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Old 2012-10-03, 18:11   Link #881
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Not much use, a background in engineering, science or production techniques doesn't bring any advantage to economic policy making. At the core it's all just understanding applied math and statistics.

It's an interesting group Romney has gathered, but fairly skewed towards free-market oligarchy hardliners.
Fixed. They saw how well Gazprom is doing in their old enemy's land and wanted the same thing too.

A free market is fine. So is capitalism. But corporatism and plutocracy isn't.
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Old 2012-10-03, 19:20   Link #882
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A free market is fine. So is capitalism. But corporatism and plutocracy isn't.
Requoted for great truth. There really IS a difference.
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Old 2012-10-03, 19:37   Link #883
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At least I know Mankiw isn't an oligarchist.
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Old 2012-10-03, 20:00   Link #884
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Many of you have seen the 2007 speech in which then-Senator Obama suggested that because of racism the federal government didn’t waive the Stafford Act to assist New Orleans after Katrina. What you may not know is that 10 days before Senator Obama gave this speech, the federal government did in fact waive the Stafford Act for New Orleans. And to add insult to injury, Barack Obama was one of 14 senators who actually voted against the bill that included the provision to give supplemental emergency assistance to New Orleans. In other words, he was being dishonest and divisive, which is behavior we’ve sadly seen far too often from him in the last four years.
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Old 2012-10-03, 20:24   Link #885
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Romeny is commanding the stage. He's being very loose with facts, and the sopihstry is strong within him, but he is still commanding the stage. He's eloquent and persuasive without being too domineering. Quite strong. I will say that he needs to look into the camera more (he talks to the President too much, not the people).

No moderation from Jim Lehrer, though.
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Old 2012-10-03, 20:34   Link #886
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I can't stand listening to it. Both of them were annoying the hell out of me. Romney's continuing "of being loose with facts" as james put it just gets on my nerves.
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Old 2012-10-03, 20:58   Link #887
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As the "debate" continues, Romney is becoming more domineering (and weirdly smug for someone that isnlying or at least omitting the truth quite a bit), especially as he cavalierly interupts Lehrer and Obama (Lehrer has been just awful as a moderator). But, Obama has been way too laid back. He definitely has more facts on his side, but he has been unable or unwilling to actually act on his actual facts.
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:15   Link #888
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yes, I predicted Lehrer would fail... he can't keep control. Someone with more authority and strength is needed for this sort of thing. Romney's "centrist veneer" is cratering and I'm wondering how many extreme right wingers he's scaring. otoh, Obama has missed a half dozen chances to skewer Romney myths (e.g. the $700B nonsense).

Romney is at his best when he's not ACTUALLY SAYING anything ... in other words, wrapping himself in flag and country instead of providing answers.
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:19   Link #889
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Lehrer has really done an abysmally bad job moderating this debate. Maybe he is shook up over the scandal that destroyed his lying, cheat, son but there is really no excuse for this kind of performance at a presidential debate.
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:23   Link #890
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It's kind of weird that Romney took up 60 + percent of the time.

Obama has failed in terms of truly stating his points, and he has allowed Romney to run all over him. By acting like an adult (and not the smirking silliness that Romney has slowly become during the course of this debate), he has been lost in Romney's flow.
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:26   Link #891
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This is embarrassing to watch. I wonder how many pages Romney's lies and omissions of truth tonight could fill.
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:26   Link #892
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Fact numbers that both sides were using:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/04/us...y-numbers.html

The problem is --- when Romney plays "CEO who isn't used to being interrupted" it takes a lot of energy to skewer each bit of nonsense. And Obama didn't do as well as he needed, imo.
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:30   Link #893
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I expect Obama has decided to let the Economic debate slide (it was always going to be his weakest area, so he could have decided to minimize the damage) so as to focus on the foreign policy and townhall debates.
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As the "debate" continues, Romney is becoming more domineering (and weirdly smug for someone that isnlying or at least omitting the truth quite a bit), especially as he cavalierly interupts Lehrer and Obama (Lehrer has been just awful as a moderator). But, Obama has been way too laid back. He definitely has more facts on his side, but he has been unable or unwilling to actually act on his actual facts.
Sometimes being too nice of a guy could hurt you, like what's happening to Obama right now.

Romney is acting like a total ass, but I don't think Obama has the strength to stand up to him...
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:32   Link #895
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Given the way many viewers use gut instead of head, we can assume that Romney smirk might make more difference than what Obama says (see prior president debates for likewise failing moments).
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:50   Link #896
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I must say I'm very disappointed at how Obama didn't throw his weight around to try KO Romney with more punch in his arguments early on. Is it some trend for running-for-re-election presidents to let the first debate slip like that?

Just stop being nice already, Barack. Just make the challenger taste the floor next time.
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Old 2012-10-03, 21:53   Link #897
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I must say I'm very disappointed at how Obama didn't throw his weight around to try KO Romney with more punch in his arguments early on. Is it some trend for running-for-re-election presidents to let the first debate slip like that?

Just stop being nice already, Barack. Just make the challenger taste the floor next time.
Obama, always with his sense of humour, is trying to get Romney to talk himself into oblivion. Using solely the pressure of inaction.

An age old tactic of social engineering that never fails against a know-nothing.
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Old 2012-10-03, 22:18   Link #898
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The only logical conclusion after this debate....


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People Should Start to Practice the Words 'President Romney'.
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Old 2012-10-03, 22:25   Link #899
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They should be practicing "Four legs good, two legs better."
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Old 2012-10-03, 22:29   Link #900
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I've never had anything nice to say about Michael Moore. I still don't.
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