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Old 2012-09-27, 13:24   Link #4201
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did a youth scene happened in vol. 13 like it was in vol. 7?
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Old 2012-09-27, 14:56   Link #4202
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Is Volume 12 Godu's dream or something (where he tries to get close to the girls rather than the other way around?)

Act of a god? Or a true Alternative Universe story by author?
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Old 2012-09-27, 15:19   Link #4203
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Is Volume 12 Godu's dream or something (where he tries to get close to the girls rather than the other way around?)

Act of a god? Or a true Alternative Universe story by author?
No its more like
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Old 2012-09-27, 16:08   Link #4204
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No its more like
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Was that permanent story reset or reverse back together by the end of the volume, or he manage to snag them all through the alternative route?

What caused it?
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Old 2012-09-27, 17:27   Link #4205
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Lifting restrications would be pretty stupid. It would essentially broke any conflict in the story to tiny little pieces.
Fact of the matter is, his restrications on his authority is the only thing stopping him from god stomping nearly everyone that doesn't have a direct counter to his authority. At that point only a few absolute top tiers such as Voban would pose a challenge in a "fair fight" (a fight where the opponent doesn't have an unfair advantage).
They might lift restrictions but it'll be in the last volume during other wise like you said it would make it too easy.


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Yeah but Godou want to be "normal" and "normal" people don't learn sword skills.
In the first couple of volumes I would have agreed with you but by the time he got Kusanagi no Tsurugi Godou seemed to have understood that things normal life and pacifism just aren't in the cards for him.



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Not to mention, he might not have the talent to learn how to use a sword. Also, someone who is good at something might not be a good teacher. If you want to look at Godou's motivation at learning something that might not lead to normality, look no further than as to why the girls needs to use the words of power on Godou. Seriously,all he does it battle is to utter less than twenty lines. Yet, he couldn't even do it unless they forcibly have him memorize them using a spell.
I'll agree with you ladies might not have any talent to teach him how to use a sword but come on the guy is Campione of course he would have at least some talent for it just because of the physical enhancement they all naturally have. Besides even if he isn't great with sword it's still a step up or do you forget about Perseus running Godou through when he was fighting him bare handed.
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Old 2012-09-27, 17:34   Link #4206
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Was that permanent story reset or reverse back together by the end of the volume, or he manage to snag them all through the alternative route?

What caused it?
Dude, you can read chinese, right? Probably you can take a look at chinese translation since Vol 12 was fully translated in chinese from some time ago.
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Old 2012-09-27, 19:35   Link #4207
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Dude, you can read chinese, right? Probably you can take a look at chinese translation since Vol 12 was fully translated in chinese from some time ago.

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Old 2012-09-27, 20:54   Link #4208
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I'll agree with you ladies might not have any talent to teach him how to use a sword but come on the guy is Campione of course he would have at least some talent for it just because of the physical enhancement they all naturally have. Besides even if he isn't great with sword it's still a step up or do you forget about Perseus running Godou through when he was fighting him bare handed.
Just because his body is great, it doesn't mean his mind can learn it. Salvatore Doni's still a baka at magic even though he became a campione--even though he had a grand knight as his butler.JPS' magic is still at the above average level only. Being a campione actually doesn't lift your ability to learn except in terms of languages.Besides, it's useless to use a sword if you know that your skill would never even come close to surpassing your opponents. The martial arts skill the girls isn't comparable to the ones used by the gods at all. Anything less would get yourself killed instantly.Not being great with the sword yet still using it would get yourself killed if you insist on fighting a god with one.
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Old 2012-09-27, 21:27   Link #4209
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No its because Doni and Voban just dont bother to learn it. I guess its a matter of preference. Remember when Godou tried that ancient German spell and ended up crushing a tree across the street? A Campione's battle instincts will allow them to pretty much master any skill they try to learn. Godou would have instinctively learned to become a master swordsman if he used Ame no Tsukurugi in a swordfight.
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Old 2012-09-27, 21:30   Link #4210
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No its because Doni and Voban just dont bother to learn it. I guess its a matter of preference. Remember when Godou tried that ancient German spell and ended up crushing a tree across the street? A Campione's battle instincts will allow them to pretty much master any skill they try to learn. Godou would have instinctively learned to become a master swordsman if he used Ame no Tsukurugi in a swordfight.
Where are you basing this from?All the crushing of tree scene shows is that campiones have a massive storage of magic.
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Old 2012-09-27, 21:39   Link #4211
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Where are you basing this from?All the crushing of tree scene shows is that campiones have a massive storage of magic.
I think he was talking about the side story I think, though I think that was not German magic.
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Old 2012-09-27, 21:42   Link #4212
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I know it was said somewhere that Voban never learned magic not because he sucked but because of preference or something. It was said in the anime, too. It's the same with Doni, he won't learn magic because he's a sword freak. You might think learning magic would be useful and logically that's true, but these guys wouldn't be Campione's if they relied on magic.

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Voban didn't learn Japanese quickly just because of the large amount of magic he has.
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Old 2012-09-27, 21:58   Link #4213
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It's true that he needs some new skills, but swordsmanship and magic takes a long time to learn even if Godou turns out to be a genius, and really, its kinda redundant. He already has a team of magic and swordsmanship specialists.

If he picks up another authority somewhere along the line that has no quirky activation conditions he'd be set.
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Old 2012-09-27, 22:56   Link #4214
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Just because his body is great, it doesn't mean his mind can learn it. Salvatore Doni's still a baka at magic even though he became a campione--even though he had a grand knight as his butler.JPS' magic is still at the above average level only. Being a campione actually doesn't lift your ability to learn except in terms of languages.
He seems to be of at least average intelligence and has pretty good combat insticts no real reason to believe he wouldn't be able learn this.

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Besides, it's useless to use a sword if you know that your skill would never even come close to surpassing your opponents.The martial arts skill the girls isn't comparable to the ones used by the gods at all. Anything less would get yourself killed instantly.Not being great with the sword yet still using it would get yourself killed if you insist on fighting a god with one.
I gotta disagree now a sword wouldn't be as useful to someone who's not great with one but Godou's still better off then fighting bare handed since his not skilled at unarmed combat either. Besides don't forget Kusanagi no Tsurugi isn't just a sword either it also has control over wind and storms.
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Old 2012-09-27, 23:02   Link #4215
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He seems to be of at least average intelligence and has pretty good combat insticts no real reason to believe he wouldn't be able learn this.



I gotta disagree now a sword wouldn't be as useful to someone who's not great with one but Godou's still better off then fighting bare handed since his not skilled at unarmed combat either. Besides don't forget Kusanagi no Tsurugi isn't just a sword either it also has control over wind and storms.
Godou is actually good fighting bare hand on the contrary. That's where the camel and the bull shines. As for the Kusanagi sword, I don't understand why you are reminding me it isn't just a normal sword. Of course I know that, especially knowing what it did in vol 9 and 13......
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Old 2012-09-27, 23:25   Link #4216
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Godou is actually good fighting bare hand on the contrary. That's where the camel and the bull shines.
I wouldn't describe that as good at bare hand fighting between once daily use limits and restrictions on the activations Godou is pretty big holes there plus he still is very lacking in terms of actaul skill.


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As for the Kusanagi sword, I don't understand why you are reminding me it isn't just a normal sword. Of course I know that, especially knowing what it did in vol 9 and 13......
You were acting as if it had no uses beyond just as a sword.
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Old 2012-09-27, 23:35   Link #4217
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Guys, learning some martial art not only improves the body, something Godou doesn't needs but also trains the mind, something Godou really seriously needs and if we include magic then he would be a more resourceful person like Luo Hao.
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Old 2012-09-28, 00:19   Link #4218
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I wouldn't describe that as good at bare hand fighting between once daily use limits and restrictions on the activations Godou is pretty big holes there plus he still is very lacking in terms of actaul skill.




You were acting as if it had no uses beyond just as a sword.
No I didn't. I didn't mention the sword at all, and we were talking about physical combat here with bare hands here. The camel and the bull are actually good at fighting.The once daily use limits and restrictions is the same as the other authorities. Ineffective swordsmanship(anything below the skill of the gods, Erica's swordsmanship included) would be useless even with something the caliber of the Kusanagi sword if it fails to land a hit--which is why learning that sword is useless.This is why he needs an extra easy to use, attack oriented authority. It doesn't have to be too destructive like the horse or the new ability, it only needs to be able to damage a god. He was more or less able to fight well against Salvatore and Lao Hao using the camel--which is an amazing feat considering they were master-level martial artists.As for good combat instincts, that doesn't mean he is able to master sword-fighting to the level of Erica or even better. If good combat instinct meant that someone could be proficient in all forms of fighting, then military geniuses would also be brilliant swordsmen. Boxing champions could also be masters of the spear. Skilled archers could also be proficient users of the mace. Not to mention, learning sword fighting takes years, if not at least a decade. If he put some effort into doing so, he'd become swordsmen, there's no doubt about it, but doesn't mean he'd be good at it. All battle instinct does is allow you to predict what your opponent might do. It has nothing to do with learning a skill.
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I know it was said somewhere that Voban never learned magic not because he sucked but because of preference or something. It was said in the anime, too. It's the same with Doni, he won't learn magic because he's a sword freak. You might think learning magic would be useful and logically that's true, but these guys wouldn't be Campione's if they relied on magic.

Spoiler for Voban:


Voban didn't learn Japanese quickly just because of the large amount of magic he has.

And nether did I ever said that campiones were able to learn language quickly because of the large storage of magic. I was saying that apart from languages, they can't learn anything else on a rapid speed.Look no further than the reason why he needs to use the word of power. He says fewer than twenty lines in each fight, yet he couldn't memories them.The reason why Lao Hao was such a lethal magician and martial artist was said to be due to her supernatural lifespan as a campione, not because she was able to learn at an accelerated rate--allowing her to grasp secrets that others would have long died of old age before being able to unlock them.
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Old 2012-09-28, 08:57   Link #4219
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Well at this rate Godou would need a power boost, since after reading the previous post it obvious to see, he won't be able to handle future enemies.
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Old 2012-09-28, 09:04   Link #4220
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Well at this rate Godou would need a power boost, since after reading the previous post it obvious to see, he won't be able to handle future enemies.
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