AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series > Madoka Magica

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2012-10-17, 12:53   Link #21
Tempester
AS's "Love Live!" Fanatic
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Listening to "SENTIMENTAL StepS" on repeat
Age: 23
Shouldn't this discussion go to the General Thread? It's not much about the movies.
__________________
MyAnimeList
- - - - -
Visual novel list
- - - - -
Recently completed anime:
Space Dandy
Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun
Zettai Shougeki: Platonic Heart
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (1993 OVA)
Girls und Panzer: Kore ga Hontou no Anzio-sen Desu!
Sakura Trick
Tempester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 13:48   Link #22
Guernsey
The GAP Man
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Age: 26
Send a message via AIM to Guernsey Send a message via MSN to Guernsey Send a message via Yahoo to Guernsey
Quote:
Originally Posted by Animexcel View Post
Stan Lee is in everything, is Gen trying to become Stan Lee?
__________________
Guernsey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 13:57   Link #23
Guernsey
The GAP Man
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Age: 26
Send a message via AIM to Guernsey Send a message via MSN to Guernsey Send a message via Yahoo to Guernsey
Do you think Madoka will become a franchise?

You know with the movies, manga, drama cds, video games and the anime, Madoka has become big and it may or may not be the Evangelion of magical girls. Evangelion is a notorious anime for a lot of reasons but nevertheless it is a successful franchise that spawned many merchandise and has fanfics dedicated to 'fixing' the anime. Do you think Madoka will become as big Evangelion, DBZ, JoJo, Naruto, etc.?
__________________
Guernsey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 15:18   Link #24
maximilianjenus
[E]
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Ic an only hope.
maximilianjenus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 18:12   Link #25
blakstealth
Cinderella Gang or Die
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by Animexcel View Post
You called?

oh man lawl
__________________
blakstealth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 18:31   Link #26
Lenneth4
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Dakar
Age: 30
Send a message via MSN to Lenneth4
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanon View Post
That was predictable. I'm afraid they're going to milk this series into the ground.
So you don't want more because you hate the series ?
Or you don't want Creators earn more money to be more secure with their business ?

All i can truly hope is to have gen all along , and the quality stay the same.
Lenneth4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 18:57   Link #27
Triple_R
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Age: 33
Send a message via AIM to Triple_R
It's hard to blame SHAFT for trying to milk in on PMMM's success, but my worries are similar to Kanon's.

I'm particularly worried about the idea of Madoka Magica outliving its creators. Doing a darker-themed show well is actually a lot harder than people think. It can very easily turn into self-parody or just be shlocky shock-and-awe for the sake of shock-and-awe (Blood C immediately comes to mind for me, as does Another's last two episodes; just compare those two to Gen's work in PMMM and Fate/Zero).


Plus, I honestly feel that the Nanoha franchise has lost a lot of its original charm by going through so many cast enlargements and spin-offs and all sorts of new directions. And I'd hate to see the same happen to PMMM.


Ultimately, we'll have to wait to see, but I am worried about how this might all play out (most of the comic book comparisons really aren't helping, guys ).
__________________
Triple_R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 19:01   Link #28
GDB
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuraTwilight View Post
"Puella Magi: House of M(adoka)"
Kind of already happened. "No more witches."
GDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-17, 19:49   Link #29
AuraTwilight
The True Culprit
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: The Golden Land
Send a message via AIM to AuraTwilight Send a message via MSN to AuraTwilight
I was waiting for someone to catch that.
__________________
When the Silent Spirits Cry: An Umineko/Silent Hill crossover fanfiction
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=4565173&postcount=531
AuraTwilight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 09:05   Link #30
Kanon
Kana Hanazawa ♥
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: France
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lenneth4 View Post
So you don't want more because you hate the series ?
Or you don't want Creators earn more money to be more secure with their business ?

All i can truly hope is to have gen all along , and the quality stay the same.
I don't want shitty sequels for the sake of racking up more money. The recent track record for sequels of anime original work don't fill me with confidence (most recent example: Eureka Seven AO).

It will be very difficult to come up with sequels or spin-offs that are as gripping and impactful as PMMM, especially now that we are all familiar with the setting. It might turn out fine if Urobuchi is still writing these works, but it sounds like he already wants to pass the torch to others.
__________________
Mikan & Yami
Kanon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 09:23   Link #31
maximilianjenus
[E]
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Yeah, they won't be as impactful, but they can still be pretty god, the spin off materials, while some of them have some execution problems (oriko, kazumi) are pretty cool in their own and they still feel like they belong to the madoka universe.
maximilianjenus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 10:15   Link #32
BaKaBaKaOtaKu
Stupidity is Bliss.
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: In Hancock's Heart
OMG, why? I'm scared about this tbh. The third film should be enough already. What's more story to tell about Madoka. I don't want Madoka to be ruined. SOL though? I'm okay with that.
__________________
www.gifreducer.com/upld/gen/IXzHGD/32-nodither.gif
Faberry
Quinn and Rachel
BaKaBaKaOtaKu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 10:50   Link #33
Solace
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
*Moderator
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by maximilianjenus View Post
Yeah, they won't be as impactful, but they can still be pretty god, the spin off materials, while some of them have some execution problems (oriko, kazumi) are pretty cool in their own and they still feel like they belong to the madoka universe.
I don't think it's possible to be as impactful as the original story, especially for those of us who were there for the ride. And I don't think it would be wise to try, either.

Still, like you said, even though there were execution problems, Oriko and Kazumi were pretty good. I attribute some of those issues to their rushed nature, since they were developed as Madoka was being made and it was highly possible that Madoka wouldn't be a success. The three manga certainly feel rushed at times, the pacing is awkward, and in the case of the manga adaptation of the series and Kazumi, elements had to be changed around because of the unfinished scripting of the show itself.

As proofs of concept though, they work really well. Kazumi itself could easily become a full fledged anime, especially if they took the time to flesh it out with better pacing and a few more bits of material. Oriko would make a solid OVA or movie.

I think there's a strong enough core to the series which would allow it to have a decentralized storytelling system with a centralized universe to put it in. It doesn't always have to be about the characters of Madoka the anime, and even if it were, just the potential of Homura's timelines would make for good storytelling.

I share the fear that this could be a wasted opportunity, but the show's creators have an excellent track record, plus it's officially a cash cow. I'm sure they'll try to protect that, at least initially.
__________________
Solace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 11:29   Link #34
Animexcel
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
I wouldn't mind if there were more Madoka stories to be told. Just yesterday, someone on facebook told me that Evangelion should've stopped after the tv series ended. I don't really care if they make more, and for everyone who has a problem with it, you have 2 simple options. Watch it, or don't.
Animexcel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 15:31   Link #35
Triple_R
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Age: 33
Send a message via AIM to Triple_R
Quote:
Originally Posted by Animexcel View Post
I wouldn't mind if there were more Madoka stories to be told. Just yesterday, someone on facebook told me that Evangelion should've stopped after the tv series ended. I don't really care if they make more, and for everyone who has a problem with it, you have 2 simple options. Watch it, or don't.
There's times and places where that rationale applies, but it really isn't that simple for those of us who are already serious Madoka fans. A serious Madoka fan can't ignore what's going to come next no more than a serious Star Trek fan can ignore one of the Star Trek movies s/he doesn't like - Like it or not, it's now part of canon.


Let me use an analogy that might capture what some of us are worried about.

Let's say that you have a great and famous painting. The painting is widely held to be a near-flawless masterpiece, and most would grade it something like 95/100. In short, it has little room for improvement and it could easily be way, way worse.

Now, let's say that the painter, Gen Picasso, who is held in pretty high esteem, came out and said the following: "My painting, the Madoka Lisa, is going to be extended upon soon. The painting you see now will only be a third of the full painting in time. Some of the new parts of the full painting may drastically change how you interpret the original painting. Also, parts of the full painting will be handled by painters other than I. My hope is for this painting to be a living work of art, based on more than my artistic vision alone."

Now, you're someone who loves the Madoka Lisa the way it is. The likelihood of it getting even better is slim. The possibility of the new add-ons hurting the original painting is very real.


If Shinbo or Gen came out and said "All future PMMM anime projects will be AU-based", I'd breath a sigh of relief. Because even in a worst-case scenario; even if those future projects aren't that good ; it wouldn't negatively impact the original anime.

But that assurance isn't there, so I can't help but feel a bit worried here.


I also don't like the sheer speed at which this is all moving. It hasn't even been two years yet since PMMM aired, and we already have three movies (one being entirely new content). And now, they're already planning for more?

The funny thing is that I'd love to see KyoAni treat Haruhi like this - That would be a dream come true for me. But then Haruhi has massive amounts of source material just waiting to be adapted, while Madoka Magica is anime original so there's no real reason to rush it.


All of the above being said, I guess there would be no harm in adapting the Kizumi and Oriko manga into anime. The Oriko manga I liked myself, and I think it would make a good, short OVA.
__________________
Triple_R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 16:05   Link #36
Animexcel
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
I see where you're coming from. I mean look at Dragonball GT for example. People HATED it, but then there are those who did like it. I could say the same for those Star Wars prequels(WTF). I understand that you can't have too much of a good thing, but you never know unless you go there.
Animexcel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 16:45   Link #37
woxx
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: eastern europe :(
I don't think making anymore spin-offs like Kazumi or Oriko(personally I didn't enjoyed them) is good idea. As much as I like Madoka Magica I don't find its universe to be really interesting. But some kind of slice of life with original characters would be awesome.
woxx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 17:28   Link #38
Triple_R
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Newfoundland, Canada
Age: 33
Send a message via AIM to Triple_R
Quote:
Originally Posted by Animexcel View Post
I see where you're coming from. I mean look at Dragonball GT for example. People HATED it, but then there are those who did like it. I could say the same for those Star Wars prequels(WTF). I understand that you can't have too much of a good thing, but you never know unless you go there.
Your Star Wars comparison hits it perfectly.

I know people who's image of Darth Vader was RUINED, absolutely ruined, by the Star Wars prequels.

I myself didn't mind "Anakin Skywalker" that much, but I can see why some people would.


Could something like this happen to Madoka? Homura? Kyubey?

I hope not, but the risk is there. Well, if the third movie ends up being good and very well-received, that'll put some of my doubts to rest. But we'll have to wait and see on that.
__________________
Triple_R is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 18:27   Link #39
GDB
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Triple_R View Post
I hope not, but the risk is there.
If people are that concerned, they can just not watch it. It's not like they're being forced to, and it's not like by not watching, they diminish the original.
GDB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-10-18, 18:58   Link #40
totoum
Me at work
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland
Age: 26
Send a message via MSN to totoum
Quote:
Originally Posted by GDB View Post
If people are that concerned, they can just not watch it. It's not like they're being forced to, and it's not like by not watching, they diminish the original.
I really really try hard to pretend I've never heard of Midi-chlorians when watching the original star wars but no matter how much i want to ignore them,they're cannon even if I don't like it.They'd be cannon even if I hadn't watched the prequel.So in a way yes,those freaking Midi-chlorians are messing with my enjoyement of the original Star Wars trilogy.

Though I do recognize that's an extreme example.
__________________
totoum is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 19:30.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.