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Old 2012-10-24, 14:11   Link #1221
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They're not different...that's why it's so funny. It's the same technique, just different name. Kubo already pulled this trying to use the different names as shock value.
It's different in the same way shunpo, sonido, and Hirenkyaku differ from one another--same overall effect, but slight differences to be noticed with the method and the result. (for instance, shunpo, sonido, and hirenkyaku produce different sounds.)

Anyways, Ichigo definitely used blut vene as evident by the fact that his veins were highlighted on the area that was struck. And while its effects are similar to hierro, at least there's a visible difference to be noticed. Kubo probably just comes up with this stuff to keep all these different types of powers separate but equal.
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Old 2012-10-24, 14:23   Link #1222
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I figured he meant "Yes", he is the leader, but "No", he isn't the enemy, since he sees Soul Society as being the bad guys.
That's more or less how I understood it too. He repeated the word "enemy" before answering the question, so his answer was related to that and not about him being the leader. Yes, he is the enemy of Soul Society, but no he is not THE enemy (of humans). The king will probably be the true enemy.

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Quite possibly. I really hope this is true then, but I recall that chapter causing a bit of controversy as either some translators or some of the raw copies of the magazines had 2 different things. One saying Ichigo was...

'the child of a shiningami and a...'

and the other being

'the child of a human and a...'

and I don't think either was cleared up to be the real one or not. But either way, it seems likely since we already knew Isshin was a Shinigami that Aizen was going to explain Masaki (if there's anything special about her).
That was cleared up in the tankoubon. The correct sentence is "You the son of a human and... a shinigami". That was a simple lead-in to the revelation Ichigo's father was a shinigami.

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Bach just has his terms wrong...it's hierro. Ichigo is not a quincy.
No, it's definitely blut vene. We've only seen the mark on Ichigo's neck on Quincies.
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Old 2012-10-24, 14:50   Link #1223
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just you watch, next chapter Ichigo can use blut to attack and defend at the same time.

I also think the soul king might be the real villain here and that he's the reason the whole war between the quincy and shinigami broke down in the first place.

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ICHIGO IS INDEED MEGAMAN!
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Old 2012-10-24, 14:57   Link #1224
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Woah, it suddenly makes sense…

ICHIGO IS INDEED MEGAMAN!
LOL! too true and way too easy to call. even after assuming he would get quincy powers at the start of this arc i am still finding it hard to believe it actually happened just based on the sheer simplicity of the concept. i would have much prefered that ichigo actually had a worthwhile training with zengetsu and learned to manipulate his bankai into other forms like how byakuya and others did, maybe even something resembling quincy powers or defenses from quincy powers, just something of his own would have been much cooler. instead he is indeed megaman as you put it. if he eats a leaf will he become tanooki ichigo?
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Old 2012-10-24, 16:20   Link #1225
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This arc has just become officially worse than the Fullbring Arc.
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Old 2012-10-24, 16:41   Link #1226
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I’ve reread the chapter and still, I feel nothing about it. I’m not annoyed or disappointed; I’m not livid that Ichigo has once again—somehow—obtained a power that should be well out of his grasp. I’m just apathetic. I feel nothing. This type of turn of events has happened so many times in this series that the shock value is completely gone. The tread on the tires has essentially been rubbed raw.

I was curious when Ichigo became a shinigami. I thought it made since that he had to confront his inner hollow. I raged during the Fullbringer arc and now with this allusion to becoming a Quincy almost complete (whether because Masaki was a quincy or Ichigo has somehow absorbed their powers) I just feel nothing. Of course this would happen to Ichigo. He is seemingly tied to each type of character in this series, and therefore, can have some (or all) of their powers. I’m just more curious of how Kubo will work this into the actual story and explain how Ichigo has these new powers.

I also kind of lean toward the notion that Bach might not be the main villain anymore. If that is the case, I can see what was supposed to be a joke ending up a reality.
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Or maybe we’ll end up with an even more OP Quincy than Bach. If Kubo somehow tries to make one of the Ishidas the main villain I won’t be able to take it seriously. Uryu has never been that strong. Granted, he was strong at the beginning of the series, but he has become somewhat of a joke since then. Plus his father is supposed to 'not care' about Quincy stuff—it would be really out of character.

But I do see where others interpreted Bach saying, “Yes and no” as an “I did do this but I’m not your enemy (or really, I don’t want to be your enemy).” I can see Kubo flip-flopping on Bach being the main villain though. It wouldn't be the first time he changed his mind on this matter.
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Old 2012-10-24, 17:46   Link #1227
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So Ichigo is like, quarter quincy, quarter shinigami, quarter hollow, and quarter fullbringer.

Can't say I'm totally surprised at this "revelation", though. What's next?
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Old 2012-10-24, 18:32   Link #1228
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So Ichigo is like, quarter quincy, quarter shinigami, quarter hollow, and quarter fullbringer.

Can't say I'm totally surprised at this "revelation", though. What's next?
Ichigo is not human at all?!? Say it ain't so!!
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Old 2012-10-24, 18:58   Link #1229
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^ Well can you call someone who's part hollow, part fullbringer, now it seems part quincy a complete human?
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:06   Link #1230
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The fact that Masaki is a human doesn't dismiss the fact that Ichigo might be half-Quincy, since all Quincies are humans in the first place.

However, there's a possibility that the reference to Blut Vene might be a mistaken reference to other "racial" defensive abilities.
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:08   Link #1231
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The fact that Masaki is a human doesn't dismiss the fact that Ichigo might be half-Quincy, since all Quincies are humans in the first place.

However, there's a possibility that the reference to Blut Vene might be a mistaken reference to other "racial" defensive abilities.
It's kind of hard to imagine that one of the strongest Quincies can't distinguish an ability from his own kind though.
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:50   Link #1232
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Wow... thank god this is the last arc.

I was really hoping we'd see some Hollow Ichigo again.... shucks.
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:50   Link #1233
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The sad...sad part is that a friend of mine called Ichigo having Quincy powers back when the Vizards first showed up...now I owe him a free lobster dinner.

Thanks Kubo...
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:06   Link #1234
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Is adult Nel back yet?
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:07   Link #1235
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Is adult Nel back yet?
Nope, you can go back into hiding now.
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:10   Link #1236
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I'll be glad if Kubo shows even Yoruichi again( preferably having beaten the pulp out of one of the shitritters)
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:54   Link #1237
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Ichigo is like a character with a dynamic power level that conforms to the power level of the opponent but goes one step above it. Maybe that is really his mojo. The ability of the main character. It doesn't seem that odd, because now he is always able to copy the ability of the opponent.
Seems the same thing Kenpachi does, but forced...
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Old 2012-10-24, 21:18   Link #1238
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My cousin just read this chapter. The moment she finished, she busted out laughing. When I asked her why, she basically said that was the most literal form of plot armor she'd ever seen.
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Old 2012-10-24, 21:19   Link #1239
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Nope, you can go back into hiding now.
Yoiks, and away!

(but really, that and the remaining bankais are the only things I'm interested in at this point )
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Old 2012-10-24, 22:22   Link #1240
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Bit of fail on Bach's part...
He stabbed Ichigo in the neck with a huge frickin' sword and then noticed he was still breathing... and he didn't notice there was anything wrong with that picture. Really, an attack like that probably should have taken off ichigo's head, much less leave him breathing.
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