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Old 2012-09-27, 16:05   Link #41
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The work they're doing with H x H is consistently top-notch, and it's not being done on the cheap. And Chihayafuru is arguably the best show of the last year. Reports of their death continue to be greatly exaggerated and I still see no hard evidence they're in real trouble.

And you all suck, AO is an excellent show and kudos to BONES for daring to do something different with the sequel.
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Old 2012-09-27, 16:07   Link #42
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The only thing which sucks in regard to AO is the show itself.
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Old 2012-09-27, 16:09   Link #43
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The recent Madhouse studio discussion has been moved the the Madhouse: Studio discussion, speculation, and whatnot thread in the General Anime forum. Continue this discussion there.

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Old 2012-09-27, 16:21   Link #44
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Only a small part of my post was part of the Madhouse discussion, anyway reposting what I said:

I'm liking the staff, I really enjoyed Mouryou no Hako it had great visuals and an excellent soundtrack along with its somewhat crossover in Blue Literature (Run! Melos) which was, not so coincidentally, the best arc of Blue Literature.
So I'm really looking forward to this.
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Old 2012-09-27, 16:28   Link #45
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Honestly, I think it's great that the director has found a consistent team who he's comfortable to work with, and it doesn't matter what studio produces the actual project. In the end, it's good news for everyone if they turn out a good product, and the only difference would be who is funding it and where the work is actually done physically.
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Old 2012-09-27, 17:16   Link #46
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The only thing which sucks in regard to AO is the show itself.
Off-topic, off-topic, off-topic...
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Old 2012-09-27, 21:57   Link #47
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Hey that's cheating!
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Old 2012-10-21, 18:19   Link #48
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Wow that did not take long for this movie to get almost instant hate right off of the premiere. People REALLY hated this movie off of the premiere and now I'm really curious and admittedly highly skeptical as to what it could have done to be so apparently bad. Guess I'll find out the real scoop when I go to see it, but I'll just say that the reaction doesn't surprise me for a number of reasons, most of which contribute to my skepticism.
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Old 2012-10-21, 18:29   Link #49
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The impression I get is that most of the negative reaction is due to the film being nearly incomprehensible unless you've read the original novel.
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Old 2012-10-21, 18:29   Link #50
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Wow that did not take long for this movie to get almost instant hate right off of the premiere. People REALLY hated this movie off of the premiere and now I'm really curious and admittedly highly skeptical as to what it could have done to be so apparently bad.
I've seen one review that hated it but a couple others that ddn't though all reviews seem to agree that it's flawed.
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Old 2012-10-21, 18:51   Link #51
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I've seen one review that hated it but a couple others that ddn't though all reviews seem to agree that it's flawed.
Everything is flawed in some respect which is a harsh reality I think a lot of people have a hard time coping with or can even be in flat out denial about at times, but this movie is just getting some kind of vitriol that's being taken astonishingly at face value from what I've seen and people seem legitimately angry about it's premiere. That sort of thing (the "absolute opinion" as I've come to call it) always makes me very skeptical and like I'm not getting an accurate assessment as to the qualities and flaws of a given work. I wish I could speak having seen the film myself (though that'll come in time) but to me an ever increasing number of anime reviews just seem to depend on how much the reviewer chooses to hold something up against the wall for it's shortcomings or put it on the pedestal for it's strengths (absolutes) and somehow I get the sense people really wanted to nail this one more than most judging by the tone and language used in a lot of the opinions I've seen.

To be honest the things I've heard sound like criticisms you could attribute to plenty of things that I often just don't see come up as total deal breakers which is frankly a little strange to me. Those two reviews you linked me seem like genuine attempts to dispassionately review/recommend the film to it's target audience though, which is frankly better than anything I've seen thus far. Very professional and considered (especially the latter one) so thanks for posting them.

I guess we'll see then, the one consensus I've noted is that it's a trend setter for visuals when it comes to animated film, which doesn't surprise me to hear after watching the trailers. To be honest reading the premise of the story I frankly don't and never did expect a plot line that would set the world on fire (and not just because the title bears an uncanny resemblance to a pretty crappy one shot 80's OVA), break cleanly from all established conventions, nor lean in any particular direction towards hard sci-fi or romance so I'm not really surprised to see evidence to that end. I do however find it amusing how selective the idea of tropes and conventions and how much of a detriment they can be to something seems to be though. Sometimes it's at the forefront of criticism, other times obvious tropes are completely ignored for the sake of ones own enjoyment and at this rate one might as well be able to flip a coin when it comes to when the idea of tropeiness is going to crop up and take center stage.

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The impression I get is that most of the negative reaction is due to the film being nearly incomprehensible unless you've read the original novel.
That doesn't worry me much as I have plenty of experience deciphering densely plotted and/or heavily compacted material via inferring what needs to be understood off of subtle cues and strands of dialogue. Call it a stubborn almost pathological will towards understanding and hyper-analyzing everything I encounter till it's committed to memory, but many is the time that I've been told something makes absolutely zero sense to someone and yet I'm able to understand it completely off of a first attempt so this really does not concern me barring it just being totally all over the place and lacking any semblance of pacing.
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Old 2012-10-22, 04:26   Link #52
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The impression I get is that most of the negative reaction is due to the film being nearly incomprehensible unless you've read the original novel.
I don't think this is strictly speaking the case, although it certainly seemed like it just after the screening as I was discussing it with other people.

I think I was one of the very few people at the screening with any familiarity with the story of Nerawareta Gakuen, and my knowledge of that did help with certain parts of the film as it's something of a sequel to the original novel. The vast majority of the film has absolutely no reliance on the original novel at all and makes perfect sense without it, but there are certain moments that only really have the desired emotional impact if you know the original story, and I also think it makes some of the woollier plot elements clearer - but it doesn't completely excuse some of the gaps in the narrative.

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(and not just because the title bears an uncanny resemblance to a pretty crappy one shot 80's OVA)
Bear in mind that "Psychic School Wars" is the title that Shochiku, the film's distributor, has chosen for it. It is not a literal translation, and no previous version of this story has been called that. It also has virtually nothing to do with the story, save that there are psychics and a school in it.

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That doesn't worry me much as I have plenty of experience deciphering densely plotted and/or heavily compacted material via inferring what needs to be understood off of subtle cues and strands of dialogue. Call it a stubborn almost pathological will towards understanding and hyper-analyzing everything I encounter till it's committed to memory, but many is the time that I've been told something makes absolutely zero sense to someone and yet I'm able to understand it completely off of a first attempt so this really does not concern me barring it just being totally all over the place and lacking any semblance of pacing.
It's not an issue of pacing. The film is a bit long, but in general the pacing is very good. It is definitely an issue of things not being explained properly.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, there are three plot points in the film which are poorly handled. Two of these are foreshadowed by throwaway lines of dialogue, but when they are eventually revealed leave far too many questions unanswered. The third, unfortunately, is the ending, where although all the dialogue makes sense the events which are taking place come so suddenly out of the blue without any explanation that it seems like complete nonsense.

It's definitely a film I want to see again - out of the reviews you've linked above I think the Chaos Agent one is very much in line with my own thoughts on it. I think the reactions of people who hated it are valid, because the climax is so confusing dramatically it pulled most of the audience out of the film, but the vast majority of the film is really very good indeed.
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Old 2012-10-22, 04:47   Link #53
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It's out already?
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It's out already?
The film had its international premiere at the Scotland Loves Animation festival on Saturday - I flew up to Edinburgh specifically to see it as I'm a big fan of Ryosuke Nakamura's previous work as a director.
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Old 2012-10-22, 05:59   Link #55
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^ If you had to rate the movie on a scale of one to ten, where would you rate it ?
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I see...hope the BD is out soon...
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^ If you had to rate the movie on a scale of one to ten, where would you rate it ?
Personally? I'd give it a 7 or an 8. The ending is a narrative mess, but the other storytelling flaws I can live with and the rest of the film I thought was really quite fantastic - I wouldn't hesitate to be thinking of a higher grade as it's really the fact that the ending is "so bad" that drags it down.

The dialogue is generally well written, the animation is lively and interesting to look at, the haracters are likeable etc. etc. It's just unfortunate that the climax of the whole film in particular doesn't live up to the rest of it.

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I see...hope the BD is out soon...
The film doesn't open in Japan until November. Judging by similar films that Sunrise has released in the past few years (like Colorful or King of Thorn) I think we'll probably have another 10 months or so to wait until a BD release.
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kinda weird that it airs internationally before the Japan release...
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Old 2012-10-22, 09:47   Link #59
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kinda weird that it airs internationally before the Japan release...
It's not completely unheard of.Satoshi Kon movies premiered internationally before a japanese release,same with movies like King of Thorn,Redline or Wolf Children (off the top of my head)
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There's a new trailer out for the movie. Must. Use. Lens. Flare. In. Every. Scene.

It makes Star Trek look dark and dingy by comparison. Also the longer the trailers get for this movie the more it's starting to look like some sort of slow paced romantic comedy as opposed to a science fiction flick. I can certainly see how there might not be anything truly groundbreaking in this film (never expected it in the first place though), but I'm still holding out on it not making me confused and lost or whatever like the people that went to Edinburgh claim. I think it'll probably also help that I know now more what to expect and that when I finally get to watch it I'll have the opportunity to review any overly dense scenes to make sure I pick up on everything. Just not sure how interested I'll be in it if it does turn out to be mostly romantic comedy glitzy visuals or not.
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