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Old 2012-10-12, 07:19   Link #881
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Meh...the problem with the author aiming so hard for Raku x Chitoge from the get go just takes away any and all possible suspense and drama out of the equation for me.
To me it's already set in stone that Raku x Chitoge is the final pairing so anything that happens in between is just a wasted attempt at drama. This is what happens when an author pushes so damn hard for a certain pairing since the beginning...
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Old 2012-10-12, 07:24   Link #882
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I dunno about the series going for much longer...

We've gone from "stupid beansprout!" (status quo) to "I'm an idiot." (heroine realizes her feelings) within like 3 chapters. I may be wrong but to me this romantic development seems very fast paced compared to the chapters before.

80-100 chapters total? Doubling the existing number now? That'd probably mean at least 35 more chapters of the protagonist being oblivious of any of the girls' feelings (yay ). It would also mean Chitoge's development coming to an abrupt halt and the establishment of another status quo, which to me seems like an awkward way of writing character development into the plot.

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Old 2012-10-12, 08:34   Link #883
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Randrak42 but thats how love usually work, doesnt it? Its not ....... contest to pleasure audience or shippers waiting to get sth to troll on forums...

Waven Chitoge feelings for him started to develop almost from begining... In last 3 chapters she realized her own feelings, but thats normal for tsundere, isnt it?

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As for Onodera, I pity her. Most likely she will get dumped on the half-way again...
Its only her damn fault... She got plenty of chances to got him and failed miserable... She was even afraid to make one, tiny step forward... And what was that in chapter 44? She skipped all steps and tried sth on higher level, really pathetic...

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But that time he really was wrong ;p
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Randrak42 but thats how love usually work, doesnt it? Its not ....... contest to pleasure audience or shippers waiting to get sth to troll on forums...

Waven Chitoge feelings for him started to develop almost from begining... In last 3 chapters she realized her own feelings, but thats normal for tsundere, isnt it?



Its only her damn fault... She got plenty of chances to got him and failed miserable... She was even afraid to make one, tiny step forward... And what was that in chapter 44? She skipped all steps and tried sth on higher level, really pathetic...



But that time he really was wrong ;p
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Old 2012-10-12, 12:30   Link #885
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Randrak42 but thats how love usually work, doesnt it? Its not ....... contest to pleasure audience or shippers waiting to get sth to troll on forums...
We're talking about a manga...a story meant to entertain audiences, not a real life person's personal love affair.

I'm all for setting up a couple from the get go, but not how this author has done it. Here we have a harem like scenario with various girls but only one of them is truly being set up to be the end girl and it is practically shoved in our faces. Matching up a couple from the start doesn't work so well in harem series, VNs included. God, I can't tell you how annoying it is in VNs when the makers keep pushing one pairing in your face when you just want to go through a different route.

Setting up a final couple from the start can work well. A good recent example of a couple being set up from the start was Magico, though the manga ended prematurely (IMHO) the whole relationship between Shion and Emma was great and when a love rival for either one appeared the readers did feel the relationship being threatened.

An example of a certain pairing being set up from the beginning but them only getting together later on is Change 123 (I chose this mostly because I re-read the whole series recently) where you knew that Kosukegawa and Motoko set up from the start but for a few chapters you actually feel threatened when Mokoto has a crush on another guy and when another chick shows up later on and hits on the MC you actually feel that it could create good drama (and it did).

Here...there's no feeling of threat in the whole thing because while it is a harem Chitoge gets so much more screen-time and development it's ridiculous, nothing can happen with another girl without Chitoge either being around or her having something happen right after of the same level. Think Rosario+Vampire...TsukuneXMoka is shoved in our faces so much that the rest of the harem is just there for the lols (and fighting later on) there's never any threat to the relationship.

It would have been much, much better IMHO had the author distributed character development and screen-time amongst the girls while dropping only subtle hints that Chitoge was ahead. Weird as it may sound, To-Love-Ru did this rather well. It was a pure comedy harem manga, Lala was believed to be the final girl for a while at the start but as things went on we had other girls get as much screen-time and development as her, if not more at times. Before Darkness, it was still in the back of most people's minds that Lala would be the final girl but the mix of comedy and other girls being in the picture (and by being in the picture I mean getting center stage WITHOUT Lala showing up or getting further ahead right after) kept things fresh...hell plenty of times did I think "He could actually end up with her instead of Lala."...this became even better in Darkness.

So yes, it's not about how love works...it's about how you tell the story.
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Old 2012-10-12, 13:50   Link #886
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The fokus of this manga was never really about the harem anyway.
There are harem mangas like To-Love-Ru and harem mangas like Love Hina. Nisekoi was since the beginning like Love Hina. It was never question of who he ends up because it was already clear. The question was and still is the how.

TLR and Nisekoi have only one thing in common and that is that a couple of girls like the hero and i'm glad that it is not more.
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Old 2012-10-12, 14:40   Link #887
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This manga is more like love triangle then harem... Mari came to play late and... I didnt saw even subtle sign that Raku is interested in her for sth more then just friend. Developing this relationship would me meaningless...


Randrak42 but in this manga it would be impossible to do. Its not like Kimi where influence of Eba on Haruto was that big then even if Haruto would date Nanami seriously then it would still not work out for them and Haruto would end up with Eba in the end...

In this manga just one little step from Raku or Kosaki and it would be END OF STORY... Just one little conversation, few worlds that she is interesting in him or he in her and they would enp up together... Now ofc its too late for it, Raku is in love wirh Chitoge, but earlier any kind of development between Kosaki and Raku would end this manga... Author cannot make any steps here, because love between them was already on stone. What did you expect? Ofc author could just write more scenes with just only two of them, but it would change nothing. Because it will be same cliche situations and status quo between them will still last.

In most manga with characters in situation like Raku and Kosaki one of them or both isnt still sure about their feelings. But in Nisekoi both of them from begining of manga knew what are their feelings... Thats why any kind of development between them means end of manga...
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The fokus of this manga was never really about the harem anyway.
There are harem mangas like To-Love-Ru and harem mangas like Love Hina. Nisekoi was since the beginning like Love Hina. It was never question of who he ends up because it was already clear. The question was and still is the how.

TLR and Nisekoi have only one thing in common and that is that a couple of girls like the hero and i'm glad that it is not more.
True, in a way this manga is a lot like Love Hina if you consider the pairing, however even in Love Hina there were moments where I believed he maybe wasn't going to end up with Naru.
Yes, from the beginning the author made Naru the main girl and the most obvious choice for final girl...but then again Keitaro didn't come into the story already in love with another girl, he came in as a blank slate (as opposed to TLR). Raku came in already in love with someone else, however the author barely played with it seriously...none of the situations with Kosaki so far have pushed me into thinking that he could actually end up with her and this is wasted potential.

The story doesn't need huge drama, it can stay comical and shounen but also play with Raku x Kosaki a bit more...make the readers think, even for a second, that she has a chance. This would greatly improve on the story and make more people interested in it.
I know a lot of people that have dropped this manga saying something along the line "Chitoge's already the clear winner and no girl is a threat, what's left is cliche shounen humor."
I rather like cliche shounen humor sometimes which is why I stuck around, not because I have any interest in the romance anymore.

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Randrak42 but in this manga it would be impossible to do. Its not like Kimi where influence of Eba on Haruto was that big then even if Haruto would date Nanami seriously then it would still not work out for them and Haruto would end up with Eba in the end...

In this manga just one little step from Raku or Kosaki and it would be END OF STORY... Just one little conversation, few worlds that she is interesting in him or he in her and they would enp up together... Now ofc its too late for it, Raku is in love wirh Chitoge, but earlier any kind of development between Kosaki and Raku would end this manga... Author cannot make any steps here, because love between them was already on stone. What did you expect? Ofc author could just write more scenes with just only two of them, but it would change nothing. Because it will be same cliche situations and status quo between them will still last.

In most manga with characters in situation like Raku and Kosaki one of them or both isnt still sure about their feelings. But in Nisekoi both of them from begining of manga knew what are their feelings... Thats why any kind of development between them means end of manga...
Where are people getting this odd notion that if two characters start dating it's suddenly the end of the series? What? If Raku and Kosaki start dating would Chitoge and the others just vanish? Hell, Raku and Chitoge are already supposedly dating and even that doesn't make girls try to go for him...why would it be any different with Kosaki?

If Raku and Kosaki started dating but he still had some lingering feelings for Chitoge it would actually make for an interesting plot...
And cliche situations? Like we don't have plenty...almost too many of those already? This manga and manga like this one are build on cliche situations...it only thing it's missing is more stereotypical clumsy MC tripping over girls and ending up in awkward positions.

As for it being a Love-Triangle and not a harem manga...no it is a harem manga, just because other girls come in later doesn't take away the fact that it has become a harem manga. If the only two characters with feelings for Raku were Kosaki and Chitoge and the other girls were not interested/interested in someone else then yes, this would be a plain love-triangle but not here.
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Old 2012-10-12, 16:03   Link #889
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True, in a way this manga is a lot like Love Hina if you consider the pairing, however even in Love Hina there were moments where I believed he maybe wasn't going to end up with Naru.
Yes, from the beginning the author made Naru the main girl and the most obvious choice for final girl...but then again Keitaro didn't come into the story already in love with another girl, he came in as a blank slate (as opposed to TLR). Raku came in already in love with someone else, however the author barely played with it seriously...none of the situations with Kosaki so far have pushed me into thinking that he could actually end up with her and this is wasted potential.

The story doesn't need huge drama, it can stay comical and shounen but also play with Raku x Kosaki a bit more...make the readers think, even for a second, that she has a chance. This would greatly improve on the story and make more people interested in it.
I know a lot of people that have dropped this manga saying something along the line "Chitoge's already the clear winner and no girl is a threat, what's left is cliche shounen humor."
I rather like cliche shounen humor sometimes which is why I stuck around, not because I have any interest in the romance anymore.
I can only speak for myself but i don't see anything wrong with how it is going. And i know also alot people that are reading this because it is entertaining.
I have nothing against cliché-ridden storries as long they can entertain me and that is clearly the case with this manga.

This was never meant to be like one of those stories where people need to guess with who the protagonist will end up.
From the beginning it was clear for me that it will be an Chitoge end. Rakus crush on Onodera was just something to not let him hook up with Chitoges too fast and it was somthing he will overcome after he realized which girl he really liked.
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We're talking about a manga...a story meant to entertain audiences
And you don't need suspense/uncertainty about who the end girl is to entertain audiences.

Saying this can't be entertaining is like saying a "howdecatchthem" detective story can't be entertaining because you know from the start who the criminal is.
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Randrak42 but Chitoge and Raku arent dating for real. And Kosaki already know that fact. And between them there wasnt any feelings in begining. If Kosaki and Raku would date in begining of series then it would be impossible for any girl to interrupt. because it was mutual feeling... Thats why it would be end of series...

Yes Raku and Kosaki dating would make sense- but only now when Raku develop feelings for Chitoge and Chitoge knew whats her real feelings are... It would be interesting... But we are talking here about past, not about current situation!! Earlier relationship between Raku and Kosaki would mean end of series...

Not others girls, but only one girl- Mari... Its 3 girls in total... In end you can call it love triangle manga which change into harem... But its harem manga only in name... If you look only at chemistry between characters and feelings development between them then this manga is love triangle... Serious plot happen only between Kosaki- Raku- Chitoge...
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I can only speak for myself but i don't see anything wrong with how it is going. And i know also alot people that are reading this because it is entertaining.
I have nothing against cliché-ridden storries as long they can entertain me and that is clearly the case with this manga.

This was never meant to be like one of those stories where people need to guess with who the protagonist will end up.
From the beginning it was clear for me that it will be an Chitoge end. Rakus crush on Onodera was just something to not let him hook up with Chitoges too fast and it was somthing he will overcome after he realized which girl he really liked.
I don't think people are getting what I'm saying...
I never said it couldn't be obvious that Chitoge was the final girl...I'm just saying that it would have been better for the story (for me at least) if the author focused on the other girls a bit more and made us doubt that fact at least once.
To me the romance side of this RomCom series has become incredibly boring, I'm really just here for the Comedy side by now.

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And you don't need suspense/uncertainty about who the end girl is to entertain audiences.

Saying this can't be entertaining is like saying a "howdecatchthem" detective story can't be entertaining because you know from the start who the criminal is.
I rather enjoy howcatchem stories when done right. In this regard the problem isn't that we know who the "final girl" is, it's how the author has been telling the romance side of the plot...it may very well be just me but I find it lacking.

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Randrak42 but Chitoge and Raku arent dating for real. And Kosaki already know that fact. And between them there wasnt any feelings in begining. If Kosaki and Raku would date in begining of series then it would be impossible for any girl to interrupt. because it was mutual feeling... Thats why it would be end of series...

Yes Raku and Kosaki dating would make sense- but only now when Raku develop feelings for Chitoge and Chitoge knew whats her real feelings are... It would be interesting... But we are talking here about past, not about current situation!! Earlier relationship between Raku and Kosaki would mean end of series...

Not others girls, but only one girl- Mari... Its 3 girls in total... In end you can call it love triangle manga which change into harem... But its harem manga only in name... If you look only at chemistry between characters and feelings development between them then this manga is love triangle... Serious plot happen only between Kosaki- Raku- Chitoge...
I was never talking about them dating in the beginning of the series, I dunno where you got that idea. But then again, if they started dating early on in the plot it could have actually made for a fun plot...
Raku and Chitoge being a pretend couple to keep a war from happening and all the while Raku was dating Kosaki for real. The time Raku spent with Chitoge pretending to date could easily allow for feelings to develop between the two making Raku torn between his two loves...add comedy and done well and it wouldn't even have to be that serious to be played out well.
Just because two characters are dating doesn't mean Raku couldn't start to develop feelings for another girl, especially in the situation they were in.
Tell you the truth now that I think about it, I much rather the story had developed like that than as it did. But hey, it could still happen so here's to me hoping for it.

You're forgetting Tsugumi, that's four girls with a romantic interest in the MC.
It doesn't matter if there's only any real development between two or three characters, it still is a Harem.
Love Hina doesn't stop being a harem just because Naru and Keitaro's relationship develops more than the others.
Ai Kora doesn't stop being a harem just because Sakurako and Hachibei's relationship is the only one with real development.
TLR doesn't stop being a harem just because Lala and Rito get most of the relationship development (and then Rito, Yami and Momo in Darkness).
HSDK doesn't stop being a harem just because Miu and Kenichi are the only ones with any real romantic development.
Rosario+Vampire doesn't stop being a harem just because Moka and Tsukune are the only ones with any mutual romantic interest.
Highschool DxD doesn't stop being a harem just because only Rias and Issei's relationship gets any real focus.
And so on...then again we're just arguing about a little technicality...
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But then again, if they started dating early on in the plot it could have actually made for a fun plot...
Raku and Chitoge being a pretend couple to keep a war from happening and all the while Raku was dating Kosaki for real. The time Raku spent with Chitoge pretending to date could easily allow for feelings to develop between the two making Raku torn between his two loves...add comedy and done well and it wouldn't even have to be that serious to be played out well.
Just because two characters are dating doesn't mean Raku couldn't start to develop feelings for another girl, especially in the situation they were in.
Darn it,I had the exact same plot idea but you beat me to it I would definatly have found this concept interesting.
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I don't think people are getting what I'm saying...
I never said it couldn't be obvious that Chitoge was the final girl...I'm just saying that it would have been better for the story (for me at least) if the author focused on the other girls a bit more and made us doubt that fact at least once.
To me the romance side of this RomCom series has become incredibly boring, I'm really just here for the Comedy side by now.
I see. But i find stories like TLR with such a wishy washy characters incredible boring and annoying.
Do you seriously read TLR for the romance aspect?
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Randrak42 but in most harem manga their is at least any development between MC and other girls... In Nisekoi development between Raku and Tsugumi or Mari was just only in first 1,2 chapters with them. After that there is nothing more. Ofc both girls fall in love with him more and more, but there is nothing from Raku... Im not talking that its not harem manga... It is, but only in name... If you focus only on romance part then its more love triangle that harem...

You forgot that Raku and Kosaki had mutual love in begining of series... Really if they would start dating it would be impossible for Chitoge to join the game... Gang wars, their parents, Mari, Tsugumi, that guy from Chitoge gang- nothing would matters... If Raku would know that his felings for Kosaki is mutual nothing would stop him from dating Kosaki and it would be end of manga- he is this kind of guy...

Somewhere after Chitoge birthday party manga started to have place for Kosaki development. But still it could be done only really careful and slowly- to not destroy all development Raku got with Chitoge... And only now Raku and Kosaki can start dating with Chitoge still in game... It would be interesting... Earlier with Raku personalty any bigger development with Kosaki would destroy any chances for other girls to get him. Thats why it was hard for author to make any moves there...

It would be interesting if Romeo and Juliet play would be big development between Raku and Kosaki. But thats probably will never happen...
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I see. But i find stories like TLR with such a wishy washy characters incredible boring and annoying.
Do you seriously read TLR for the romance aspect?
Originally I watched TLR for the Ecchi and Comedy of course, but as I read more I got attached to the characters, the Romance and other plots. It doesn't take the romance seriously at all most of the time, especially now in Darkness...though I'm mostly interested in the whole Yami past/Nemisis plot now (the ecchi is still very much welcome but I'll read it even without any by now).
TLR may not look like it with that mask of semi-gag and pure ecchi but when it gets actual plots going it knows what it does and does it well.

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Randrak42 but in most harem manga their is at least any development between MC and other girls... In Nisekoi development between Raku and Tsugumi or Mari was just only in first 1,2 chapters with them. After that there is nothing more. Ofc both girls fall in love with him more and more, but there is nothing from Raku... Im not talking that its not harem manga... It is, but only in name... If you focus only on romance part then its more love triangle that harem...
Since bloody when? Most of the harems I've mention have as much if not less romantic development between the MC and the other girls as Nisekoi...however they do it better and there's other factors in play beside to plot that take center stage.
If you focus only on the romance part you can very well take away Kosaki's part cause she as much a background haremett as the other three by now.

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You forgot that Raku and Kosaki had mutual love in begining of series... Really if they would start dating it would be impossible for Chitoge to join the game... Gang wars, their parents, Mari, Tsugumi, that guy from Chitoge gang- nothing would matters... If Raku would know that his felings for Kosaki is mutual nothing would stop him from dating Kosaki and it would be end of manga- he is this kind of guy...

Somewhere after Chitoge birthday party manga started to have place for Kosaki development. But still it could be done only really careful and slowly- to not destroy all development Raku got with Chitoge... And only now Raku and Kosaki can start dating with Chitoge still in game... It would be interesting... Earlier with Raku personalty any bigger development with Kosaki would destroy any chances for other girls to get him. Thats why it was hard for author to make any moves there...

It would be interesting if Romeo and Juliet play would be big development between Raku and Kosaki. But thats probably will never happen...
So if someone is in love and in a mutual relationship with someone else, then it is impossible to develop romantic feelings for a another individual? Grow up will yah? If you ever find someone that says "I've never had feelings for someone other than my wife/lover." they are either lying, were never aware or denied it to themselves. This is especially true when you are forced to be with someone...and in this case pretend to be dating that someone. Loving someone does not mean you cannot love someone else as well.

And by your logic...if Raku was dating Kosaki by the time Chitoge showed up, he would refuse to pretend to date her...thus inciting a gang war between the two groups? Because that is clearly the kind of guy that Raku is...he would always sacrifice everyone else, even the lives of his "family" for his one true love...
I'll be over there banging my head against the wall...
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Not really, because between them mutual feelings are already there. It was always just one little step to push them toward relationship. Its different issue that they never make that step...

Funny, you make list with examples of worst harem manga ever (ok Love Hina is average and Ai Kora could be good if not for end, but with this end its worthless sh1t) and its for you representation of harem genre which includes hundreds of titles? Good harem manga have developments with more then 1 girl. And isnt it what you was looking for? Manga with development with more then one girl and subtle sign that one of them will win in the end, isnt it?

Compare it wih series like Seitokai no Ichizon, Fujimura-kun Mates, Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai- see difference?

Omg we are talking here about fictional work, not about real people. MC in romances manga are specific. Raku isnt sb normal if he would date Kosaki from begining then it would be impossible to develop STRONGER feelings for Chitoge. Talking about others girls is useless, because even without relationship with Kosaki he still feel nothing more then friendship towards Mari or Tsugumi...

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Omg Raku was forced to date Chitoge, not Kosaki... Did you really read this manga? If yes then why are you using arguments from real life (not from manga) or out of place lines like this one above?

I never said that even if he would start relationship with Kosaki from begining (just being sure that its mutual feeling for them would be enough, they not need to start dating immediately) then he would not start fake relationship with Chitoge(only to prevent gang wars). I just said that in this situation even if he would develop any feelings toward Chitoge then it would be impossible for them to burgeon. See that even now its really hard for Raku to understand his real feelings... Then imagine how hard it would be if he would be mutual relationship with Kosaki for long time...
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Not really, because between them mutual feelings are already there. It was always just one little step to push them toward relationship. Its different issue that they never make that step...
Considering Kosaki is nowhere near the final girl placement and that the author makes this fact pretty damn clear to us nearly every chapter...yes...she is more haremett than real love interest. His feelings for her mean nothing when the author keeps pushing RakuxChitoge in our face.

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Funny, you make list with examples of worst harem manga ever (ok Love Hina is average and Ai Kora could be good if not for end, but with this end its worthless sh1t) and its for you representation of harem genre which includes hundreds of titles? Good harem manga have developments with more then 1 girl. And isnt it what you was looking for? Manga with development with more then one girl and subtle sign that one of them will win in the end, isnt it?

Compare it wih series like Seitokai no Ichizon, Fujimura-kun Mates, Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai- see difference?
Opinions, everyone has their own.
I consider the manga I named to be rather good as well as the ones you mentioned (Though I haven't read Fujimura-kun Mates, have been meaning too though...) so who are you to tell me that the examples I listed are bad just because you didn't like them? Hell, Love Hina and Ai Kora were two of my favorite Harem manga.

Same goes for what makes a series a good or bad harem series. Some people think that shoving a bunch of girls in your face is enough, others believe deep relationships between the girls is most important. Personally I'm in between...hey I like a "large selection" of goodies but also a bit more of a connection with the girls but it varies on a case by case basis. Highschool DxD for example, the only real relationship development is between Rias and Issei yet it is played out well, we know from the beginning that he'll end up with Rias but it doesn't take away from the plot because the author does it well (And yes, hard to believe but I also watch read Highschool DxD for the plot D: OMG!).

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Omg we are talking here about fictional work, not about real people. MC in romances manga are specific. Raku isnt sb normal if he would date Kosaki from begining then it would be impossible to develop STRONGER feelings for Chitoge. Talking about others girls is useless, because even without relationship with Kosaki he still feel nothing more then friendship towards Mari or Tsugumi...
Not really impossible...I believe if the author wrote the story in that way not many (if any) would call bullshit (And please, you don't need to say that you would call BS...because of course you would, you can't go against your own argument now innit?).

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Omg Raku was forced to date Chitoge, not Kosaki... Did you really read this manga? If yes then why are you using arguments from real life (not from manga) or out of place lines like this one above?
Yea...I'm gonna chalk this one up to your lack of understanding of the English language because even I have derp moments here and there while reading...

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I never said that even if he would start relationship with Kosaki from begining (just being sure that its mutual feeling for them would be enough, they not need to start dating immediately) then he would not start fake relationship with Chitoge(only to prevent gang wars). I just said that in this situation even if he would develop any feelings toward Chitoge then it would be impossible for them to burgeon. See that even now its really hard for Raku to understand his real feelings... Then imagine how hard it would be if he would be mutual relationship with Kosaki for long time...
You were the one saying that if Raku and Kosaki started dating early on that the manga would end. Considering the main tagline of the manga is Raku being forced to pretend to be dating Chitoge to prevent a gang war then by saying the manga would end would be saying that he would refuse. Hell, even him not having feelings for Chitoge but still forced to date her could bring about some nice moments xD
And again...not impossible.

I'm done arguing with you...it's obvious that neither of us will change our minds on the matter and continuing this will only lead to headaches and wasted time. Make your last counter argument as you wish...I'm not really going to respond anyway.
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Old 2012-10-13, 21:35   Link #899
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Considering Kosaki is nowhere near the final girl placement and that the author makes this fact pretty damn clear to us nearly every chapter...yes...she is more haremett than real love interest. His feelings for her mean nothing when the author keeps pushing RakuxChitoge in our face.
And? We knew that already from begining. Even in one shot author made it pretty obvious. If sb dont like it then should stop reading it after chapter 0... But it still not change fact that feelings between Kosaki and Raku is mutual from begining. Even after all this development with Chigote Raku still can hurt her badly just because "I have Onodera!!"... And that wasnt sth lightly. Chitoge got hit from him stright in the face... Its not sth you would answer to girl when she asking you seriously...

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Opinions, everyone has their own. (...)
All series you mentioned are average, at best... You have sth like anidb rating, for example- Rosario to Vampire (4.3/10); Ai Kora (4.48/10); TLR (4.26/10); Love Hina (6.53/10); HSDK (7.55/10). Its average rating from few thousands of people... Not only mine opinion...

I really liked AI Kora. It was good series with good development. And really you cant said that development in this series with other girls then Tenmaku was worser then in Nisekoi... MC develop feelings towars Tenmaku really late in series... But i really hate how author ended this manga... Everything was closed perfectly and author just destroy all in last chapter. I cant forgive him it...

And Love Hina... It was probably my first harem manga i ever read... And i liked this series... But its mostly only sentimental feelings... If you want to be obiective then this series is average, at best...

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Not really impossible...I believe if the author wrote the story in that way not many (if any) would call bullshit (And please, you don't need to say that you would call BS...because of course you would, you can't go against your own argument now innit?).
Try to answer to two questions- why Raku fall in love with Chitoge? And why she develop feelings for him? It wasnt just sexual attraction. He never cared about her half western beauty... Like i said earlier he could develop some feelings toward Chitoge but it would be impossible for them to burgeon. Even now its really hard for Raku to understand his real feelings... Then imagine how hard it would be if it would be mutual relationship with Kosaki for long time...

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You were the one saying that if Raku and Kosaki started dating early on that the manga would end. (...)
Ofc author still could make manga like this. But only with different genre. Maybe seinen about relationship between young teenegers- Raku and Kosaki. Making harem like this would be pointless.... From begining of this series Kosaki was just one little step from being in serious relationship with Raku... Just one little... Remember situation in school when she almost said that she is love with him? If she would just said it at that time then RakuxKosaki ending would be set in stone... Thats what i had in mind when i writed- manga would just end with this...
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