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Old 2012-09-23, 22:44   Link #4121
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IIRC, Melqart commented that v-san couldn't use 2 forms at once, and v-san was wounded badly when he forge 2 swords at the same time in vol 3. The limitation in unleashing the authorities might be unremovable, but just like with the help from kusanagi no tsurugi, with more mastery, he might be able to combine 2 form at once with less aftereffect, or maybe use the youth form without the need to kiss just like the original v-san(the original only need his opponent to recognize him as god to use the youth on the opponent).
The limitations on his authorities are removable, but only in unique circumstances, not by 'mastery' of his powers or training--
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Old 2012-09-23, 22:58   Link #4122
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im beginig to think that the restrictions are due to their own personalities
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Old 2012-09-23, 23:03   Link #4123
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Training is useless for a campione, just like what alec mentioned. The only way for him to master the authorities is by battling god in various situations even more. What I mean by mastery is on how he use the authority, and lessening of side effect such as the pain and inability from the raptor, or even further reduction in ram revival time(this one seems to be almost maxed out already) or maybe even a larger area from which he can take life force when using the goat form, not further strengthening of his power.

As for v-san, from what I gather, the reason he's undefeatable is the extreme adaptability of his 10 forms, which is I think where his chant come from. Of course there might be some incompatible power that might make v-san have a hard fight, but with the adaptability of his power, v-san will somehow find a way toward victory.

What I'm afraid with adding more authority for Godou is, the author might fall in the trap of keep adding power to him instead of adding his creativity in using his current authority to defeat the enemy like what he has done so far.
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Old 2012-09-24, 00:01   Link #4124
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Training is useless for a campione, just like what alec mentioned. The only way for him to master the authorities is by battling god in various situations even more. What I mean by mastery is on how he use the authority, and lessening of side effect such as the pain and inability from the raptor, or even further reduction in ram revival time(this one seems to be almost maxed out already) or maybe even a larger area from which he can take life force when using the goat form, not further strengthening of his power.

As for v-san, from what I gather, the reason he's undefeatable is the extreme adaptability of his 10 forms, which is I think where his chant come from. Of course there might be some incompatible power that might make v-san have a hard fight, but with the adaptability of his power, v-san will somehow find a way toward victory.

What I'm afraid with adding more authority for Godou is, the author might fall in the trap of keep adding power to him instead of adding his creativity in using his current authority to defeat the enemy like what he has done so far.
The reason why he was undefeated was also because he can use the warrior form freely--more or less because he already has knowledge of most his opponents. If I am correct, gods in general have divination powers that are greater than even Yuri's.Like I said,however, Verethragna isn't invincible. If the goddess from vol 13 fought him, he would have been k.oed instantly.
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Old 2012-09-24, 00:34   Link #4125
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Well,v-san lose against a human after all so obviously he isn't invincible lol. But, I always feel that even if v-san's warrior form is sealed, he will still find a way to win, probably by using goat or stallion form, and maybe add his opponent as companion due to his youth form charisma. Well, it might be me overestimating him though because in my mind, a god of victory must not lose even if he has to die after achieving victory lol. A god of victory who can't achieve victory is like a god of harvest who can't control harvest or god of steel who can't control steel.

Anyway, my point is, instead of adding more authorities, I much prefer the author make Godou use v-san's authority and v-san's status as god of victory to the max(as in as creative as possible), even if it meant he has to use the help of other campiones or god to defeat his enemy.
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Old 2012-09-24, 00:48   Link #4126
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Well,v-san lose against a human after all so obviously he isn't invincible lol. But, I always feel that even if v-san's warrior form is sealed, he will still find a way to win, probably by using goat or stallion form, and maybe add his opponent as companion due to his youth form charisma. Well, it might be me overestimating him though because in my mind, a god of victory must not lose even if he has to die after achieving victory lol. A god of victory who can't achieve victory is like a god of harvest who can't control harvest or god of steel who can't control steel.

Anyway, my point is, instead of adding more authorities, I much prefer the author make Godou use v-san's authority and v-san's status as god of victory to the max(as in as creative as possible), even if it meant he has to use the help of other campiones or god to defeat his enemy.
Yet, there are gods who are able to seal Verethragna's abilities altogether, such as Perseus and a certain other
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And about gods of victory, I wonder what would happen if Verethragna and Nike fought each other?

My point is that a diversity of authorities is always welcomed, preferably an authority from a goddess of the earth. There are always gods out there who can render all your abilities useless if these abilities contains a certain attribute.
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Old 2012-09-24, 02:47   Link #4127
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ne so godou only have Veregena,kusanagi tsurugi and athena authority right.
is there anyone know what the authority that godou get from athena?
also did he have other authority beside that 3?
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Old 2012-09-24, 02:50   Link #4128
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^he didn't get any authority from athena someone just troll you and I will not tell who spread it
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Old 2012-09-24, 03:02   Link #4129
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^he didn't get any authority from athena someone just troll you and I will not tell who spread it
Probably Kadi.

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also did he have other authority beside that 3?
If he had, I would not have talked about how he need more authorities than the Persian Warlord.He couldn't even beat the Black Prince even in Berserk form, what hope does he have against the Last King? More or less, there's simply way too many flaws with the Persian Warlord. Not only does it have too many limitations, but some of the abilities are weaker in comparison to what might have been standalone authorities. In addition to that, since all these abilities derives from a single origin, a single attribute, a deity who can negate this can easily k.o Godou(like Perseus and a certain goddess I have named earlier) if they had fought without holding back, without waiting for Godou to go kissu-kissu.Even if Godou has knowledge of a particular god, there are ways in which that god can counter the sword. Godou both lost and almost did again against two goddesses in vol 9 and 10 because of this.Right now, there's only two options left for Godou:1.Find a way and remove restrictions and limitations on his authority. 2. Get a new one. His laid back lifestyle of I don't wanna be stronger and only wanted to be normal is seriously annoying.
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Old 2012-09-24, 03:55   Link #4130
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Spoiler for vol 13:
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Old 2012-09-24, 04:24   Link #4131
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Volume thirteen still hasn't been fully translated, so I can't tell you that.But if he didn't, there would be no story to tell. He would be screwed.
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Old 2012-09-24, 05:45   Link #4132
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Yet, there are gods who are able to seal Verethragna's abilities altogether, such as Perseus and a certain other
Spoiler for vol 13:
And about gods of victory, I wonder what would happen if Verethragna and Nike fought each other?

My point is that a diversity of authorities is always welcomed, preferably an authority from a goddess of the earth. There are always gods out there who can render all your abilities useless if these abilities contains a certain attribute.
So the new goddess has been confirmed?
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Old 2012-09-24, 06:01   Link #4133
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So the new goddess has been confirmed?
Pretty much. Her name hasn't been revealed yet(the Chinese translation isn't finished), but the description of her abilities and personality pretty much matched the legend to a T.
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Old 2012-09-24, 06:02   Link #4134
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So the new goddess has been confirmed?
Not sure who did it, but I thought it was already spoiled long ago with a wiki link
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Old 2012-09-24, 06:02   Link #4135
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If i remember correctly, this goddess hasn't been confirmed. Only her purpose.
i can't remember it well because i only skip it when i was reading it (chiness translation). i'm too busy.
Just like Kadi said, this volume more crazy than previous.
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Old 2012-09-24, 06:56   Link #4136
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I wonder if what happen godou can evolve Vetheragna 10 Incanation
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and godou has goal that to became true Campione
no one can fight Godou if thats really happen
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Old 2012-09-24, 07:06   Link #4137
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Old 2012-09-24, 07:20   Link #4138
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I wonder if what happen godou can evolve Vetheragna 10 Incanation
Spoiler for 10:

and godou has goal that to became true Campione
no one can fight Godou if thats really happen
Dude, you have been reading too much DxD. True Campione? True Camel? There's no way he could have powers that are way stronger than what Verethragna was able to do. It would be great alone if he could use his powers freely as Verethragna was able to do so.

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Dude, Godou has already fought Heracles. In fact, Heracles was the first god he ever fought. He fought Godou under the name of Verethragna.As for Hindu gods, Verethragna is also a hindu god under the name of Indra. Basically, Verethragna is Ares, Heracles, Nergal, Horus and also Indra--much like Perseus is also Mithra,Mithras and Sol Invictus.Also, the problem with Godou is that because of the stringent limitations, most of the time, he does not beat his opponents. He draws most of the time. The only time he actually won decisively on his own against genuine opponents(gods or campiones) were his first fight with Athena, the one with Lancelot and Verethragna .And even then, he had to rely on his followers most of the time to win--which was clearly not an option when a deity notices this in vol nine. Other campiones can usually just solo their opponents.The Black Prince's subordinates always arrive eating dust, the fight over and Alec himself long gone. For this reason, Alec is my favourite campione, not Godou.Persian Warlord is hence a defective authority. Godou needs something that could go the extra mile apart from just drawing.
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Old 2012-09-24, 07:57   Link #4139
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Pretty much. Her name hasn't been revealed yet(the Chinese translation isn't finished), but the description of her abilities and personality pretty much matched the legend to a T.
I see, so you deducted from the chinese translation.
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Old 2012-09-24, 10:25   Link #4140
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isn't nike part of athena's authority? last time i went to greece (a year ago or so) and its museums i saw the name "nike athena" on one of her statues xD
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