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Old 2012-10-05, 04:08   Link #1601
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1) confirmed.

2) confirmed.

3) confirmed, though KYH still had more points than him and he wanted to wait longer to have more points to fall back on. There were rumours of special rules once you reach Lvl 9 at the time, and Edge volunteered to go to lvl9 first so KYH won't get blindsided. KYH declined, saying other legion masters/Kings have reached lvl9 (only one mentioned was Grande, he already got his Shield by this time) and she can't fall behind.

4)confirmed. Lotus can't beat Edge, because a) he's her teacher and more experienced, and b) has high enough stats on his swords to prevent KYH's 'Absolute Sword' skill that one-hit-kills anything weaker than her. at the time, the only ones that matched it was: Defensive stats, only Grande, Offensive stats only Edge's sword had it. Yellow Radio's sceptre had a skill that the more times it's spun the higher it's stats get, so if given enough time it can match Lotus' swords.

5)False, this was not a hint at all. The context was if Graphite became Lvl9 and the next King, Current joked they should call him the 'Pencil King' and Maiden asked what's a pencil. Edge denied he's not that soft/breakable (graphite breaks easily), and Current shot back once he fought Purple Thorn she punched his armour in, and this was done with plenty of witnesses around.
KYH guessed Edge is around the same age as she is, though she has no proof whatsoever.

6) Two sword style, confirmed. (as seen in illustration)
6b) Starburst Stream was not even mentioned in this side story. I have no clue where people got this from... besides, when did KYH used Starburst Stream again?

Starburst Stream was used as Lotus's IS(Assuming the translation is correct) against Suzaku in their return rescue mission. And the move that was mentioned being taught by Edge was a move that allows Lotus to cut down things long range with a red light.(Which was also used to win the last fight btw KYH vs Edge)

Also, some interesting things to note.
1) The decision for Lotus' leveling stats to be pumped into 1v1 close range and her 4 sword limbs were made by Edge.

2) Lotus + Elements all focused on 1 stat when using their leveling bonus. Maiden went for long range firepower, Current went for his/her water armor, Raker went for her jetpack stats... And Pile, went to spent his leveling bonuses on new skills(which caused him to be the most well-rounded/weak in NN depending on how you see it).

3) If your character is weak after enough level, you can pretty much blame yourself for screwing up where you pumped in the leveling bonuses IMO. The system is fair to everyone in which it gives enough options on where they want to pump it in. Crow got 4 options on what to level:
  • Rapid Knuckle, a move that allows you to close your range while launching multiple hits.
  • Radial Shot, a move that allows you to shoot 3 metallic arrows from your arm(Considered by Haru to be the most attractive at that time)
  • Hard Armagh, strengthen your metal armor
  • Increase flying stats
So for those complaining why Crow has no other normal skills other than flying, here's your answer. Also, we can assume that at least, metallic avatars can build their avatars in different directions(long/close range). Similiarly, Lotus could choose from long range, aoe skills, or enhanced armnament when she was low level.

4) Story happens a week after Current saved Crow from his level 2 disaster(not enough buffer points) when Haru is still considering what to choose for his leveling option.

5) You can choose your leveling bonus right in the middle of battle(I believe this is the most important part, as we might see Current spamming all her leveling bonus in one shot in V13)

6) KYH believed that the reason she got Terminating Sword was due to her being specialised enough to receive it. So Crow might get a reward when he reaches that stage.
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Old 2012-10-05, 07:17   Link #1602
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Yea, a brief stint running an Accel World RP site revealed that the most specialised players are usually the strongest.
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Old 2012-10-05, 07:56   Link #1603
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Thanks, Flere821 for the clarification.

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Starburst Stream was used as Lotus's IS(Assuming the translation is correct) against Suzaku in their return rescue mission. And the move that was mentioned being taught by Edge was a move that allows Lotus to cut down things long range with a red light.(Which was also used to win the last fight btw KYH vs Edge)

2) Lotus + Elements all focused on 1 stat when using their leveling bonus. Maiden went for long range firepower, Current went for his/her water armor, Raker went for her jetpack stats... And Pile, went to spent his leveling bonuses on new skills(which caused him to be the most well-rounded/weak in NN depending on how you see it).

3) If your character is weak after enough level, you can pretty much blame yourself for screwing up where you pumped in the leveling bonuses IMO. The system is fair to everyone in which it gives enough options on where they want to pump it in. Crow got 4 options on what to level:
  • Rapid Knuckle, a move that allows you to close your range while launching multiple hits.
  • Radial Shot, a move that allows you to shoot 3 metallic arrows from your arm(Considered by Haru to be the most attractive at that time)
  • Hard Armagh, strengthen your metal armor
  • Increase flying stats
So for those complaining why Crow has no other normal skills other than flying, here's your answer. Also, we can assume that at least, metallic avatars can build their avatars in different directions(long/close range). Similiarly, Lotus could choose from long range, aoe skills, or enhanced armnament when she was low level.

5) You can choose your leveling bonus right in the middle of battle(I believe this is the most important part, as we might see Current spamming all her leveling bonus in one shot in V13)

6) KYH believed that the reason she got Terminating Sword was due to her being specialised enough to receive it. So Crow might get a reward when he reaches that stage.
So it is not the multihit combo of that person. Too bad. It somewhat proves that AW is mainly paying homage to SAO.

2) STR build for BL. "INT" build for AM. STA or DEF build for AC. AGI or SPD build for SR. Skill or Hybrid build for Pile...? Wait a minute, I thought GE invested also into attack specifically his twin blades. Why is CP included? Are you referring to CP or GE?

3) So SC does have a long range move but he sacrificed that for flight time and speed. Hopefully, this sacrifice won't be in vain.

5) That would be a sight to see. From Level 1 jumps to Level 7 or 8. I would love to see AA's Oh C**p face.

6) I am guessing SC would receive an EA(most likely armor) that amps his speed and agility even further. Something resembling Kampfer.
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Old 2012-10-05, 08:05   Link #1604
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5) That would be a sight to see. From Level 1 jumps to Level 7 or 8. I would love to see AA's Oh C**p face.
Though from what I can remember, Current was confident enough to win against Array, despite being LvL 1?
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Old 2012-10-05, 08:08   Link #1605
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Say, what do you think are the party roles of each member of the NN?

So far, I think Pile, Bell, and Current can tank on a constant basis (but Bell is their healer, so that leaves Pile and Current), though Lotus can tank just fine, she's simply designated as the main damage dealer. Because, there's still the problem of insanely long casting times for Maiden's skills.

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Say, don't you think the line-up is pretty thin? I know each one of them is quite overpowered on their own, but still.

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Though from what I can remember, Current was confident enough to win against Array, despite being LvL 1?
Could be that, or Array's scared of fighting Current because losing to her would cost Array a lot of points.
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Old 2012-10-05, 10:26   Link #1606
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Thanks, Flere821 for the clarification.



So it is not the multihit combo of that person. Too bad. It somewhat proves that AW is mainly paying homage to SAO.

2) STR build for BL. "INT" build for AM. STA or DEF build for AC. AGI or SPD build for SR. Skill or Hybrid build for Pile...? Wait a minute, I thought GE invested also into attack specifically his twin blades. Why is CP included? Are you referring to CP or GE?

3) So SC does have a long range move but he sacrificed that for flight time and speed. Hopefully, this sacrifice won't be in vain.

5) That would be a sight to see. From Level 1 jumps to Level 7 or 8. I would love to see AA's Oh C**p face.

6) I am guessing SC would receive an EA(most likely armor) that amps his speed and agility even further. Something resembling Kampfer.
Included Pile as a counterexample as more Taku sufferings. Other than legion wars, he pretty much had nowhere to contribute in the major battles. Also, I wouldn't really consider classifying their builds as stats. I would rather classify their leveling bonuses as increasing the specific skill/armnament level.

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Say, what do you think are the party roles of each member of the NN?

So far, I think Pile, Bell, and Current can tank on a constant basis (but Bell is their healer, so that leaves Pile and Current), though Lotus can tank just fine, she's simply designated as the main damage dealer. Because, there's still the problem of insanely long casting times for Maiden's skills.

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Say, don't you think the line-up is pretty thin? I know each one of them is quite overpowered on their own, but still.



Could be that, or Array's scared of fighting Current because losing to her would cost Array a lot of points.
If you're referring to party settings in PVE(vs enemies rather than legion wars), this would be a more accurate setting as shown in the novels if we are using the rescue mission as a setting:

DD: Lotus, Edge, Maiden
Tank: Pile, Current(?)(Current can't really be classified as he/she is not in the colour chart and is at level 1 when shown)
Support: Crow, Raker, Bell(Double as tank when needed)

Why would I throw Raker and Crow into support rows: Their purpose is not to DD, as their firepower is limited and have to depend on their momentum while flying to deal damage. Instead, their flying abilities would be better off transporting the DDs for strategic purposes. The ICBM strategy was created based on this idea, and is still used to a certain extent in the rescue mission. And Bell can pretty much spam time reversal to ensure their power gauge are still there.
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Old 2012-10-05, 11:53   Link #1607
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Why? Electronics have taken the place of stationary in their time period. It would be rare to see pencil and paper since virtually everything is computerized. Especially with the nerve gear in the younger generations. That thing is basically the iphone 12 or something to that extent.
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Old 2012-10-05, 14:42   Link #1608
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^ meant for ronelm2000
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Old 2012-10-05, 23:44   Link #1609
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Starburst Stream was used as Lotus's IS(Assuming the translation is correct) against Suzaku in their return rescue mission. And the move that was mentioned being taught by Edge was a move that allows Lotus to cut down things long range with a red light.(Which was also used to win the last fight btw KYH vs Edge)
I think the English translation is off... Chinese version SAO have Kirito's Starburst Stream as "星爆气流斩", while the move KYH pulled in Vol8 against Suzaku was "星光连流击". I really don't think this is a mistranslation on the Chinese's side, especially when Starburst Stream was stated to have 27 chained hits while KYH's 星光连流击 only has 16 shots.
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Old 2012-10-06, 06:37   Link #1610
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I think the English translation is off... Chinese version SAO have Kirito's Starburst Stream as "星爆气流斩", while the move KYH pulled in Vol8 against Suzaku was "星光连流击". I really don't think this is a mistranslation on the Chinese's side, especially when Starburst Stream was stated to have 27 chained hits while KYH's 星光连流击 only has 16 shots.
Actually [Starburst Stream] is 16-hit, while [The Eclipse] is 27-hit.
Tried with google translate, but the translation was pretty useless
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Old 2012-10-06, 08:18   Link #1611
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If you're referring to party settings in PVE(vs enemies rather than legion wars), this would be a more accurate setting as shown in the novels if we are using the rescue mission as a setting:

DD: Lotus, Edge, Maiden
Tank: Pile, Current(?)(Current can't really be classified as he/she is not in the colour chart and is at level 1 when shown)
Support: Crow, Raker, Bell(Double as tank when needed)

Why would I throw Raker and Crow into support rows: Their purpose is not to DD, as their firepower is limited and have to depend on their momentum while flying to deal damage. Instead, their flying abilities would be better off transporting the DDs for strategic purposes. The ICBM strategy was created based on this idea, and is still used to a certain extent in the rescue mission. And Bell can pretty much spam time reversal to ensure their power gauge are still there.
So that Maiden can deal Death From Above! Awesome!
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Old 2012-10-06, 19:32   Link #1612
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Included Pile as a counterexample as more Taku sufferings. Other than legion wars, he pretty much had nowhere to contribute in the major battles. Also, I wouldn't really consider classifying their builds as stats. I would rather classify their leveling bonuses as increasing the specific skill/armnament level.
Ah... I see. Seriously, Taku what were you thinking. A variety of skills means nothing if you get owned many times by specialists. In a way, Haru was wise enough to go for the specialized route. Whether it pays off, remains to be seen.

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Actually [Starburst Stream] is 16-hit, while [The Eclipse] is 27-hit.
Tried with google translate, but the translation was pretty useless
Tried IMTranslator. Also useless. We just have to wait for the translations.
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Old 2012-10-06, 19:43   Link #1613
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Tried IMTranslator. Also useless. We just have to wait for the translations.
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(Excerpt from Wiki JP) デュエルアバターは純色の黒であり、黒の王。『ネガ・ネビュラス』のレギオンマスター。「絶対切断(ワール ド・エンド)」の二つ名を持つ。また七王会議で王の一人を不意打ちした事から「秩序の破壊者」とも呼ばれて いる。デュエルアバターは両手両足が剣で出来ており、防御行動すら攻撃になる近接攻撃のスペシャリスト。四 肢の剣は常時発動型アビリティ《終決之剣(ターミネート・ソード)》となっており、破壊不可能である「地形 」をも切断することが出来る『絶対切断属性』を象徴する。相手の攻撃を受け流しそのまま攻撃に転じる「柔法 」を得意としており、本人曰く横浜の中華街エリアで身に付けたらしい。絶大な戦闘力を誇るものの過去に先代 赤の王レッド・ライダーを禁じ手である心意システムを使用して倒したり、盟友スカイ・レイカーの足を自身の 怒りを込めて切断したことなどの幼かった頃の自らの判断が未だにトラウマとなっており、それを突かれること で戦意を喪失してしまうことがあるなど、精神面ではやや脆い一面もある。実はこの不意打ちは彼女の「親」で あり姉でもある白の王、ホワイト・コスモスに唆されたことで行ったもの。その数ヵ月後に騙されていたことに 気づいた際にナイフで現実の彼女に怪我を負わせてしまい、精神治療の名目で生家を追い出されている。謡や楓 子の態度から二人はその事情を知っていると思われる。
登場している必殺技は、腕からの突き技『宣告・貫通による死(デス・バイ・ピアーシング)』、両腕で抱くよ うにして敵を切断する『宣告・抱擁による死(デス・バイ・エンブレイシング)』、脚からの連続蹴り『宣告・ 連撃による死(デス・バイ・バラージング)』。また、心意技に射程・威力拡張の複合技『奪命撃(ヴォーパル ・ストライク)』、両腕の剣に八つの星の輝きを宿して攻撃する『星光連流撃(スターバーストストリーム)』を持つ。
As you can see it is Star Burst Stream(『星光連流撃(スターバーストストリーム)』)
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Old 2012-10-10, 00:55   Link #1614
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But still, how did Star Burst Stream become a red type attack(long range)? The original attack is supposed to be close range. Did KYH modify it?
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Old 2012-10-11, 08:46   Link #1615
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Not sure if it's in the LN , but I remember watching KYH perform some kind of "Mode Green" maneuver in the Okinawa episode. Unless it's non-cannon or a poor translation, her avatar seems to have a kind of affinity with other colors?
I wouldn't be surprised really. And It's not like she's overpowered or anything. It may just be another facet of her personality/avatar
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Old 2012-10-11, 14:57   Link #1616
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Not sure if it's in the LN , but I remember watching KYH perform some kind of "Mode Green" maneuver in the Okinawa episode. Unless it's non-cannon or a poor translation, her avatar seems to have a kind of affinity with other colors?
I wouldn't be surprised really. And It's not like she's overpowered or anything. It may just be another facet of her personality/avatar
It's one of her abilities.

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Her Brain Burst avatar is Black Lotus, also known as "World End," a slender robot with a feminine form which features limbs ending in sharp blades. These weapons instantly cut anything they touch due to the "Absolute Cutting Property" the avatar possesses, which has the side effect of permanently removing whatever is cut from an opponent's avatar. However, the blades have a frail lateral portion that breaks after receiving too much damage. To compensate for this weakness, Kuroyukihime developed a technique she calls "Soft Act". Black Lotus has three special abilities: Death by Barraging, Death by Embracing, which was used on Red Rider, and Death by Piercing, a one-hit-kill direct attack; and two incarnate system skills: Vorpal Strike and Star Burst Stream. Lotus also displays an ability called Overdrive: Mode Green, which causes the purple parts of its body to turn green and increase its speed and attack power for a limited time. Lacking feet, Black Lotus hovers slightly off the ground via air jets on the legs, with which it is able to achieve inc
It's why among other things she was able to just cleave through all of those duel avatars in the fight with Yellow Radio like they weren't even there and why restraints just plain don't work on her. Her blades are so offensively strong that they are their own defense save for that one weak spot she sometimes uses sometimes like when she hugs Haru in her duel avatar form in a couple episodes.
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Weak spot? You mean the other side of her blades? I know not every part of her body will cut. She can be picked-up, grabbed at the shoulder/waist ect.. without harming whoever or whatever is touching her. I believe she once tried to turn her blade-arm into a hand with I.S. So her absolute cutting edge has loop-holes(through her own will or with I.S ability) in a few cases. It may also be the case that once an avatar looses the will to fight through "zero field" or whatever, their avatars physical properties fail to manifest? Anyway I digress.

It was the color issue that had my curiosity. About orpheus2's comment and her moves namesakes. She might have even been able to learn lvl up moves with "color" names? Seems like a mystery.

*The affect of absolute cutting is not really permanent. Raker is an example. As well as other duel avatars that have been cut down by it. They will not re-spawn without a head or diced up in cubes. Also where aside from wikipedia is it stated that it increases her atk/spd? The LN?
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Old 2012-10-12, 22:52   Link #1618
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Weak spot? You mean the other side of her blades? I know not every part of her body will cut. She can be picked-up, grabbed at the shoulder/waist ect.. without harming whoever or whatever is touching her. I believe she once tried to turn her blade-arm into a hand with I.S. So her absolute cutting edge has loop-holes(through her own will or with I.S ability) in a few cases. It may also be the case that once an avatar looses the will to fight through "zero field" or whatever, their avatars physical properties fail to manifest? Anyway I digress.
Yup, you can break her blades if you hit it enough times.

Don't trust the English wikipedia article yet. It is still incomplete. If you can read Japanese, try the Japanese wikipedia version. It is a lot more complete.

Regarding to the "modes" according to Mixed Milkshake from Random Curiosity, her modes is not IS but rather some form of self suggestion to inherit properties from the pure colors. So far, she can do green, blue and red. Just check the randomc review of episode 19 in the comments section.

Now then, I read the second part of Volume 7, Chapter 1.

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Now then, I read the second part of Volume 7, Chapter 1.

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IIRC, only memory loss. Those two never show up outside AW anyway so we can't be sure.
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Mhm, I read about that on Bakatsuki a little while back. Also I didn't trust the Wikipedia entry in the quoted source so I asked if there was another reference I could look at.

Unfortunately, I only barely know some conversational(beginner) japanese. Like how to ask for directions to Shinjuku train station or something to that effect. If it were french I'd be much better off. That wont happen anytime soon though. I'm really interested in Milkshakes comment. Was it gathered as factual info or is it an inference? ;x
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