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Old 2012-09-26, 20:56   Link #5381
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Last week IMO it was Matt from the Texans and DHB from the Raiders.
There's no "opinion" to be had here. One lost part of his ear, and the other had to be carted off to the hospital and kept overnight.
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Old 2012-09-26, 23:03   Link #5382
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It's official.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/84...nt-end-lockout

Now we can bitch about the regular refs again! Feels good, man.

A regular crew will report to the Thursday Night Game.
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Old 2012-09-27, 04:06   Link #5383
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^ Yeah .

Really? Thursday Night Game?
I thought they were coming back during thsi weekend games.
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Old 2012-09-27, 04:10   Link #5384
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^ Yeah .

Really? Thursday Night Game?
I thought they were coming back during thsi weekend games.
Thursday games count for the current week. So, the refs. are back for Week 4 -- that includes the Thursday games.
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Old 2012-09-27, 05:45   Link #5385
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And it would be beyond unfair for tonight's game to have to deal with replacements while everyone else got the real ones.
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Old 2012-09-27, 09:02   Link #5386
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On the MSNBC Morning Joe show, they reported that the actual cost to each team would average about $100,000! If anything this whole debacle shows how far wealthy Americans will go anything to break unions. Toss in the hypocrisy of Wisconsin governor Scott Walker throwing his support behind the union refs after his crusade to destroy public employees unions. Of course, in Wisconsin, nothing is more important than those Packers, even education and public safety.
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Old 2012-09-27, 21:24   Link #5387
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And now for this weeks crap…

NYG @ CAR: Tossup (Look at all those flying testicles…)
And Robocop finally started to malfunction…

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STL @ CHI: Chicago (The Rams aren't that good, even if they aren't horrible)
About right.

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BUF @ CLE: Buffalo (Messier than it has to be)
Ditto.

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TB @ DAL: Tampa Bay (Last second bull-rush from coach Jackass FTW)
Well, I was wrong on everything here!

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NYJ @ MIA: Tossup (Watch this yayfest for 20 dollars and a barf bag!)
How long til Tim Tebow?

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SF @ MIN: San Francisco (The only thing that needs to be answered is how badly The Niners will beat The Vikings)
If this game says anything about The Niners, it's that their air game can't carry the rest of team yet, and that Mario Manningham integrating himself into the passing game way faster than I expected. (The absence of Randy Moss so far was something to be expected, given the time it takes for Alex to get in with his Receivers. I'd argue that Harbaugh intentionally brought Moss on board to be the threat of Randy Moss, if not the actual Randy Moss so as to open up plays. And I'd bet that Moss agreed to that role if it meant finally getting his ring and forever one-upping Terrell Owens.)

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KC @ NO: New Orleans (Because there's so far a team as talented as the Saints are can fall before hitting rock bottom. Kansas City on the other hand…)
I stand corrected!

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CIN @ WSH: Washington (RGIII is SuperQuarterback, Andy Dalton has epic shounen hair, there's no contest here)
RGIII may be ham, but The Bengals finally figure how to troll… someone else!

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DET @ TEN: Detroit (Fuck this game…)
I hear this was kinda good…

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JAX @ IND: Jacksonville (Stop #3 on the Andrew Luck Humiliation Conga Express)
And B-Gabby FTW!

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PHI @ ARI: Tossup (Oh, this'll be cartoonish…)
One of Dragonforces songs would make a good theme for The Cards, and this game is so incredibly ironic.

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ATL @ SD: Atlanta (I don't care, I don't give a fuck because whatever)
sgnk.

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HOU @ DEN: Houston (Houston's D make's it rain at Mile High)
Wow, that was good.

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PIT @ OAK: Oakland (Insane? Certainly, but I raise you Carson Palmer's 600 yards in two games and a penalty rate half that of last years)
Damn, that was intense! But the Raiders have always had that flair for the dramatic. I find their games more fun to watch than Niners games.

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NE @ BAL: Baltimore (Because it's time for Joe Flacco to join the elite club)
Panic in Foxbourough and vinidication!

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GB @ SEA: Green Bay (Seattle has no WR's)
FFFFAAAAAAAIIILLLL MMMMAARRRRYYYY!!!!!!

Now for the fun part, WEEK 4!

CLE @ BAL: Baltimore (The Fail fail at existing)

CAR @ ATL: Atlanta (Robocop is steamrolled by ATL)

NE @ BUF: Buffalo (You see that? That's Pats fans having an aneurysm)

MIN @ DET: Detroit (Watch the Decepticons pick up their second win)

SD @ KC: Tossup (Watch the Wild Wild West beat the shit out of each other! It's craptacular)

SEA @ STL: St. Louis (Watch as the epitome of failure trolls the master troll trollingly)

SF @ NYJ: San Francisco (Brandon Jacobs has arrived! Watch the Niners run game go from awesome to god-tier! And they'll never have to worry about 3rd down ever again!)

TEN @ HOU: Texans (Moo-cows continue their rampage through the AFC)

CIN @ JAX: Cincinnati (Sure, B-Gabby's emergin', but The Bengals have arrived!)

MIA @ ARI: Arizona (Watch a franchise with no pride humiliate a once proud franchise)

OAK @ DEN: Tossup (This game comes down to one damn thing, The Raiders offense vs. The Broncos defense)

NO @ GB: Tossup (Now, who wants that No.1 pick more?)

WSH @ TB: Washington (Not even coach Jackass's last second bull rush can beat SuperQuarterback!)

NYG @ PHI: New York Giants (Yeah, The Eagles are gonna start sucking now)
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Old 2012-09-27, 23:29   Link #5388
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My understanding is that it has less to do with current compensation and more to do with retirement funds. All the other leagues converted their referees' pension plans from the traditional system where there are guaranteed returns to a "401K" stock plan where the refs pensions are put into mutual funds that move with the market. As someone who has both, and who watched his 401K halve in value during the 2008 market crash, I can understand why the referees would prefer a traditional pension system.
Can't blame these guys. And I share your pain as I've also seen my portofolio shrink drastically. Either way, it was hilarious when the refs got a standing ovation from the stands when they took the field.

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On the MSNBC Morning Joe show, they reported that the actual cost to each team would average about $100,000! If anything this whole debacle shows how far wealthy Americans will go anything to break unions. Toss in the hypocrisy of Wisconsin governor Scott Walker throwing his support behind the union refs after his crusade to destroy public employees unions. Of course, in Wisconsin, nothing is more important than those Packers, even education and public safety.
Good old Mr. Walker. I saw Paul Ryan's take on it too, and he was equally enlightening.
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Old 2012-09-28, 02:17   Link #5389
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Ravens win of course. Officials were good. Glad they are back.
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Old 2012-09-29, 01:26   Link #5390
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Now, this is interesting.

http://www.american-football-japan.c...ue2012-eng.htm

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L.A. City Council approves plan
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nfl/s...wn-nfl-stadium

And snap.

Y'know. Instead of having a team move to L.A. -- why not have an expansion team instead? A team to call their own -- so that -- I don't know. There becomes less pressure in the future for said team to move out of L.A. The city lacks a true NFL history because a team is not rooted there... like say Chicago, Green Bay, or New York, etc.

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Old 2012-09-29, 03:52   Link #5391
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And snap.

Y'know. Instead of having a team move to L.A. -- why not have an expansion team instead? A team to call their own -- so that -- I don't know. There becomes less pressure in the future for said team to move out of L.A. The city lacks a true NFL history because a team is not rooted there... like say Chicago, Green Bay, or New York, etc.
I remember that there were some documents leaking a few months ago about the NFL in Los Angeles, and they said that the NFL wanted to move one existing team (probably The Chargers) and have one expansion team play in Los Angeles, in the same stadium. While I think that two teams will end up in LA, one of them will be in the other stadium being planned for the region. (It's kind of along the same lines I think The Raiders will end up moving across the bay to San Francisco.)

And I'd say that given The Rams played for almost half a century in LA, they had managed to integrate themselves just fine into the are before they left. (And technically, The LA Rams from 1950 onwards was a result of the merger of the pre-1950 LA Rams and the AAFC Los Angeles Dons, which did start out in LA)
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Old 2012-09-29, 04:16   Link #5392
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Y'know. Instead of having a team move to L.A. -- why not have an expansion team instead? A team to call their own -- so that -- I don't know. There becomes less pressure in the future for said team to move out of L.A. The city lacks a true NFL history because a team is not rooted there... like say Chicago, Green Bay, or New York, etc.
Because the divisions, scheduling, and playoff format would be screwed over yet again. Honestly, 32 teams is enough. We have a system that is easy enough for fans to understand. You play your division, another division in your conference (going through all three every three years), and the winners of the other two division winners within your conference every year plus one division from the other conference (going through four every four years). Personally I like it this way. I know business is business, but hopefully a team ends up moving to Los Angeles (which I don't think will happen for a long time) as long as it isn't the 49ers of course.
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Old 2012-09-29, 11:28   Link #5393
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Y'know. Instead of having a team move to L.A. -- why not have an expansion team instead? A team to call their own -- so that -- I don't know. There becomes less pressure in the future for said team to move out of L.A. The city lacks a true NFL history because a team is not rooted there... like say Chicago, Green Bay, or New York, etc.
Because you'd have to completely dismantle the way the current system works. 32 teams. 2 conferences with 16 teams each. 16 games. 4 divisions per conference, 4 teams per conference.

Really, the only way you wouldn't be tearing down the entire system is to bring in 8 new teams, to either give each conference a new division, or each division a new team.
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Because you'd have to completely dismantle the way the current system works. 32 teams. 2 conferences with 16 teams each. 16 games. 4 divisions per conference, 4 teams per conference.

Really, the only way you wouldn't be tearing down the entire system is to bring in 8 new teams, to either give each conference a new division, or each division a new team.
Remember. There used to be 3 divisions per conference. And for each conference: one of the divisions had one less than the other two. If they can work it out then, they can work it out again.
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Old 2012-09-29, 19:12   Link #5395
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Just because they did something before doesn't mean it'd be a good idea to break a perfectly good system just to get more teams. Especially when there are so many cities that only barely sustain the teams they have now.
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Old 2012-09-29, 21:04   Link #5396
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There is a such thing as over-saturation and more teams would be that for the NFL.

Why try to change something that has as perfect a setup that the NFL has right now?

Back when the NFL had 3 divisions per conference, there was clear room to grow with some untapped major markets. Now, all they have is LA, which could simply get the Jaguars and have them swap with another team (Chiefs, Rams to the AFC South) to make it fit logistically.
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Old 2012-09-29, 22:38   Link #5397
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There is a such thing as over-saturation and more teams would be that for the NFL.

Why try to change something that has as perfect a setup that the NFL has right now?

Back when the NFL had 3 divisions per conference, there was clear room to grow with some untapped major markets. Now, all they have is LA, which could simply get the Jaguars and have them swap with another team (Chiefs, Rams to the AFC South) to make it fit logistically.
LA isn't the only untapped market out there. I'd say there's about another half-dozen markets in the US that could support an NFL team.
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Old 2012-09-29, 22:46   Link #5398
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The NFL has no other interest outside of LA in the US. Goddell is talking about going international after LA, which even more ridiculous unless is something near the border in Canada, like Toronto or Vancouver.

And oversaturation would still be a problem, not every one million+ residence metropolitan area needs a NFL team just cuz.
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Old 2012-09-29, 23:10   Link #5399
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The NFL has no other interest outside of LA in the US. Goddell is talking about going international after LA, which even more ridiculous unless is something near the border in Canada, like Toronto or Vancouver.

And oversaturation would still be a problem, not every one million+ residence metropolitan area needs a NFL team just cuz.
I really don't over saturation is a problem, if anything (because of lack of a true minor league outside of college) pro football is a little undersaturated. And I'm not arguing for every million+ area, just for expansion to 40 teams.
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Old 2012-09-29, 23:33   Link #5400
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And oversaturation would still be a problem, not every one million+ residence metropolitan area needs a NFL team just cuz.
Do me a favor and count the number of Division I football teams.
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