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Old 2012-10-13, 06:14   Link #781
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Dafuq. Is there one source of news aside from ANN that is actually reliable and unbiased? (And don't tell me that ANN has its own share of sensationalism as well. )



I think "avoiding moe from becoming a topic in creative meetings" is "trying to avoid moe from Psycho-Pass" in my opinion.
So what if it is? You're not getting enough moe from the literally dozens upon dozens of other anime shows per year that clearly embraces it?

I like moe myself, but that doesn't mean I need it in every anime show I watch. There's no harm in the people behind Psycho-Pass basically saying "We want this show to be different. We want it to stand apart from most modern anime shows. One way we aim at achieving that is by avoiding all discussions of moe during the production of the show, since moe is an exceptionally common element in modern anime."


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Can simply be poor wording on their part. It's only the first episode and people are already talking like they know the system.
I'm not saying that "I know the system". I'm saying that...

1) There's no good, in-canon reason to think that the gun is giving recommendations instead of giving commands.

2) Going by the wording used, it sounds more like its giving commands.

So why are people just assuming its giving recommendations? Because that would make the system more defensible? Maybe the system isn't meant to be defensible. And like I wrote before, a crazy system doesn't mean a stupid story. 1984 had a crazy system, but it was definitely not a stupid story.


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Hey, why do you forget abouth this little part:

The gun activates it's Lethal Mode based on target's threat.
If the goal of the gun is to simply end the immediate threat posed by the target, then why is killing better than paralyzing? Paralyzing will usually get the job done (I can see the gun changing settings if you run into some doped up guy like the rapist in this episode was, but for most people a paralyzing shot should subdue them just fine).


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It's not questionable at all, it's actually pretty understandable. When some people lose it, they might become really violent and calm their self down a few moment later.
Well, what I put in bold is precisely my point, and it's precisely why it is very questionable to switch so suddenly from Lethal Shot to Paralyzing Shot. If your legal system takes rehabilitation seriously (and this system seems to, as the criminal of this episode became a criminal in part due to refusing therapy), you wouldn't want to kill someone just because they've temporarily lost it.

If the legal system takes rehabilitation seriously, you'd only want the gun to switch to Lethal Mode if...

1) Paralyzing shot isn't working for some reason (that wasn't a factor with the woman who had been raped), or...

2) The target is a complete psychopath/sociopath that's too far gone to be believably rehabilitated (think of The Joker from Batman comics).

Like I wrote before, I can imagine (and probably even accept) this system determining that some targets really are too far gone to be worth trying to rehabilitate. But that decision should be based on more than just moments of extreme trauma and high emotionality, which people tend to recover from at least to some extent.
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Old 2012-10-13, 06:36   Link #782
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how robust is the system? how long has it been implemented? is it a new one that needs more adjustments or has everything been tested thoroughly already?

when it's in a grey area, does it give benefit of the doubt to the target or decide to go for a harsher penalty?
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Old 2012-10-13, 06:37   Link #783
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If that is true, then this article from ANN is severely incomplete. Wikipedia doesn't have an article about him as well.
Motohiro Katsuyuki is a very famous director in Japan, and Odoru Dai-sousasen in particular, is a MASSIVE HIT Police drama series, and basically was an amazingly successful reboot of the genre which used to be one of the dominating genre on TV back in the days of Taiyo ni Hoero, Seibu Keisatsu, etc.

He's directed tons of popular TV series on Japanese television, as well as over a dozen theatrical film.

Dude is quite a far cry from amature.
Show you how much ani-ota focused some of these wikipedia editors are.


As for anime, he's a long-time old school anime fan, and used Evangelion and Gundam BGMs in his movies.
He's a vocal fan of Anno, Tomino and Oshii Mamoru. In fact, Dai-sousasen's police drama took a lot of que from Oshii's work on Patlabor.

Also, your link didn't take me to any article with content.
If you can provide the original Japanese source on it, I can tell you exactly what was said.
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Old 2012-10-13, 06:41   Link #784
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Well,I'll leave the moe discussion alone since I don't really care for itall that much

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No, it's more than a mere "interpretation".

The gun specifically says "Target's Threat Judgement has been updated. Enforcement mode is Lethal Eliminator. Aim carefully and eliminate the target."

That's crystal clear, no interpretation necessarily. And it's what the gun itself states. The gun is clearly telling the holder thereof to kill the target. The implicit message is equally clear - There's no point in taking this target in alive.


Then, a couple minutes later, the gun specifically says "Target's Threat Judgment has been updated. Enforcement mode is Non-Lethal Paralyzer. Aim calmly and bring the target under control."

Again, that's crystal clear, no interpretation necessary.
Right,what got me confused is that the gun doesn't always give the order.The first time they shot the rapist for example it just said "Crime Coefficient is over by 190.He's a target for enforcement action,the safety will be released",then after the paralyser fails it says "Target's Threat Judgement has been updated. Enforcement mode is Lethal Eliminator" but doesn't say " Aim carefully and eliminate the target."

Same for the victim at first: it just says "Crime Coefficient is over by 160.Se's a target for enforcement action,the safety will be released"

The characters keep talking about the "sibyl judgement", the victim is "far enough gone that we don't need to wait for sibyl judgement" and it seems to be that lethal mode was activated once that judgement is received.
Now I don't know how the sibyl system works but it could be more than a coefficient reading or else there'd be no need to wait for it,unless ""sibyl judgement" is just something that happens automatically once you go past a certain coefficient point and the team didn't want to wait for that to happen.
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Old 2012-10-13, 06:53   Link #785
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Motohiro Katsuyuki is a very famous director in Japan, and Odoru Dai-sousasen in particular, is a MASSIVE HIT Police drama series, and basically was an amazingly successful reboot of the genre which used to be one of the dominating genre on TV back in the days of Taiyo ni Hoero, Seibu Keisatsu, etc.

He's directed tons of popular TV series on Japanese television, as well as over a dozen theatrical film.

Dude is quite a far cry from amature.
Show you how much ani-ota focused some of these wikipedia editors are.


As for anime, he's a long-time old school anime fan, and used Evangelion and Gundam BGMs in his movies.
He's a vocal fan of Anno, Tomino and Oshii Mamoru. In fact, Dai-sousasen's police drama took a lot of que from Oshii's work on Patlabor.

Also, your link didn't take me to any article with content.
If you can provide the original Japanese source on it, I can tell you exactly what was said.
For everyone's info about the original police series Odoru Dai-sousasen:

Bayside Shakedown


Yes, it was really big. I think the ANN interview (or somewhere) mentioned the director always wanted to do an animated series, and this will be his first attempt.
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Old 2012-10-13, 07:03   Link #786
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aohige, by request, here is the original news article source: clicky

Wow, I just discovered that Gen Urobuchi's name translates to "the mysteriousness of the hollow abyss".

Oh, and the article I linked to is supposedly the ANN profile article on Katsuyuki, not about the news article.
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Old 2012-10-13, 07:21   Link #787
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another point that probably will get addressed later on in the story is how does the Dominator identify who's using the gun? Or did the enforcer lock on/shut down the dominator before passing it over to the kidnapper? If it's the former then another question would be what happened in the academy that gave the permission for them to use the gun.

just some random thoughts.
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Old 2012-10-13, 07:49   Link #788
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aohige, by request, here is the original news article source: clicky

Wow, I just discovered that Gen Urobuchi's name translates to "the mysteriousness of the hollow abyss".

Oh, and the article I linked to is supposedly the ANN profile article on Katsuyuki, not about the news article.
It's a very small portion of that interview that even mentions it, and all they're saying is because they're aiming for a Blade Runner like feel to the world, they're forbidding anyone from bringing up the word "moe" in the staff meeting. No girls with sparkling eyes that takes up half their face, or someone whose ahoge (those thin strand of hair standing on anime characters head) sensing criminals, none of that (laughs).

Pretty legit comment. "moe" simply doesn't belong in the world building they're aiming for in this anime.
No talks of crusade against moe or any of that nonsense, just talking about this anime and its Blade Runner roots.
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Old 2012-10-13, 07:52   Link #789
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Thanks for the clarification, although the gore would still keep me from watching or supporting this series.
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Old 2012-10-13, 08:11   Link #790
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another point that probably will get addressed later on in the story is how does the Dominator identify who's using the gun? Or did the enforcer lock on/shut down the dominator before passing it over to the kidnapper? If it's the former then another question would be what happened in the academy that gave the permission for them to use the gun.

just some random thoughts.
Wasn't there a login sequence when the enforcer picked up the gun from its rack? It looked to me like there was a login sequence based on biometrics. If the biometric login data is regularly checked, let's say every time the gun senses its human interface has been disrupted, then the gun would know if it is being handled by an authorized or unauthorized person.
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Old 2012-10-13, 08:27   Link #791
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Well,I'll leave the moe discussion alone since I don't really care for itall that much



Right,what got me confused is that the gun doesn't always give the order.The first time they shot the rapist for example it just said "Crime Coefficient is over by 190.He's a target for enforcement action,the safety will be released",then after the paralyser fails it says "Target's Threat Judgement has been updated. Enforcement mode is Lethal Eliminator" but doesn't say " Aim carefully and eliminate the target."

Same for the victim at first: it just says "Crime Coefficient is over by 160.Se's a target for enforcement action,the safety will be released"

The characters keep talking about the "sibyl judgement", the victim is "far enough gone that we don't need to wait for sibyl judgement" and it seems to be that lethal mode was activated once that judgement is received.
Now I don't know how the sibyl system works but it could be more than a coefficient reading or else there'd be no need to wait for it,unless ""sibyl judgement" is just something that happens automatically once you go past a certain coefficient point and the team didn't want to wait for that to happen.
Well, you could be right that the characters are sometimes jumping the gun (quite literally in this case, lol ).

And yeah, it's just one episode.


Anyway, even if the system is crazy today, maybe it started as a reasonably sane and effective system. How the system has corrupted over time could be an interesting story itself.

But what story Gen wants to tell here, we'll have to wait and see. I will say I'm liking it a lot so far.
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Old 2012-10-13, 08:36   Link #792
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Why is Akane overreacting over merely paralyzing a target? Apart from that, it was a brilliant first episode.
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Just my 5 cents.
- Sibyl = Latin for Prophetess. To quote:
“The Sibyl, with frenzied mouth uttering things not to be laughed at, unadorned and unperfumed, yet reaches to a thousand years with her voice by aid of the god”

If this is what this system is based on, then it basically makes predictions based on currnet psychological and physiological data only. Yeah, big flaw there already.

On the other hand, if you switch the “i” and “y” and make it Sybil:
Still means seer, but could also allude to this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(book)
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Well maybe we can find some clues here, the website was updated with new keywords,any kind soul out there willing to translate?

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Why is Akane overreacting over merely paralyzing a target? Apart from that, it was a brilliant first episode.
Because she doesn't understand why said target is a target.She had no problem over paralyzing the rapist.
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Well maybe we can find some clues here, the website was updated with new keywords,any kind soul out there willing to translate?



Because she doesn't understand why said target is a target.She had no problem over paralyzing the rapist.
I know, but still, they were just going to paralyze a clearly distraught and potentially dangerous girl. She'll just be tranquilized temporarily and won't be harmed.
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I know, but still, they were just going to paralyze a clearly distraught and potentially dangerous girl. She'll just be tranquilized temporarily and won't be harmed.
Probably because of her kindness that completely deny treating people like wild dogs that need to get paralyzed, or because she is those kinds of pacifism-lovers who prefers negotiation over violence.
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Omitting moe-elements is a good choice.
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Probably because of her kindness that completely deny treating people like wild dogs that need to get paralyzed, or because she is those kinds of pacifism-lovers who prefers negotiation over violence.
I suppose it just didn't feel right in that situation where you really should just pick the safe option instead of running the risk of getting everyone killed in a fire. So I couldn't really feel as if I support Akane's "moral" choice.
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His other project is "serious enough" I think (not that I have any idea about his other work), so there's not enough basis that he is a hypocrite. The only way we can judge him if he is a hypocrite is when moe seeps out of Psycho-Pass. That would be the best thing ever.
He's already done it with Saya no Uta....Saya = walking personification of moe *love*


Anyway...he's just saying they want something that goes in the opposite direction from the moe trend...not that he wants to topple it.

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Omitting moe-elements is a good choice.
Moe? We already got Tsunemori Akane, that female inspector. Her moeness in her character design - especially her cute looking eyes - just makes her feel out of place in this show with dark, edgy atmosphere.
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