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Old 2012-10-13, 00:39   Link #2141
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The hygiene was pretty legit IMO, it was supposedly during a festival with court official and Tokugawa in attendance. Mitsuhide was in charge of the organization and it ends up that the fish that was served was rotten and spoiled. Anyone would have been angered let along Nobunaga whe is know for short fuses (though it also seem he lets things down just as quick).

Staying on the theory that Honnoji was Mitsuhide's sole idea. That event shouldn't be the trigger for his rebellion especially when all records indicates that he was Nobunaga's most trusted and highly regarded as well as most high compensated general.
That idea was used as the basis in Eiji Yoshikawa's Taiko. hence my reasoning. Akechi Mitsuhide was thoroughly insulted by Nobunaga's treatment which affected Akechi Mitsuhide's retainer and urge him that "Warrior can die, not be insulted." ... okay that just my opinion as Wuxia's enthusiast.

But, Eiji Yoshikawa also portray Mitsuhide as indecisive. if only he decided firmly that as a retainer, it is his job to contain his lord anger it would be different. While in the other hand, General Hashiba Hideyoshi was frequently insulted by Nobunaga , calling him "Monkey, Simian" being sternly scolded, even being ignored once and refused of his presence because Nobunaga disagreed about his decision about Bizen clan. However, General Hashiba contain all the anger and insult with broad minded and simply laughed it off, because he understand the difficulty of his master.

This goes to the famous senryu , If the cuckoo did not sing, coax him.

This action greatly make the difference of Akechi Mitsuhide and Hashiba Hideyoshi.

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As for Kuroda, I haven't read much historical record to see what his personality is like. Most of record revolve around him are his accomplishments and not his relations.

Only thing notable was that Kuroda and Hanbei has respect of each other and both consider Nobunaga to be a genius and hence feels that working directly under Nobunaga is pointless and instead serves as Hideyoshi's guest retainer as the condition.

But maybe because Hanbei is always have this image of "white" personality and his namesake (Kuro means black). Kuroda is usually depict as a dark,scheming, counterpart who handle more shady part of Hideyoshi operation. As such he is usually depict as a non-well like among his peer and very cynical (hence the foul mouth).

His image is basically that of Jia Xiu if you use Xun Yu-Jia Xiu dynamic or more anime reference, Paul von Oberstein compares to Siegfried Kircheis from The Legend of Galactic Heroes
Well, for Kuroda Yoshitaka, there is one case. seems that he was formerly Nobunaga direct retainer which General Hashiba never has the chance to met him in person and only know him by letter and description. But it was said that Hashiba already admired him personally.

in Eiji Yoshikawa's Taiko, General Hashiba Hideyoshi once remarked having both Kuroda Yoshitaka and Takenaka Shigeharu is like having complete limbs and hands which put ease in mind. their effective leadership and troop deployment made Hideyoshi does not need to worry about anything.

then, the relationship between Kuroda Yoshitaka and Nobunaga soured because Nobunaga in fit of anger and suspicion during General Araki Murashige's betrayal, he intended to execute Kuroda Yoshitaka's son ....(i forgot the name) . of all who know Kuroda Yoshitaka, only General Hashiba and Takenaka Shigeharu numerously tried to prevented the execution. Takenaka Shigeharu who was in charge of Kuroda Yoshitaka's son even defied to order in pretext of his health condition, and he along the said child ask for audience to Nobunaga even at the cost of his own life. this made Kuroda Yoshitaka changed his loyalty to General Hashiba Hideyoshi and deepen the friendship between him with general Takenaka Shigeharu.

Well Don Simeon potrayal as dark or wicked seemed stemming from imitating Romance of Three Kingdom relationship of Pang Shiyuan and Zhuge Kongming. Shiyuan was said to be very ugly man which made Sun Quan refused his service. did not the LN Oda Nobuna vol.8 cover give the idea? with Takenaka Shigeharu in white, Onmyouji attire and her holding the crane fan? this felt like Zhuge Liang's appearance in ROTK in the Longzhong Three visit, where he wore a Daoist attire, and holding fan. his method was said to be white (Fiercely loyal to his lord, even until his death).

At first i dislike the idea of Master Strategist plus Magician. it kind of overkill... but now after discussing here, i realized they used the basis from Zhuge Liang, who was said as a capable trickster. which goes to Zhuge plays God against Zhongda during the Northern Expedition. seems that the cute Takenaka Shigeharu from the LN borrowed her basis of existence from Zhuge Liang Kongming. no wonder of her Eight Maze Sentinel.

While Kuroda Yoshitaka why felt like Pang Shiyuan due to their similarity in their fondness in dirty tricks. after all the end justify the mean. But for what i see , they are too similar with Cao Wei's capable minister. Takenaka Shigeharu being Guo Jia and Kuroda Yoshitaka as Jia Xu. Guo Jia leave a will to not march the army against Gongsun Kang of Liaodong, while Takenaka Shigeharu leave a will to not besiege one of the decisive fort of Mori Clan.

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Also, I believed Taiko was also translated into Malay Indonesia, right?

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Hmmm, so when Juubei said she had a headache and couldn't sleep, and then carelessly drink Goemon's ninja secret medicine that had the effect of aphrodisiac, could it be the neurosis? Is there even a cure for that?
Reading about neurosis (especially Jung's theory) was entertaining. :P
OUCH! you knew.... my trick has been revealed. Well that is correct. I read Indonesian translated Taiko back in my younger day and buy them recently after the publisher released a deluxe copy of them. And you write the part which become the basis of my argument.

But frankly speaking, i prefer if they also released complete Shin Heike no Monogatari (New Tale of Heike). it was far more satisfying reading. i once read them in bookstore, but... they only ended it before Shanao Minamoto Yoshitsune engaged in Genpei war! this force me to rely on the manga. But it was not as good as Chen Mou's Ravages of Time!

So.... Juubei drink Hachisuka Hikoemon's secret aphrodisiac which made her become.... hubba hubba in vol.09 illustration of Yoshiharu, Nobuna and Juubei.

I pray to God. don't make this a love triangle except it is a cuckold love scene. please....

Neurosis ? what is that ? some kind of Psychosomatic? can anyone explain to me?
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Old 2012-10-13, 02:14   Link #2142
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Neurosis ? what is that ? some kind of Psychosomatic? can anyone explain to me?
^ Read the links I provided, and go deeper in the internet, and eventually read the LNs. If Bontenmaru is the perfect example of Chuunibyou patient, LN Juubei is the beau ideal of a Neurosis patient

Nah. I don't think the author will make his titled character as bitchy as other authors portrayed. Even if Juubei's mother dies, it will probably because of someone else's order (Konoe may be), and someone will trick Nobuna and Juubei into thinking Nobuna was the one who ordered the kill of the Hatano. Just like what Senchiyo did in vol 8 regarding Kanbei's sister. And Nobuna will cry, again. A Spiderman won't lose in in a Spiderman movie, just like the Empire got their "win" in Empire Strikes Back.

Nobuna being a tsundere in front of her retainers when everyone knew she likes Yoshiharu and vice versa was a waste of papers. Yoshiharu lying to Juubei made me cringe, and how he asserted that Nobuna is important to the world like a God (vol7) made me want to burn my books (one volume can buy me food enough for a full day). Some of Nobuna's political intention/decisions made me wonder why the hell I started this book in the first place.

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Well, I don't have the rights to complain when Nobuna is going to get her happy end with Yoshiharu. But Yoshiharu is so absorbed in protecting Nobuna, that he's going to neglect the one who did most of the important shit for Nobuna and himself?

Perhaps Kazumasu and Himiko who can read people mind can help her. Being a Akechi Juubei Mitsuhide is suffering.

I'm so going to drop a colony, or send a seismic wave if Juubei doesn't make it at the end of the novel. I still can know the ending based on 2ch.
Trust me, I'm an engineer. :P

And so, let's talk good things about Nobuna. When Harima (nickname given by Nobuna to Kanbei) introduce her Automata, Nobuna gave the idea of putting wheels to replace the legs for the automata to make it run faster. Kanbei said she did think about that, but because of Japan mountainous and confined regions, wheels were not appropriate. Nobuna advocated the importance of bipedal robots v8p29
I'm thanking Nobuna for making me remember VOTOMS. Oh, and also, Metal Gear Solid 3 everyone?
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Old 2012-10-13, 03:42   Link #2143
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^ Read the links I provided, and go deeper in the internet, and eventually read the LNs. If Bontenmaru is the perfect example of Chuunibyou patient, LN Juubei is the beau ideal of a Neurosis patient
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Nobuna being a tsundere in front of her retainers when everyone knew she likes Yoshiharu and vice versa was a waste of papers. Yoshiharu lying to Juubei made me cringes, and how he asserted that Nobuna is important to the world like a God (vol7) made me want to burn my books (one volume can buy me food enough for a full day). Some of Nobuna's political intention/decisions made me wonder why the hell I started this book in the first place.
I don't understand the medical jargon in that site except that it is different with schizophrenia . that is why i ask, is that different with psychosomatic, a disease consisted of making up stuff of being sick and part of being crazy. from the simpsons . well... Chuunibyou. some kind like Rikka and Dark Flame Master? man... that is deep. i remember when i believe that all pervert protagonist like Rance, Ryo Saeba, Maebara K-1 , Tomo-bou from Sora Otoshimono are all manly and aspired me.

I have to agree. in the first volume, i was bored with all the tsundere antic (when the translation comes out. Thank you translator) of the monkey and nobuna. which i partly skip and skip until the interesting part . even i like how the anime tell the story compared to the LN. the LN started to be boring, like a cheap attempt to imitate Eiji Yoshikawa's Taiko (i know that feeling..) until the important event which surprised me of the author ingenuity.

for example, remember of the Monkey's attempt to dry the sacred pond? Nobuna want to prove that no Dragon God or any god exist which demand a sacrifice. Nobuna make the monkey dry the pond solely using it's brawn. At first this remind me of Ximen Bao from the Warring States Period (China). Truthfully i prefer Ximen Bao's method compared to the Monkey's and Nobuna's method in using their brawn. Not creative enough, eh? Yoshiharu this is why you are a monkey

maybe the ending will goes like this: The monkey betray Nobuna and replaced Mori Motonari as the Daimyou of Western Japan, and then Nobuna in BSOD loss her will to unite japan. Akechi questioned the motives of monkey's action.... and she realized that the monkey want to be equal to nobuna in intention to win her over (political marriage). and akechi due to tit and tat were trapped in to Honnouji affair in order to return the monkey to his sense.... is what that i want to say. but i prefer the bloody affair of Tomino kill them all in this LN. I trust the author that he will not disappoint us. he/she did kill Matsunaga Hisahide, Senchiyo, Abeno Seimei.

so, please author! you don't need to make Juubei as Yandere, Yangire or Axgirl. but please don't skip or delete the Honnouji event.

Did not that Scopedog... i mean Automata become usable in vol.9 LN? i read them in 4ch.
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Old 2012-10-13, 03:50   Link #2144
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^Huh? I thought you were looking forward to Juubei NTRing Nobuna?

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Spoiler for Kill Them All Tomino is so in the past. :
Nope. Scirocco will try to save all the chicks, and so will the modern Tomino.
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Old 2012-10-13, 07:41   Link #2145
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Spoiler for Perhaps my opinion might ... you know depress or annoy anyone. Righteous people tend to be hated. So... Reader discretion is greatly advised:


For your spoiler tag quotation (I am too lazy to write it down here)

And that is..... so Zeta. i prefer the Ideon, please. By the way your idea is so Dunbine.

And the modern Tomino is what makes Zeta the movie is soo... Boring. Four not being Lalah Sune, Cammile not being mind raped, Rozamia not being head shot, Fa being.... Fa.

I miss the glorious day of L Gaim, Dunbine, Zeta, Victory, Ideon .... if only i was fortunate enough to watch Zambot 3.... really... where is the fun of military fighting another alien? is not this just like human hunting for animal??
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Old 2012-10-13, 08:49   Link #2146
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I, for one, really enjoy the romance between Yoshiharu and Nobuna, and am really looking forward to the possible happy end for them. In fact, even though she's extremely useful and vital at times, Mitsuhide's constant need to interfere in their relationship on the pretense that she's "dense" doesn't work at all, and is actually the only reason she's transitioned into one of my least favorite characters. If that wasn't one of her main roles to play, she'd likely be one of my favorites.
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Old 2012-10-13, 09:29   Link #2147
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You're using the wrong word. It's more like "Hallucinating" then "Dense". Thank You Carl Jung and his pals.

And since no one is actually helping Juubei, I hated them all. In fact, if we look from other perspective, Yoshiharu and Nobuna can be the "dense" for not telling her the truth.

Her words in the cave won me over. She admitted to him that "She can't see things clearly when she engrossed in something", "She's easily cheated by people and can't read the atmosphere that she'll be piling failures from now on", and she asked him to guide her in case she's turning into a bad girl. But Yoshiharu thought Juubei was making fun of him with the "72 Ways of Making Fun of People" v4p171-172

And of course, the most powerful words were her question to the Heaven, and "Yoshiharu....Mou Yume no Sekai he Modori takunai desu ka? Sore tomo.....mada, yume no sekai de ganbarimasuka?". IMO, parts of Juubei is still dreaming in that cave for Yoshiharu, and other parts stuck at Kiyomizu Temple for Nobuna, and no one actually knew why.

Juubei even refused Nobuna's reward (Sakamoto Castle), saying the credit should go to Yoshiharu for his valor during the Retreat of Kanegasaki. She's not a someone that craze for glory like the audio drama portrayed. v4p281

One of the things that Nobuna said that makes her my least favorite is that She doesn't care what other people would say, She will give the entire Nation to Juubei, and she's okay to be a wife to someone without a fame like Yoshiharu. v8p94
Even after Juubei refused to be her successor in vol 4, and vol 7 and would follow her to the end. The fall of Nobuna means the crumble of Juubei's dreams v7196-197. Nobuna should have marry him earlier if she doesn't care about what people are going to say. She's prolonging her, Yoshiharu, and Juubei's sufferings.
Nobuna is more like a damsel in distress, waiting her shining prince to save her. This made her role is just to be there, and her fate is hanging on Yoshiharu and Juubei.
The saddest part in Yoshikawa-sensei novel was when Nobunaga said this in his death, "Ahh, Mitsuhide. Will you not be following me in few days "

I don't want Juubei to be turned into a lame antagonist like Konoe in the anime original end, after all she did for Nobuna. I still place some hope that "Pick all the fruits" actually means Kinkan (Kumquat).

Also, having a prior knowledge about theories of Mitsuhide's treachery make me want to support her more.
Perhaps Mikage should introduce Toshimitsu Saitou as Mitsuhide's love interest in her own Side Story, and secluded her from the main story?
2ch said in the short story, Yoshiharu did consider Juubei's feelings, but it still in "Proof, or it didn't happen" for me. Hoping someone can purchase the short stories, and shade some light here.

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@rantaid. Why does it feel like we're old fags not suitable for this kind of romance story XD
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Old 2012-10-13, 11:03   Link #2148
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well.. i am under the impression that Juubei is some kind of ... contradicting herself. Did not the monkey said that Juubei is too serious to her own good? In cave scene she was kind of bold, yep Bold action. perhaps because no one is seeing her or she does not know that anyone might have over heard or peek her.... she become kind of brutally honest. But when she is conscious of other presence... she denied it outright. and instead under the impression that "Can't help it! It is because Saru-senpai is such pervert! i have to sacrifice myself..." Wait... Is that the correct word?

Hmm... seems to me that it is like the trait of ... stalker.

Oh well... let me think about it for a while about my impression of Juubei. i do like her because it will be fun the day she break down... (you know just like what happened to Katsura Kotonoha in School Days...just that. but i never cared about other else. You know, like how if she netorared or being netorared.

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Her words in the cave won me over. She admitted to him that "She can't see things clearly when she engrossed in something", "She's easily cheated by people and can't read the atmosphere that she'll be piling failures from now on", and she asked him to guide her in case she's turning into a bad girl. But Yoshiharu thought Juubei was making fun of her with the "72 Ways of Making Fun of People" v4p171-172
I can not clearly read that LN, only gathering bits by bits of the hiragana and katakana.... but i do search a lot. easily cheated by people..... Ah... Katsura Kotonoha and Sawanaga..... Joking-Joking but really, giving honest impression do take a great number of courage.... that is why if only and only if the 2nd season anime exist, they have to re-play the cave scene.

We can not blame Yoshiharu, if i was placed in his shoes.... please do continue on your own. you know what everyone will do if they are placed in his shoes. and as i say earlier, Juubei is too serious for her own good. she is trying too hard for herself.... but i like that side of her....

Spoiler for again, viewer discretion is advised. My opinion might anger you.:


For one, we need to give Nobuna some slack. she is for one a Daimyo. A person responsible for the well being of her country. she can not just casually for a stupid emotion to give up her responsibility, this is what they says as Noblesse Oblige. She is not just some spoiled modern girl who are free to fall in love (which will be booooring) and just say 'good bye' to her responsibility as a leader.

And for one , Nobuna with all difficulty surrounding her, could think in cool headed and calm composure. .... okay except when she thought that her capable ministers both died but let us put it in different matter. being a leader is hard. that is the first matter. and for one i am thankful that the author greatly emphasized the importance of Politic and Economy (Monetary) in this LN and Anime (well LN mostly).

And I believe Nobuna while she intended to do a delaying tactic, she for once want to focus herself in unification, ending the chaotic era of Sengoku Jidai and establishing a stable and strong governance before saying good bye and leave for good for herself. she placed Akechi Mitsuhide might also driven for her appreciation of her skill. did not Nobuna herself remarked numerous time of Akechi's talent? though of course the part that Akechi fallen to the Monkey is kind of unpredictable to her. and her retainer.... are all hopeless.. the genius like Niwa Nagahide of course will support her lord, but it will be unfair. the like of Takenaka Shigeharu will you know.... it is closer to "Yoshiharu sama is mine!" (I do read Eiji Yoshikawa's Taiko. he reminded Hashiba before dying that he is worried for Hashiba's lack of ambition. he asked Hashiba to carve a name for himself, preparing for the continuation and the future. And... in episode 5 of the anime and the LN which i tried to guess and read.... "Yoshiharu-san is a dummy, a dummy i can not leave alone. I want to protect you and let you shine." see the similarity?) this make me realized why other simply playing ignorance of these three relationship.

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The saddest part in Yoshikawa-sensei novel was when Nobunaga said this in his death, "Ahh, Mitsuhide. Won't you be following me?"
Yep, i have to admit. just like how Caesar says "Et tu Brute?" . but we can also interpret it as following him to the path of carnage.... or following to death because after the leader is dead, all the retainers will show their ambition and.... It's gone.
And then... General Hashiba cunningly used Samposhi as the infant successor, placing him as Regent. Such is the Art of War.

But really, perhaps Nobunaga at that time got an epiphany of the future of the Oda clan?

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@rantaid. Why does it feel like we're old fags not suitable for this kind of romance story XD
Really? i thought only people like us who can calmly dissect and analyze their romance are the most suitable person who can appreciate this romance.

How can you love something if you are afraid of breaking them and rip them part to part? and also, it is much more fun to imagine the worst thing possible might happen to them. that is why we call them entertainment.

as Nobunaga said in Eiji Yoshikawa's Taiko "Chew it good then spit the rest." Take the whole story, rip apart and chew them bit by bit, swallow the good things and spit out the waste
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JDid not the monkey said that Juubei is too serious to her own good?
The Taiga Drama indicated this is how Akechi Mitsuhide became neurotic, when he tried to please Nobunaga.

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A person responsible for the well being of her country. she can not just casually for a stupid emotion to give up her responsibility, this is what they says as Noblesse Oblige. She is not just some spoiled modern girl who are free to fall in love (which will be booooring) and just say 'good bye' to her responsibility as a leader.
Responsible for her nation? She was willing to attack Honbyouji because Yoshiharu 'betrayed' her. Eventhough she preferred to lose Yoshiharu to someone else that is not Juubei, but still could not except the girls of Honbyouji v6p191. Nobuna's ego went through the Babel Tower's roof when she thought that she'll gain advantage over Juubei using her Idols to tell the whole world that she's the most beautiful person v6p62.
Something tell me Nobuna is mad, instead of jealous of something about Juubei. I don't know? May be because she really thought that she is prettier then Juubei. (subjective, and I don't mind Nobuna fans agreeing this). Is it because Juubei is more able to lead the country then her?
May be it is her forehead after all, just like Yoshikawa's Nobunaga can only be mad looking at the Kumquat head.



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And I believe Nobuna while she intended to do a delaying tactic, she for once want to focus herself in unification, ending the chaotic era of Sengoku Jidai and establishing a stable and strong governance before saying good bye and leave for good for herself. she placed Akechi Mitsuhide might also driven for her appreciation of her skill. did not Nobuna herself remarked numerous time of Akechi's talent?
If Nobuna thinks so high of Juubei, she should let Juubei do the unification. Kenshin, Shingen, Konoe will not miss Nobuna, and would still attack Juubei when she still under the name of the Oda.
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Responsible for her nation? She was willing to attack Honbyouji because Yoshiharu 'betrayed' her. Eventhough she prefer to lose Yoshiharu to someone else that is not Juubei, but still could not except the girls of Honbyouji v6p191. Nobuna ego's went through the Babel Tower's roof when she thought that she'll gain advantage over Juubei using her Idols to tell the whole world that she's the most beautiful person v6p62.
Something tell me Nobuna is mad, instead of jealous of something about Juubei. I don't know? May be because she really thought that she is prettier then Juubei. (subjective, and I don't mind Nobuna fans agreeing this). Is it because Juubei is more able to lead the country then her?
May be it is her forehead after all, just like Yoshikawa's Nobunaga can only be mad looking at the Kumquat head.
She is also jealous of Hanbei in the LN during the Sunomata Ichiya-jou. not just Juubei-chan. And mostly, she do jealous of every girl who approached the Monkey. if not, why did she sent Nene as the Most beautiful girl under the heaven? it is to trap Yoshiharu due to his own word that "I am not a Phaedophiliac Criminal!" she believe that the Monkey in all intent and purpose, is not a Lolicon.

well.. the prospect of Nobuna being mad is for one...."I am going to be a Harem King", sure is not a good way to break up with girl. Of course she gone mad.....

Though i admit i understand that Being a Harem King is a Man's Romance.

Girl does not like to admit anyone is more beautiful than her. and Nobuna for one in making Mickey Mouse of herself is due to her being insecure of her own beauty. and I believe in Asakura Yoshikage in LN who remarked that Juubei is really beautiful if not for her kind of wide forehead. Well... frankly i don't mind it at all, because what make me attracted to her first is her beautiful eyes... and then.... her personality.

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Well in addition to what the monkey remarked to Hanbei about the moon, Juubei has no aspiration in leadership. she can not lead a people as a capable sovereign. and from my deduction of how the author of the LN used the basis of Eiji Yoshikawa's Taiko.... we can place them on similar situation. Akechi Mitsuhide does not have an ambition and content of being a loyal retainer. his betrayal was mostly driven by spur of emotion outbreak. yes, from Eiji Yoshikawa's Taiko.

With the Saito clan of Mino engulfed in their internal conflict, Akechi was forced to be wanderer and retainer without master. he roamed to many warlord but end up refused until he met Nobunaga who really accepted his talent.But then....
Meanwhile, in the LN, Dosan Saitou did not die, so her wandering and learning is not because she lost her lord but because she was ordered to deepen her knowledge.
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^I can't go all night, so this will be my last post. Yoshiharu regarded Nobuna as the sun, and when Juubei was going to protect him from the hunters in the cave, Yoshiharu thinks that Juubei was beautiful like a moon, and her will is as strong as Nobuna. v4p176

Her purple eyes and hair almost made her the Wakamurasaki, but because she's the Moon, she's the Oborozuki?

If she pulls the Moon card from the Tarot.
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This card has to do with sleep patterns. This can mean both dreaming and nightmares. If one gets this card, one may be going through a particularly difficult emotional time. Rather than losing yourself in the overwhelming imagery and fantasy that signal the presence of the Moon, give form to this imagery through the creative arts (painting, writing, or dancing). The association this card bears with imagery and fantasy can put one in touch with visions and insight, creativity and psychic powers.[1]

The Moon can be interpreted with the feeling of uncertainty, where the past still haunts, unsure of a journey but still going ahead with it, feeling watched and because it is commonly associated with dreams, fantasies and mysteries this card can also be interpreted with surreal feelings and situations in your waking life
wiki of course. Why do I feel every time I'm going to use external sources to analyze Juubei, it went down to the T?

Nobuna being the Sun, meaning the best in everything, makes me even sadder if Nobuna's the only one to gain happiness, leaving Juubei behind.
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Old 2012-10-13, 20:12   Link #2152
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^I can't go all night, so this will be my last post. Yoshiharu regarded Nobuna as the sun, and when Juubei was going to protect him from the hunters in the cave, Yoshiharu thinks that Juubei was beautiful like a moon, and her will is as strong as Nobuna. v4p176

Her purple eyes and hair almost made her the Wakamurasaki, but because she's the Moon, she's the Oborozuki?

Nobuna being the Sun, meaning the best in everything, makes me even sadder if Nobuna's the only one to gain happiness, leaving Juubei behind.
i thought Nobuna being the sun is Hanbei's opinion... but regardless...
Your word's intrigued me to quote from my favorite manga Ravages of Time, "However the sun can be eclipsed and the moon can wane."

The bright sun illuminate everything, right?

I am not familiar with Genji no Monogatari.. i only read partial story back then but reading in wiki's explanation why do i feel like reading Dream of Red Chamber?
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In the end, Oborozukiyo became a nun. Probably a suitable end for Juubei, as Genji could not take them all.
Also, at the end of the anime, Juubei was standing beside Ieyasu, twice. 2ch even speculated the BD cover will pair Juubei with Ieyasu, raising the Tenkai flag
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Nice comparison on Kuroda, as well as the info on Mitsuhide. I'm familiar with the history part but not so much on the fiction/novel part unless they were turned in Taiga dramas. But since you mention it, some of dramas do picture Mitsuhide that way and I guess it based from that novel than. Similar to how Zhou Yu usually got depict as a man jealous of Zhuge Liang bue to Romance of Three Kingdom.

Historically though, both Kuroda and Hanbei are direct retainer of Nobunaga. They're are 寄騎 or 与力 for Hideyoshi from Nobunaga both of whom are under Nobunaga's employment instead fo Hideyoshi (basically Hideyoshi doesn't have to give them salaries).

But since both's career were long tied (and in Hanbei's case his entire oda career) to Hideyoshi, many confused them both as Hideyoshi's direct retainers.
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But when she is conscious of other presence... she denied it outright. and instead under the impression that "Can't help it! It is because Saru-senpai is such pervert! i have to sacrifice myself..." Wait... Is that the correct word?

Hmm... seems to me that it is like the trait of ... stalker.
No, thats one of the tsundere traits rather than stalker.
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Maybe, but Oichi's marriage to Katsuie was not until after the death of Nobunaga and was a move in an attempt to keep a leverage on Hideyoshi and to contain him...
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In the end, Oborozukiyo became a nun. Probably a suitable end for Juubei, as Genji could not take them all.
Also, at the end of the anime, Juubei was standing beside Ieyasu, twice. 2ch even speculated the BD cover will pair Juubei with Ieyasu, raising the Tenkai flag
i read them a bit, downloaded them finally. though i can't help but express my admiration. how could you stand reading this? i read Dream of Red Chamber... and it is kind of not my thing.

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Similar to how Zhou Yu usually got depict as a man jealous of Zhuge Liang bue to Romance of Three Kingdom.

Historically though, both Kuroda and Hanbei are direct retainer of Nobunaga. They're are 寄騎 or 与力 for Hideyoshi from Nobunaga both of whom are under Nobunaga's employment instead fo Hideyoshi (basically Hideyoshi doesn't have to give them salaries).

But since both's career were long tied (and in Hanbei's case his entire oda career) to Hideyoshi, many confused them both as Hideyoshi's direct retainers.
Yeah. it is really funny. because it was Cao Cao himself who burn his armada during the battle of Chibi because of the plague of tropical disease (perhaps Malaria). but it was Zhou Yu who get the merits. and people admired Zhuge Liang because he predicted the weather and wind, though it was Zhou Yu who asked an old and experienced fisherman at the harbour. and people praised Pang Tong, though it was Cao Cao who came up with chaining his entire fleet.

Really? because from what i read ... Takenaka Shigeharu captured the Inabayama castle with 18 men. his feats let his reputation soared and destroyed Saito Tatsuoki's reputation (making him as coward).

his impressive feat of the capture of Inabayama made both Nobunaga and General Hashiba admired him deeply, offering him to flock to Oda clan. but Takenaka Shigeharu refused because he merely want to teach a lesson of governance to Saito Tatsuoki. he later returned the castle to Tatsuoki.

Then during the assault of Oda clan to Mino, under the pretext of Saitou Dousan's testament... general Hashiba tried to recruit him for Oda, the latter refused. after several visit Takenake Shigeharu finally accepted in the condition of serving General Hashiba, not Oda Nobunaga. (I don't know whether Eiji Yoshikawa tried to imitate Liu Bei's three visit or not)... and it was not only based on Taiko, there are several tale which i read also recount similar thing.

for Kuroda Yoshitaka, it was more or less a fact that he served Oda (first) not Hashiba. due to the betrayal of Araki Murashige..... you know the continuation of the story.

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No, thats one of the tsundere traits rather than stalker.
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Damn i miss this series...
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