Query Languages is the thing that helps in this case. And seeing how query languages are even more similar to one another than programming languages are, it really is not that hard to figure out.


To make all this possible in such a short amount of time merely by randomly mashing the keyboard, that's Hollywood Hacking.
^ as fellow programmer this.
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Aw man the ending was so sad I almost forgot about the frog leg scene.

Those frog legs looked so good too.

Now I'm even more sad.
They say "Frog Legs taste like chicken." Asuna doesn't know a thing or two about international cooking, does she?
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That flaming sword. I'm wondering if Kirito and Asuna will eventually pick up something of similar strength and power? They will definitely need it later when the level bosses are too high.
I wish. Looking from how they treat their swords, it seems we'll never see Asuna or Kirito carrying BFS's.
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Old 2012-09-23, 07:01   Link #158
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As for Kibaou's henchmen, I'm guessing Kibaou once kicked out will just be mid-level road bandits. They seem to weak to do any real damage to anyone of significance.
That assures nothing.
They can still go out in the first field, and harass/kill low level players like the kids in that orphanage, while they try to hunt some rabbits and boars.
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That girl was obviously Liz, hairpin, freckles, hair color all checked out.
Actually, you do have a point there. The only difference is that the hair is brown instead of pink. Of course, that could point to Liz's mental state, which could be a foreshadowing.

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That assures nothing.
They can still go out in the first field, and harass/kill low level players like the kids in that orphanage, while they try to hunt some rabbits and boars.
If they do that, I'm guessing the current army will try to put a stop to them. They do have to correct their past mistakes, i.e. past members.
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Old 2012-09-23, 07:11   Link #160
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Actually, you do have a point there. The only difference is that the hair is brown instead of pink. Of course, that could point to Liz's mental state, which could be a foreshadowing.

If they do that, I'm guessing the current army will try to put a stop to them. They do have to correct their past mistakes, i.e. past members.
Spoiler for Novel Information skipped as usual - Hair Color:
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