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Old 2012-10-10, 21:06   Link #1201
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Talk about a snapshot of why the USA is on the slippery slope of dark oblivion.
A politician than would ''dare'' call this out would end up targeted as elitist or anti-america.
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Old 2012-10-10, 21:44   Link #1202
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A politician than would ''dare'' call this out would end up targeted as elitist or anti-america.
Which is crazy, because when a political party does something as anti-America as, well, crashing the country and the economy for the sake of a higher chance of re-election sooner rather than later, they do just fine and even get away with it.

Heck, you have millions of Americans yearning for them to get back into power, even. 'Americuh' and all that jazz. ...
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Old 2012-10-10, 22:38   Link #1203
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After the debate, which a lot of people think Romney 'won' (which is crazy, he didn't even stand by his positions and a lot of his points of debate didn't hold up well), people say Romney has regained some ground. Has it hurt the Obama campaign much? I see ABC News hyping this up, but I don't know how much of it is true, and how much of it is ABC News hyping things up (as we all know, TV News broadcasts always hype up things).

How negative has it been for the Obama campaign? Are their chances still good, it is just that Obama pretty much had an oppurtunity to send the Romney campaign to it's grave that night?

How is Obama doing in the swing states, generally speaking, compared to Romney? How is he fairing a week or so after the debate? I know he had a good lead.
The Pew poll is devastating, just devastating. Before the debate, Obama had a 51 - 43 lead; now, Romney has a 49 - 45 lead. That's a simply unprecedented reversal for a candidate in October. Before Obama had leads on every policy issue and personal characteristic; now Romney leads in almost all of them. Obama's performance gave Romney a 12 point swing! I repeat: a 12 point swing.

Romney's favorables are above Obama's now. Yes, you read that right. Romney's favorables are higher than Obama's right now. That gender gap that was Obama's firewall? Over in one night:[/b]

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Currently, women are evenly divided (47% Obama, 47% Romney). Last month, Obama led Romney by 18 points (56% to 38%) among women likely voters.
Seriously: has that kind of swing ever happened this late in a campaign? Has any candidate lost 18 points among women voters in one night ever? And we are told that when Obama left the stage that night, he was feeling good. That's terrifying. On every single issue, Obama has instantly plummeted into near-oblivion. He still has some personal advantages over Romney - even though they are all much diminished.[/COLOR] Obama still has an edge on Medicare, scores much higher on relating to ordinary people, is ahead on foreign policy, and on being moderate, consistent and honest (only 14 percent of swing voters believe Romney is honest). But on the core issues of the economy and the deficit, Romney is now kicking the president's ass:

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By a 37% to 24% margin, more swing voters say Romney would improve the job situation. Swing voters favor Romney on the deficit by a two-to-one (41% vs. 20%) margin.... Romney has gained ground on several of these measures since earlier in the campaign. Most notably, Obama and Romney now run even (44% each) in terms of which candidate is the stronger leader. Obama held a 13-point advantage on this a month ago. And Obama’s 14-point edge as the more honest and truthful candidate has narrowed to just five points. In June, Obama held a 17-point lead as the candidate voters thought was more willing to work with leaders from the other party. Today, the candidates run about even on this (45% say Obama, 42% Romney).
Lies work when they are unrebutted live on stage. And momentum counts at this point in the election.

Now look at Pew's question as to who would help the middle class the most:


Look: I'm trying to rally some morale, but I've never seen a candidate this late in the game, so far ahead, just throw in the towel in the way Obama did last week - throw away almost every single advantage he had with voters and manage to enable his opponent to seem as if he cares about the middle class as much as Obama does. How do you erase that imprinted first image from public consciousness: a president incapable of making a single argument or even a halfway decent closing statement? And after Romney's convincing Etch-A-Sketch, convincing because Obama was incapable of exposing it, Romney is now the centrist candidate, even as he is running to head up the most radical party in the modern era.

How can Obama come back? By ensuring people know that Romney was and is a shameless liar and opportunist? That doesn't work for a sitting president. He always needed a clear positive proposal - tax reform, a Grand Bargain on S-B lines - as well as a sterling defense of his admirable record. Bill Clinton did the former for him. Everyone imaginable did what they could for him. And his response? Well, let's look back a bit:[/b]

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With President Obama holed up in a Nevada resort for debate practice, things can get pretty boring on the White House beat right now. Pretty boring for Obama too, apparently. "Basically they're keeping me indoors all the time," Obama told a supporter on the phone during a visit to a Las Vegas area field office. "It's a drag," he added. "They're making me do my homework."
Too arrogant to take a core campaign responsibility seriously. Too arrogant to give his supporters what they deserve. If he now came out and said he supports Simpson-Bowles in its entirety, it would look desperate, but now that Romney has junked every proposal he ever told his base, and we're in mid-October, it's Obama's only chance on the economy.

Or maybe, just maybe, Obama can regain our trust and confidence somehow in the next debate. Maybe he can begin to give us a positive vision of what he wants to do (amazing that it's October and some of us are still trying to help him, but he cannot). Maybe if Romney can turn this whole campaign around in 90 minutes, Obama can now do the same. But I doubt it. [COLOR="Red"]A sitting president does not recover from being obliterated on substance, style and likability in the first debate and get much of a chance to come back. He has, at a critical moment, deeply depressed his base and his supporters and independents are flocking to Romney in droves.

I've never seen a candidate self-destruct for no external reason this late in a campaign before. Gore was better in his first debate - and he threw a solid lead into the trash that night. Even Bush was better in 2004 than Obama last week. Even Reagan's meandering mess in 1984 was better - and he had approaching Alzheimer's to blame.

I'm trying to see a silver lining. But when a president self-immolates on live TV, and his opponent shines with lies and smiles, and a record number of people watch, it's hard to see how a president and his party recover. I'm not giving up. If the lies and propaganda of the last four years work even after Obama had managed to fight back solidly against them to get a clear and solid lead in critical states, then reality-based government is over in this country again. We're back to Bush-Cheney, but more extreme. We have to find a way to avoid that. Much, much more than Obama's vanity is at stake.

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The preceding is from someone who is down for B. Hussein 0bama no matter what.... But that fateful day on Oct. 4 has left this flaming lib d-crat pro-Team 0bama shaken to the core. Word on the internets is that this unhinged man is on suicide watch after the day 0bama played 'Nice Negro'

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Old 2012-10-10, 22:55   Link #1204
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Now now, I think it's now reasonable to contemplate Obama is no longer motivated for the job...
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Old 2012-10-10, 23:12   Link #1205
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I knew Flying was gonna respond, and he is exactly who I didn't want a response from. I want a real response to my inquiries, not this political fanboyism we see from Flying.

And Flying, you don't even care that Romney lied, or changed his positions on everything, or that he did not debate with good points a lot of times during the debate. You just care that Romney 'won' the debate. You want Obama out of office so badly, but why would you want Romney in office? What do you like about your candidate of choice, Mitt Romney? You must like what he stands for...oh, nobody really knows what that is. It can't be that. He changes positions on things so frequently. At the debate, he didn't stand with many positions he had months leading up to the debate. He'll say anything to get into office. We don't know what his real stance is on a lot of things. Yet you are clamoring for this guy to get in. Why? And the GOP has used and abused America and it's citizen for a better chance at being elected in 2012. Why are you so adamant to support them despite that?

It's all just a game to you, Flying. We'll have the election in November, and maybe (hopefully) Obama will win. If he doesn't, I'll just say, be careful what you wish for, Flying...
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Old 2012-10-10, 23:13   Link #1206
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I think it's now reasonable to contemplate Obama is no longer motivated for the job...
Never say never. The deeply committed will still march on 'till the end.

Here's the perfect example below...




***** WORLD EXCLUSIVE *****


... a look inside and the great lengths this pro-0bama group (and others like it) will push the envelope to assure Total Victory.


I won't spoil it but the clip ends with a challenge for The Media: “Put your reputation on the line, journalists. Say this is an ‘isolated incident.’”
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Old 2012-10-10, 23:22   Link #1207
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... a look inside and the great lengths this pro-0bama group (and others like it) will push the envelope to assure Total Victory.[/b][/center]

I didn't check it out, but something tells me it isn't as bad as crashing the nation and the economy for 4 years straight in order to try to ensure victory. Well, tell us, Flying, is it?
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Old 2012-10-10, 23:30   Link #1208
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I didn't check it out
oh you will once you passively encounter it on The Big Three off-air and Big Three cable news... but the former will suuure downplay its significance
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Old 2012-10-10, 23:39   Link #1209
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Not that I question your impartiality, but I was wondering 1) whether this debate went on during the last election and 2) how flying reacted after Obama won against McCain?
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Old 2012-10-10, 23:45   Link #1210
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For now it's still too early to decide. But consider this : Have 4 years of failure, reigning over intransigent legislature and constantly being framed as non-citizen Islamosocialist possible-Anti Christ really sucked Obama dry ? Honestly I think we can safely consider for "yes" for the answer.

We'll see if Obama can come back with anything. Short of that, then Obama has officially been cemented as the most spectacular jellyfish-in-chief United States of America has ever had.

Even otherwise, Obama's second term will most likely oversee the continuation of last 4 years' gridlock, death threats, incremental reforms of the "one step forward, two step back" sort, since this time Obama will lose the legislature completely, and the GOP lurching further and further to the Right as a reaction to Obama's win. For the last part, it will be mainly due to Romney's current ideological inconsistencies. Whether Romney is being sincere with that though, best to be confirmed after his election. But should that actually be the case, he'll may be able to put the break on GOP's ever-progressing fascification. And for once, his election will finally grant US a government capable of passing an agenda. Unfortunately, it will be spent on mobilizing the entire country for suicide bombing to Iran.....
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Old 2012-10-10, 23:47   Link #1211
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oh you will once you passively encounter it on The Big Three off-air and Big Three cable news... but the former will suuure downplay its significance
I watched the video.

1) You don't suspect republicans will be in on voter fraud, either? You don't think they won't play dirty like that? In many states across the country, republicans have attempted something worse than some people wanting to vote for Obama more than once. Republican officials tried to pass new voter registration laws that would purposefully be a hassle to many people (probably millions of people) who would be likely to vote democrat. You are aware of this whole thing (thankfully, many states saw what the republican officials were up to and didn't pass the changes they proposed).

2) So...you gonna answer my question? Is the fact that a relatively small amount of Obama supporters want to vote for Obama more than once worse than what the GOP has been doing to America for the sake of better chances of winning the 2012 election? The answer is of course not.

Put your pom-poms down and take off the cheerleader dress and get mad about things that are really worth getting worked up about.
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Old 2012-10-11, 01:13   Link #1212
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This is why we can't have nice things. One or two people splort fonts and texts that make it impossible to have an actual discussion. "Pompoms and flag waving" pretty much sums up the depth of the content.
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Old 2012-10-11, 01:49   Link #1213
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Flying, you have to realize that Romney is no better than Obama.
I mean, C'mon dude, do you think Romney is going to do anything different than Obama?
The foreign policy won't change a bit, except that a war with Iran will now be more palitable to the American public with a Republicrat in charge.

This dog and pony show has been going on since the turn of the 20th century, never mind the 21st.
To think that anything is going to get better fiscally or socially under either side of the "Big Party" is wishful thinking, and nothing more.
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Old 2012-10-11, 02:03   Link #1214
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One thing I don't like is when someone that is clearly for a candidate continues to dodge the question as to "why they want this person in the White House?" It makes it extremely difficulty for people in the middle (like myself) to form a balanced opinion on something if those on one side won't say anything in support of their side, but spend all their time badmouthing the other side.

All I've got from this election is "Obama is bad" and "Romney is bad". I've gotten no good points for any reason I should vote for either of them aside from that I should vote come Novemeber.
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Old 2012-10-11, 03:03   Link #1215
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All I've got from this election is "Obama is bad" and "Romney is bad". I've gotten no good points for any reason I should vote for either of them aside from that I should vote come Novemeber.
At the end, it truly depends on whether you agree with the agenda of either candidate.

I could simply say how the 111th US Congress was one of the most active legislatures in US history and list the accomplishments of those 2 years. Akin to the Great Society days of Lyndon Johnson. But whether you agree that the reforms made until the seating of 112th US Congress is up to you.

Still on the other hand President Obama resorted to Executive Orders and Federal Agency regulations to continue some of his agenda post-2010 elections.

As for Romney...I dunno what to say. He conveniently either accepts or repudiates his time as Bain CEO or Massachusetts Governor whenever the political winds change that one cannot really be sure where he stands in the end.
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Old 2012-10-11, 03:09   Link #1216
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On the fiscal side, neither candidate has my vote. Romney's math doesn't add up and he's lying too much to actually do an assessment. Obama has a slightly better handle on the facts (and better staffing, apparently) - but both sides are basically "pwnz0rd" by Wall Street and the large corporations. Its rather like I can choose which corporations to have a better four years. Neither party is seriously addressing the deficit/debt issue.

My vote choice is being made for me by the social conservative extremists in the neo-GOP (of whom Ryan is a documented part of and Romney flutters when they say boo to him). I'm simply not going to watch the rights of half the population be twisted backwards a century. I'm not going to quietly let insane irrational zealots get their hands on the government buttons. If the Congress is going to stay GOP or split, I want a Dem in the White House. When it comes to selecting Supreme Court justices over the next four years, I don't want more constitutional train wreck corporate lackeys like Scalia or Thomas.

When the GOP either rediscovers the "fiscal responsible - social neutral" path or rots away to nothingness, letting a new party emerge, then I'll put my stick down but at the moment they're neither.

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Old 2012-10-11, 04:33   Link #1217
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Guy, don't feed Flying, he's a troll.

As for Obama. I think he had something of a case of Hubris. Let's see what happens in the next few debates...
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Old 2012-10-11, 05:43   Link #1218
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Romney won't going to grant America the marginal economic betterment that Obama has achieved, only a solid government necessary to launch crusade on Iran unhindered and shielding the dying Supreme Court Justices from social progress. Expect an ideological shuffling electric boogaloo plaguing US in no time, folks. That is, if he actually gets elected.
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Romney relies on shrinking pool of white male votes
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...89A07C20121011

As Democrats cry foul, "Moderate Mitt" rises in polls
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8991GE20121011
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I remember that Bill Clinton was quite into deep crap before the 1996 election and that everyone called for his head because the 1993-96 term had its share of very bad moments (Waco, economy growing very slowly, Oklahoma City, World Trade Center bombing, UN failure in Somalia, a very criticized approach in Bosnia, etc.) and other elements making believe he was a very soft President. STILL, that didn't keep Bill from having probably the strongest term any US President ever had in recent memory between 1997 and 2000 DESPITE the Monica Lewinsky scandal in the midst of this.

I'm in no position to convince American members on Animesuki on who to vote, but if some people were crazy enough to give George W. Bush a second term to see how it does before rightfully crucifying him, I don't see why Obama wouldn't get this chance to redeem himself too. Anyway, I hope Joe Biden will find a way to nail Paul Ryan tonight just like when he nailed Sarah Palin 4 years ago. About Obama, he has to go for the jugular on next Tuesday; f*** the politeness already!
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