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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 49
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... 5 6.58%
9 out of 10: Excellent... 6 7.89%
8 out of 10: Very Good... 5 6.58%
7 out of 10: Good... 10 13.16%
6 out of 10: Average... 12 15.79%
5 out of 10: Below Average... 9 11.84%
4 out of 10: Poor... 8 10.53%
3 out of 10: Bad... 4 5.26%
2 out of 10: Very Bad... 6 7.89%
1 out of 10: Torturous... 11 14.47%
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Old 2012-09-24, 20:38   Link #141
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So in the end, it is Yurin who saves the day...
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Old 2012-09-24, 20:55   Link #142
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So in the end, it is Yurin who saves the day...
Saved his life and then saves his soul, that's Yurin for you .
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:06   Link #143
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And that about sums up that.
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:14   Link #144
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Well just like Gundam to give an good ending but would of been better if it was one more episode
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:22   Link #145
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Good ending. Shows why the whole series should have just focused on flit and his grandson and son should have been treated as major supporting characters.
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:24   Link #146
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Yeah honestly fuck Ezelcant. So many decent people died just so he could have his mad power fantasy quest and he was clearly a terrible leader throughout the shows run since he drug out this war for 70 years all for the purpose of trying to create what in his eyes was a place "where all people can be human" and thought the best idea to do so was to massacre their civilians and "test them", which still makes no real sense and can only be chalked up to really shoddy writing or him being completely bonkers to the point where it does make sense to him at least.
Exactly my problem with the Vagan reason for fighting. There was no real reason. The reason Ezelcant had was almost completely different from what the rest of the Vagan had in mind. It was a miracle Ezelcant led them on for as long as he did!

Then there was Zehart, who became heir-apparent just because Ezelcant told him to. Truly a disciple without a spine and a fool.

However, speaking of people dying... there are many who escaped karma. Lets not forget, the man who sold Yurin out, I assume he is still living large in his extravagant estate. Oh, how about the former Prime Minister of the Federation? His acts was treason, and in most circumstances, he would have faced the firing squad. But no, the show did not detail what happened to him, except hinting that he was arrested.

If there was anyone who did not deserve to die in the series, it was Yurin. She was the only character without blood on her hands. Then again, if she didn't die, we wouldn't have a motivation factor for Flit now, would we?

It amazes me just how this little girl became the sole motivation for the Federation military buildup under Flit, and his subsequent advancement of Gundam development. Love can be a scary thing indeed.

- Tak (Poor poor Emily, and poor Aya Endo)
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:27   Link #147
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But no, the show did not detail what happened to him, except hinting that he was arrested.
No, the show was pretty blatant about him being executed along with the rest of the Vagan collaborators.
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:29   Link #148
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No, the show was pretty blatant about him being executed along with the rest of the Vagan collaborators.
Really? Must have missed it then. GOOD! Praise Karma!

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Old 2012-09-24, 21:34   Link #149
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Even though this ending was not good, it's nowhere near as bad as Destiny. At least in AGE they got the closure to Flit's story right, he let go of all his hatred and became the true savior he was meant to be. Destiny got nothing right.

Aside from Zeheart and Fram, no one in AGE did anything completely out of character in the finale. You could argue about Flit, but we all knew he was never going to carry out on his threats. He came across as a genocidal bastard for a good chunk of the series, but deep down he was always going to be redeemed. In destiny you had a bunch of characters doing stupid things out of nowhere. Rey shoots his best friend/father figure because "Kira wants a future"...Talia decides she'd die with Durandal even though she has a fucking son waiting for her at home...Shinn tries to kill Luna out of rage...

00's finale was much, much better IMO. In fact 00 vs Reborns was pure mecha porn and I loved every minute of that episode, very well executed.

Few of the things that pissed me off in this episode:

1) SID - why did it show up and combine with Zera Gins? Isn't it programmed to protect EXA-DB?

2) Vagan Gear Sid vs Age-fx - really awful battle, nothing else to say.

3) Ezelcant getting a happy ending- this was seriously messed up. Guy drags out a war for 70 years even though he never "wanted to fight a war". He takes children like Decil and gives them all this power and in turn, either intentionally or unintentionally creates monsters. He kills thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of both Earthers and Vagans for some pseudo-Destiny plan, and he gets to die peacefully in his bed with his hot 100 year old wife by his side to mourn him. Probably died a hero too for all we know. Zeheart died a pitiful death at the hands of his only friend, with noone to mourn him because he had killed his potential love interest before, all because of Ezelcant...

- I agree, 00's ending was much better. In my opinion, 00 did everything better. In my opinion it had better story, better characters, better animation, better action. I did enjoy AGE though. I thought it was alright even though the whole series required more "continuity." The chopped up chunks would have fit in together better if we got a sense of what happened in between the years or if Flit was just focused on throughout the whole thing.

- I thought Flit didn't come off as a genocidal bastard. He came off with as someone with genocidal thoughts due to his childhood and lifelong traumas. He saw his whole family murdered. He pulled himself into a war at young age motivated by revenge. His father figures were murdered. He saw his second home colony destroyed. His childhood friend was kidnapped and used against him in battle. He witnessed his own side act like scumbags.

In the end, he always stood for something his whole life and that is why he didn't annihilate the martians.

- Ezelcant gave his people a reason to fight, advance their technology. His people were screwed over by the Earth. They were sent there to colonize Earth and abandoned. This made them a bunch of hardworking, industrious, and angry hardasses. Ezelcant was born on the Martian colony to people who were screwed over by Earth.

It was a series of screwed up events that forced Ezelcant into his extremism.
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:38   Link #150
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Exactly my problem with the Vagan reason for fighting. There was no real reason. The reason Ezelcant had was almost completely different from what the rest of the Vagan had in mind. It was a miracle Ezelcant led them on for as long as he did!

Then there was Zehart, who became heir-apparent just because Ezelcant told him to. Truly a disciple without a spine and a fool.

However, speaking of people dying... there are many who escaped karma. Lets not forget, the man who sold Yurin out, I assume he is still living large in his extravagant estate. Oh, how about the former Prime Minister of the Federation? His acts was treason, and in most circumstances, he would have faced the firing squad. But no, the show did not detail what happened to him, except hinting that he was arrested.

If there was anyone who did not deserve to die in the series, it was Yurin. She was the only character without blood on her hands. Then again, if she didn't die, we wouldn't have a motivation factor for Flit now, would we?

It amazes me just how this little girl became the sole motivation for the Federation military buildup under Flit, and his subsequent advancement of Gundam development. Love can be a scary thing indeed.

- Tak (Poor poor Emily, and poor Aya Endo)
Vagan... inspired by North Korea
Earth... inspired by Japan and its allies

Isolated country pissed off at other country over something that happened decades ago.


Vagan... isolated culture. Ezelcant is king/dictator. He was probably the son of the previous dictator.


- Vagan life is hard. Very hard lifestyle being Vagan.
- Vagan have limited resources
- Ezelcant is seen as glorious leader who has kept them alive through hard times.
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:40   Link #151
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Vagan... inspired by North Korea
Earth... inspired by Japan and its allies
Funny that, because the Vagan were ones wearing Japanese uniforms

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- Vagan life is hard. Very hard lifestyle being Vagan.
- Vagan have limited resources
- Ezelcant is seen as glorious leader who has kept them alive through hard times.
And I would have no problems if Ezelcant was bent on revenge. It would have been much, much easier to swallow and convincing. Yet, in midst of this, he thrown in some very outlandish ideologies that only he himself knew. The rest of the Vagan weren't even aware. Ez's reason for fighting was totally disconnected from the rest of the population he ruled, and I thought it was rather miraculous that he managed to stay in power for as long as he did.

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Old 2012-09-24, 21:51   Link #152
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Funny that, because the Vagan were ones wearing Japanese uniforms



And I would have no problems if Ezelcant was bent on revenge. It would have been much, much easier to swallow and convincing. Yet, in midst of this, he thrown in some very outlandish ideologies that only he himself knew. The rest of the Vagan weren't even aware. Ez's reason for fighting was totally disconnected from the rest of the population he ruled, and I thought it was rather miraculous that he managed to stay in power for as long as he did.

- Tak
He's sort of doing out of revenge and because he has no other option. He hates humanity and at the same time his people are really suffering and need a new place to live.

Unlike the rest of his people, he thinks that human nature is at the heart of all suffering... not just Earthlings. The first part of his plan is revenge... his plan after that revenge is what he has convinced himself makes revenge worth it. He's supposed to be a really smart, complicated guy with a lot of weight on his shoulders.

He's multi-dimensional... wants revenge and more.
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Old 2012-09-24, 21:57   Link #153
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Exactly my problem with the Vagan reason for fighting. There was no real reason. The reason Ezelcant had was almost completely different from what the rest of the Vagan had in mind. It was a miracle Ezelcant led them on for as long as he did!

Then there was Zehart, who became heir-apparent just because Ezelcant told him to. Truly a disciple without a spine and a fool.

However, speaking of people dying... there are many who escaped karma. Lets not forget, the man who sold Yurin out, I assume he is still living large in his extravagant estate. Oh, how about the former Prime Minister of the Federation? His acts was treason, and in most circumstances, he would have faced the firing squad. But no, the show did not detail what happened to him, except hinting that he was arrested.

If there was anyone who did not deserve to die in the series, it was Yurin. She was the only character without blood on her hands. Then again, if she didn't die, we wouldn't have a motivation factor for Flit now, would we?

It amazes me just how this little girl became the sole motivation for the Federation military buildup under Flit, and his subsequent advancement of Gundam development. Love can be a scary thing indeed.

- Tak (Poor poor Emily, and poor Aya Endo)
The one thing that really does frustrate me with the ending is Ezelcant. This guy ruins the lives of billions and gets to happily die in bed. It's all because of him. It has been some time since I've seen one person who has managed to be the singular reason why so many have had to suffer. In the end the jerk was dying so there was nothing they could do other than see his goal fail. But he doesn't he look upset about it . It's all good since his reincarnated son Kio will lead humanity to a bright future .

But yeah Yurin really was the one who didn't deserve what happened to her. Though can say she helped Flit take down a couple of Vagan units so not completely clean . Though yeah just used to drive Flit up a wall. He'd lost so much and in the end he saw evil (thanks Decil) take away the girl he loved. With Decil as an example it pretty much set up Flit for which part of humanity he'd be a savior for.
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Old 2012-09-24, 22:27   Link #154
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I am finally glad this terrible series is over. A Gundam series that is so bad, you can proudly say that Seed Destiny is no longer the worse.
As for the whole premise of the show, i think it work out as a game, but as a show, the execution went out poorly in everyway.

I think the this show probably would get less hate, if it has a more appealing character design and perphaps having the show split into two generation instead of 3.

My feeling of watching Gundam Age.
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Old 2012-09-25, 00:19   Link #155
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I REALLY think most of you guys are OVERREACTING! This show has followed many many Gundam Tropes. Kill em all Tomino Style used then People get to repent after doing evil and live in harmony. If you seen many a AU Gundam then you shouldn't be suprised. Have you seen the ending of Char's Counterattack? Rose Colored Glasses for the past! Come'on! I enjoyed this Show and I'm going to miss it. Could somethings be tweaked? Of course what show doesn't have that?
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Old 2012-09-25, 00:21   Link #156
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I REALLY think most of you guys are OVERREACTING! This show has followed many many Gundam Tropes. Kill em all Tomino Style used then People get to repent after doing evil and live in harmony. If you seen many a AU Gundam then you shouldn't be suprised. Come'on!
It's not the problem with the dramatic devices, but the execution. That makes a whole lot of difference.
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Old 2012-09-25, 00:35   Link #157
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I REALLY think most of you guys are OVERREACTING! This show has followed many many Gundam Tropes. Kill em all Tomino Style used then People get to repent after doing evil and live in harmony. If you seen many a AU Gundam then you shouldn't be suprised. Have you seen the ending of Char's Counterattack? Rose Colored Glasses for the past! Come'on! I enjoyed this Show and I'm going to miss it. Could somethings be tweaked? Of course what show doesn't have that?
That's the problem with this show. Reusing old Gundam tropes for the sake of being Gundam. Without proper context, it just felt soulless.

I hope the next Gundam series doesn't target kids. If Bandai want kids that badly, just air SD Gundam comedy separate from the main series.
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Old 2012-09-25, 01:59   Link #158
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Finally ! I'm glad this series over.


I barely posted anything about this Gundam saga. It had a few moments, but not compelling enough to keep my attention for long.

I liked some of the Mobile suits used in the series... but that's it. Neither the story nor the characters interested me. At first, I was very curious about the UE (Unknown Enemy), but once they were revealed as the Vagans (hope I'm spelling this right)... I lost interest too.

The concept of three generations displayed on 49 episodes was interesting at first, when it was mentioned. But seeing it now... it's too fast. Not enought time to explore side characters. Side characters were literally tossed aside. They pop-up, were given a short back story, then they die or something else.

I'm sorry, but Gundam AGE was a dissapointement to me. Can't wait till the next series.
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Old 2012-09-25, 01:59   Link #159
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(Man, things were hectic in the office, so I can only respond now. Pheww....Monday is a hard day. But I don’t hate it )

Ok, let’s continue where we left off.

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Yep one good fight amidst a sea of stock footage I will agree that one stands out, but for the wrong reasons. By comparison AGE feels like it has a good fight pretty much every time there's a major battle of the arc as do most Gundam shows. Still not seeing where this argument of yours has much ground to stand on.
Exactly what argument? I already said that the action in AGE is better than in Destiny in my first reply to you, right?

What I was arguing is the so called "hypothetical point" of yours. And now that you have explained yourself, I'm cool about it. Or do you want to continue this?

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As for the Ambat battle, I'm pretty sure they actually didn't beat all those Vagan units. In fact I seem to recall Don Voyage dying and Ract almost dying were it not for Flit stopping him from making a pointless self sacrifice (where was someone to do that for Fram?). The rest of the Zalam/Euba alliance was pretty much wiped out to give the Diva crew time to invade Ambat and kill it's commander thus ending the battle in a Federation victory with heavy losses.
Actually, given the quality of fire-power they got, it amazed me that those Vagan suits didn’t wipe the asteroids with those ragtag alliance MSs in no time and then continue to gang-up on AGE-1 & G-Exes then destroy Diva. Those Vagan suits are overwhelming in power & speed but suddenly the Vagan pilots lost their edge that they showed on the first episode by being stupidly slow and waiting to be shot at.

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Do your friends by any chance spend a lot of time rageposting about the episodes on Facebook and never really liked the show in the first place. That could have something to do with it.
No, they’re not rageposting. It was a nice chat. We’re having a great time laughing at some certain elements in AGE as well as some healthy arguments. Most of them view AGE the same way I do. Also, No, they didn’t spend a lot of time (only once a week for a few hours).

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Also bringing what your friends like into the argument isn't going to do much for convincing me here seeing as it comes down to a matter of taste and I say pretty much all Gundam series have great soundtrack and AGE is no different.
Excuse me, who was trying to convince you about anything? I was merely giving you what I got for your statement here:
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I doubt you'll find many people that will find they have a similar issue though.
and guess what? I did find quite a number of people (my friends that I mentioned earlier) that have similar issue as mine regarding AGE’s OST. If you don’t like it, then why bring it up? That’s right. You’re the one who brings the issue (of finding people who has similar issue as me) up, not me.
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Oh, how about the former Prime Minister of the Federation? His acts was treason, and in most circumstances, he would have faced the firing squad. But no, the show did not detail what happened to him, except hinting that he was arrested.
Arrested, put to trial and executed.

As was other collaborators.

If that is the fate of traitors to the Federation then Shanalua had no reason to believe that the system would be lenient on her.

Despite pleas of Kio that his grandfather can work something out. Of course Shanalua wouldn't believe that... It's Flit Asuno that led the purge.

In the end Kio can't convince anybody not to shoot but his grandfather.

Considering the war was all but won by the Federation in name I find it dubious that the Vegans probably got a ceasefire or a conditional surrender.

Something that Japan wanted for the end of the Pacific war. Of course we knew the US and its allies would accept nothing but an unconditional surrender.

I don't think Gundam Age's writers got the message of MS Gundam that a genocidal state has to be defeated. Remember Tomino lived through the aftermath of Japan's surrender. Recognizing his country's old leaders and its allies were card carrying villains.

Flit may have forgiven the Vegans but in the interest of justice war criminals should be tried for war crimes.

The biggest war criminal of them died without a single regret.

I find that a disturbing message Gundam Age is trying to convey.
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