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Old 2012-10-19, 12:51   Link #1101
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A bit off topic: Episode 3 next week, are we ready for a possible major bomb drop just like the episode 3 that you-know-what-I-am-talking-about with story written by the same person. (Evil)
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Old 2012-10-19, 13:15   Link #1102
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Im pretty sure the bomb won't drop till episode 8,12 or 13. The friends are pretty much guarenteed to be killed though.
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Old 2012-10-19, 14:08   Link #1103
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Episode 2 was good. All the characters got some decent development. Might be following this for a few more episodes.
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Old 2012-10-19, 14:19   Link #1104
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There is also the part that inspector are on track to eventually become politicians and politicians in this world have influence over rules being set by the Sibyl system.

It seems Sibyl system is basically designed to put well being of a society as a whole over individual liberty.
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Old 2012-10-19, 16:15   Link #1105
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I just finished watching this, and when I saw Shinya's "unfinished business", I thought "is that you, Spike Spiegel?"

Also, I'm going to laugh when Akane goes rogue and starts a revolution to bring down the Sybil system, and no one can stop her because her Crime Coefficient won't go high enough for the Dominators to work on her.

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Old 2012-10-19, 19:38   Link #1106
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Two fantastic little details jumped out at me this week, which sort of define the nature of the society Akane is living in. The first was the mental stress level alert from the holobuddy which read less like a terror alert, and more like a UV index. It recommended mental health supplements like sunscreen to protect one's youthful complexion.

I know a lot of people see the totalitarian implications of a "stable" and sedate public, but what I saw was the commoditization of mental health in a society obsessed with obtaining and maintaining it. Imagine the enormous monied interests whose main concern is keeping the public consuming therapy, supplements, self-help materials, and who knows what else. How many people's livelihoods, including Akane's depend on society's quest for total mental stability?

This is reinforced by the second detail where Akane's friend calls her mental resilience "beautiful", the way you'd normally hear a jealous side-character praise a leading lady's womanly figure. I wonder if there are psychological fad-supplements or treatments in this world, the way we have our miracle weight-loss quackery. I think we're seeing the beauty culture played with a bit by having a relatively plain-looking heroine whom society sees as a psychological bombshell; a woman to be alternately desired and envied.

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And there we have it. This Sybil system can't possibly be all bad. I mean, it DID give Akane a high ranking on her aptitude for being an inspector. And she was the one who spared the life of a woman who could be saved.
I'm going to take the Sybil system at face value until Urobuchi gives me reason to think otherwise. I assume it's a completely legitimate and effective system of measuring what information it has to work with, but...

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But the Sibyl System doesn't provide such an environment - Rather, it institutionalizes people, "playing the odds" and giving up on them without giving them a real chance in life.
Like most automated systems, it is only interested in the bottom line, and as R says, playing the odds on what it can quantify. Think of it like the kinds of powerful software used to manage huge accounts in the modern stock market, except instead of making dispassionate, statistically sound financial transactions, it's being employed as a Sorting Hat that occasionally decides that a child should be assigned to House Solitary Confinement.
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Old 2012-10-19, 21:31   Link #1107
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AND in the end SYBIL after years of calculations determines that what it is doing right now for their society and humans, are NOT FOR THEIR ULTIMATE WELL-BEING after all and thus found a suitable person in the form of AKANE so that she can shake up the system and ultimately destroy the system that is SYBIL, therefore granting humans freedom of self-determination again (which it deemed better in the long run) and yet would also cause side-effets such as more criminality and wars and such.

just my thoughts.... well bittersweet ending , urobochi right?
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Old 2012-10-19, 22:10   Link #1108
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in the end, isn't it the human fault that rely too much on sybil? i mean sybil is just an AI it just see thing as is, a data.

it did not see human as human but see it as a gear in the system, and if a gear is potentially gonna bring problem is just right to take it out, but before using it to it fullest extent as is still can be used. it is tuned to maximum efficiency after all.

P.S : by the way...she can suddenly change clothes with the hand mirror, is she wearing a a holo-suit? or is she wearing a work suit and wearing holo layer above it...interesting.. and if that the case everyone can literally walk naked without real clothes...do you think its interesting?

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Old 2012-10-20, 01:14   Link #1109
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I just finished watching this, and when I saw Shinya's "unfinished business", I thought "is that you, Spike Spiegel?"

Also, I'm going to laugh when Akane goes rogue and starts a revolution to bring down the Sybil system, and no one can stop her because her Crime Coefficient won't go high enough for the Dominators to work on her.
You know, that makes so much sense, that I think you may have just spoiled the ending to the show, lol.

Yeah, I can definitely see how Akana's "Crime Coefficient won't go high even when she's in a bad mood" could become a very important characteristic later on down the line.


And actually, I'm already seeing striking similarities between this show and Madoka Magica (albeit that some of these are predictive in nature). I'm going to allude to them in the spoiler space below.

Spoiler for Psycho-Pass/Madoka Magica comparison:



I'm calling it now. Tomomi Masaoka is going to die, and his death is going to seriously shake up Akane and play a role in her questioning the system. That's a prediction I'm making.


ThereminVox raises a very interesting societal aspect to the Sybil system that I honestly hadn't considered myself. Yeah, I can see "Psychological Beauty" in this show being held in the same sort of esteem that physical beauty is held in the real world.

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I'm going to take the Sybil system at face value until Urobuchi gives me reason to think otherwise. I assume it's a completely legitimate and effective system of measuring what information it has to work with, but...
I don't doubt that the Sybil system is at least somewhat accurate. I think it provides two things:

1. Pretty accurate "snapshots in time" (more on this in a bit)

2. By doing 1 constantly, it's good at determining which people have the firmest mental stability (i.e. the "snapshots" can add up to paint a very precise picture over time).

With Akane, what I think the Sybil system is picking up on is a fundamentally good person who is sort of incorruptible. It's not so much that she is immune to bad moods - It's that she has a strong personal sense of morality and justice that would prevent her bad moods from ever causing her to completely snap, so to speak. So even when plagued with self-doubt and lack of sleep, she doesn't give off a bad reading.

For most people, though, their Sybil system rating changes with their moods and state of mind, because most people can snap. I think that a Sybil system rating accurately reflects where a person is at this exact moment of time. The problem, I think/suspect, is that it doesn't account for how likely the person is to recover from that heightened emotional state. It just flags people in the sense of "This guy/gal is on the verge of an emotional breakdown; take him/her out, or she might do something crazy and criminal".

The thing is that Akane's method in Episode 1 should probably be standard operating procedure. In other words, you try to talk people down and you don't "Shoot first, ask questions later". And in fairness, maybe that's all the Sybil system was used for at first, at least within a law enforcement context: To help ascertain who needs to be "talked down" and who needs to be shot if you're unable to talk them down.


Anyway, as critical as I've been of the Sybil system, I am finding this to be an extremely thought-provoking and pretty enjoyable show. Perhaps fittingly, it has intellectually engaged me in a way that no show really has... since Madoka Magica.
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Old 2012-10-20, 02:02   Link #1110
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Spoiler for Psycho-Pass/Madoka Magica comparison:

in before
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Urobuchi, I'm not sure if it's all intentional or not, but you have a weird ways of leaving clues/red herrings
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Old 2012-10-20, 03:30   Link #1111
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^ oh i see so kagari X ---- :P
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Old 2012-10-20, 04:07   Link #1112
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A bit off topic: Episode 3 next week, are we ready for a possible major bomb drop just like the episode 3 that you-know-what-I-am-talking-about with story written by the same person. (Evil)
Look, if we don't say anything about possible major bomb drop next week, everything will be fine right, right?

I don't want anyone to die so early... (Except for Latent criminals that are not working for the police.)

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I think that I may be a latent criminal in the world of psycho pass

I wonder what my reading will be...
As long as you never think of doing anything weird, the reading will be easy running. Imagine the Sybil system being imposed throughout the world... How many people do you think will have readings beyond 110?

Life cannot go the way some people want to during the system's ruling. E.g: Playing a Rated "M" game.... Oh wait..

System: A guy is shown with cloudy crime coefficient, and spotted at his house in (A certain district). Take action immediately.

Me: Oh man... *caught after 5mins*

This is 1 example why I don't want to live in such a life like in Psycho-Pass.

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Moe coefficient over 9000. Action recommended: taking her home.
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If Sibyl's eyes says it, then let's do it!
Moe coefficient says that, but your Crime coefficients also shows high possibility of a crime.
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Old 2012-10-20, 05:26   Link #1113
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The final semblance of personal freedom disintegrates once the government starts invading individual privacy.

On the surface, Sybil seems to be quite a pragmatic system geared towards crime prevention. It efficiently deals with any radical variables that can potentially induce disorder in society. But then, what concerns me is the means by which the system collects its data. In other words, what exactly is reflected by an individual's Psycho-Pass number?

I have two possibilities in mind with regards to this. First, it might simply indicate a person's current mental stability. Or second, it might go as far as being a measure for an individual's tendency to commit a crime.

The former possibility is much easier to grasp. The Psycho-Pass serves as a general indicator of an individual's mental health. That way, anyone at the verge of breaking down from mental stress becomes a target for psychiatric evaluation. But if such was the case, it wouldn't make sense to treat the individuals as criminals right there and then. Is the prevention of crime as simple as singling out the mentally unstable individuals?

The latter possibility on the other hand is much more ominous since it goes much deeper than just measuring mental stability. Rather, it would measure how likely an individual would deviate from the norms established by society. A "crime", after all, is an act the goes against the rules of society. If that truly is what the Psycho-Pass measures, then I wouldn't be surprised if it could even read as a far as each individual's intentions, thoughts, and emotions in addition to mental stress. Going so far as to think about committing a crime would be enough to show on one's Psych-Pass number. In short, it would essentially be detecting "thoughtcrime" in that case.

The ultimate question here is the extent of the mind reading that the Sybil system does. How much of a person's mind can it actually see into? Does the concept of privacy still even exist in this setting?

I hope the the coming episodes elaborate a bit more on the entire system and how it works.
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Old 2012-10-20, 06:16   Link #1114
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The instant change in dress is sooo impossible....
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Old 2012-10-20, 06:20   Link #1115
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The instant change in dress is sooo impossible....
What I'm curious about here is if it's just purely a holographic projection (in which case, Akane might actually be wearing nothing, or nothing but underwear, for all we know ), or if they really are teleporting clothes on and off the body at very high speeds. If it's the latter, this world is more advanced than even the one in Star Trek: The Next Generation.
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What I'm curious about here is if it's just purely a holographic projection (in which case, Akane might actually be wearing nothing, or nothing but underwear, for all we know ), or if they really are teleporting clothes on and off the body at very high speeds. If it's the latter, this world is more advanced than even the one in Star Trek: The Next Generation.
It'll still feel cold...
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Old 2012-10-20, 07:27   Link #1117
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And there we have it. This Sybil system can't possibly be all bad. I mean, it DID give Akane a high ranking on her aptitude for being an inspector. And she was the one who spared the life of a woman who could be saved.
Yep, she saved someone who wasn't going to get killed to begin with, but ended up in the danger zone due to her interference with the initiate stun shot!
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Old 2012-10-20, 07:39   Link #1118
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Episode 2 flowed very nicely. Every character got a moment in the spotlight to tell a little bit of their story, but it still all centered around where Akane was going and what she was doing and thus never felt unnatural. Also Akane basically comes across like a moe Scully, though one has to wonder how she could possibly have perfect mental health when she always appears so downtrodden while interacting with people and like she's a burden to society despite everyone including at one point herself telling her otherwise. Maybe she's just too easygoing to ever have a mental breakdown, though something tells me eventually something will get to her and when it does the series will really be taking off.
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Old 2012-10-20, 08:03   Link #1119
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What I'm curious about here is if it's just purely a holographic projection (in which case, Akane might actually be wearing nothing, or nothing but underwear, for all we know ), or if they really are teleporting clothes on and off the body at very high speeds. If it's the latter, this world is more advanced than even the one in Star Trek: The Next Generation.
I thought it was just a holographic projection at first, but the costumes they wore when they arrested the stalker guy had a weight since Akane had a hard time moving inside it... Masuoka called it a holo-suit though.

One other thing: Akane was wearing heels with her casual outfit, and flat shoes with her work outfit. How does that work? Her height shouldn't be the same.
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I thought it was just a holographic projection at first, but the costumes they wore when they arrested the stalker guy had a weight since Akane had a hard time moving inside it... Masuoka called it a holo-suit though.

One other thing: Akane was wearing heels with her casual outfit, and flat shoes with her work outfit. How does that work? Her height shouldn't be the same.
isnt what she said is because she doesnt used to full body avatar?
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