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Old 2012-10-24, 11:30   Link #1221
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The show creators would only have two reasons to raise the possibility that those two are lesbians. Because they are lesbians, or they want to make us think they're lesbians, but have it turn out that they're not.

Given Akane's nonchalance about the entire thing, I don't think they're gonna a pull a "But they're actually totally straight!" on us.
One is adjusting her tie and the other is pulling up her pantyhose. I thought that was an obvious post sex scene. One or both are either bi or lesbian imo.
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Old 2012-10-24, 12:02   Link #1222
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Lol at some people complaining about the fact that this thread likes lesbians XDDDD Just go back to the K thread lol.
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Old 2012-10-24, 18:02   Link #1223
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Two details I think nobody has mention.

1. The lesbian doctor is a latent criminal, thus proving that if your hue gets permanently too blurry you are shafted into working for the state (since not working at all is clearly bad for your mental health and any private institution would not accept latent criminals as employees). Liked how Akane wasn't intimidated by the blonde, she is no pushover.
I'm relieved not to be the only one to have noticed for the The lesbian doctor this I guess after episode 2 with the scene or moment Akane enters the lab and there or have seen put these tights
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:16   Link #1224
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There was no need to check the guy's hue because they were going to arrest him regardless. There was a report of a dangerous hue in the area and that guy was it. Why waste time checking for something you already know?
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:19   Link #1225
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There was no need to check the guy's hue because they were going to arrest him regardless. There was a report of a dangerous hue in the area and that guy was it. Why waste time checking for something you already know?
That he was the suspect was only the cops intiution. There was nothing wrong with making sure.
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:22   Link #1226
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His intuition is the exact reason why he was hired to begin with. Let those with high crime coefficients sniff out guys that are similar to themselves.
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Old 2012-10-24, 19:47   Link #1227
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His intuition is the exact reason why he was hired to begin with. Let those with high crime coefficients sniff out guys that are similar to themselves.
He was a veteran cop before he became an enforcer, so I do not see any intuition in play, just years of experience dealing with these kind of people.

From what we have seen so far IMO the hue level detector is merely giving a quantification of the level of psychosis human beings have at the moment, so thinking a mentally unstable person can sniff* another is a fallacy.

*as in, identifying them just by looking at them without having any kind of verbal interaction.
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:21   Link #1228
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This isn't real life, and it isn't work. It's an animated series This isn't really about personal/professional principles.

What happened wasn't some weird coincidence. The people who made the show deliberately put this scene in knowing what it looked like at first glance. This means the primary reason the scene exists is to raise the possibility in our minds that the Doctor and the other Enforcer are lesbians.
My point is that we're making a mountain out of a molehill of a very throwaway scene. I'm all for there being a homosexual angle to this story, but until I see that developed substantially in the plot, I'm unwilling to say that this is what this series is going to be about. What I'm also saying is that we should avoid seeing things the way we would love to see it (ooh, look hot lesbian sex*, oolalalala) and concentrate just on the facts — and the facts simply are that Akane happened to see the female enforcer step out of the room while the doctor was in a state of undress.

How do we know that it wasn't a case of the doctor trying to seduce the enforcer, who then rejected her advances? As I said, context changes everything, and I'm sure we've all been caught in situations that made us look horribly wrong when the reality was the complete opposite.


* I'd add that such reaction is juvenile at best, and highly disrespectful at worst to homosexual individuals. For homosexual behaviour to be reduced to "oooh, kinky sex, hubba hubba hubba" is hardly "progressive" in my book.


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Elemental my dear TinyRedLeaf, she got life without parole for a crime she never committed, she cannot leave the building so even if she has vacations or a high numbers salary at best she can buy some nice gadgets for her apartment. The only way she can meet new people is asking for a transfer to another area. So the problem is not precisely that she got to work for the government, working for a private company would not improve her situation. I highly doubt the doctor hue is cloudy due to her sexual orientation. I think it has more to due to the fact that she is a sexual predator.So someday when she hits her retirement age her reward for a life of service will be being transferred to a permanent jail, <sarcasm>isn't that wonderful?</sarcasm>
You're full of wishful thinking, so I shan't aggravate things further. If that's what rocks your boat, go ahead. I'll simply reiterate that it's possible for anyone to twist facts any which way to suit his arguments, but that doesn't make his assertions any more true. You may well be right, but as the facts stand, we don't yet know with full certainty that is the case.
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:33   Link #1229
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If anything, there aren't enough "Eww, lesbians!" comments in here considering the "O noez is diz ghei?" reactions in threads like K and Zetsuen. If the show ends up acknowledging/further hinting at their relationship, it's only right that there be more comments along the lines of "Such a shame they had to put this lesbian stuff in here. DROPPED.".
As I recall there were certain members complaining about possible BL in Psycho Pass before the series aired.

Personally I hope there will be Yaoi and Yuri and I can just sit back and laugh at all the hypocritical reactions.
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:35   Link #1230
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My point is that we're making a mountain out of a molehill of a very throwaway scene. I'm all for there being a homosexual angle to this story, but until I see that developed substantially in the plot, I'm unwilling to say that this is what this series is going to be about. What I'm also saying is that we should avoid seeing things the way we would love to see it (ooh, look hot lesbian sex*, oolalalala) and concentrate just on the facts and the facts simply are that Akane happened to see the female enforcer step out of the room while the doctor was in a state of undress.

How do we know that it wasn't a case of the doctor trying to seduce the enforcer, who then rejected her advances? As I said, context changes everything, and I'm sure we've all been caught in situations that made us look horribly wrong when the reality was the complete opposite.
Because the Enforcer didn't look angry when she walked out the room and her gait was normal.

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* I'd add that such reaction is juvenile at best, and highly disrespectful at worst to homosexual individuals. For homosexual behaviour to be reduced to "oooh, kinky sex, hubba hubba hubba" is hardly "progressive" in my book.
You've just described prob a large percentage of yuri and yaoi scenes in anime.
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:44   Link #1231
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This and Kamisama are probaly the only shows this season in which it feels like five minutes before the show ends. Which is good...

I'm glad to see that the MC(forgot his name) wasn't mad at all with Akane. I thought for sure it was going to go the route of 'Everyone haet Akane for messing up' though I don't know what Akira Ishida's problem was...

And why is everyone making a big deal about the hoyay? Bad enough the K thread was all like this....
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:46   Link #1232
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It's easier for the fanboys to jump to conclusion that they had lesbian sex after seeing one girl fixing her tie and the other pulling up her pantyhose but they can't make a connection that maybe two guys kissing in the mouth may be romantically inclined (like in No. 6. *smirk*) Omoshiroi....
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Old 2012-10-24, 20:50   Link #1233
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I didn't even pick up on that. You're talking about when Akane's with those girls?

MC and Akane are kind of hot together.
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Old 2012-10-24, 21:06   Link #1234
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I can't with the denial of some posters here XDDD What even hahahahahaha.

Anyway, can't wait for the next episode! Woot!
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Old 2012-10-24, 21:24   Link #1235
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what this series need to show is people behaving calmly when being asked to have theirs checked, like when the cops check on your drivers license.
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Old 2012-10-24, 21:31   Link #1236
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I'm relieved not to be the only one to have noticed for the The lesbian doctor this I guess after episode 2 with the scene or moment Akane enters the lab and there or have seen put these tights
Several people mentioned it before you did, including me.
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Old 2012-10-24, 21:40   Link #1237
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Because the Enforcer didn't look angry when she walked out the room and her gait was normal.
You don't have to be angry when turning down a sexual proposition, especially if this is a society that has become blase about sex, a la 1984. Now, I'm not denying that something has been implied, but innuendo is hardly solid proof, is it?

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You've just described prob a large percentage of yuri and yaoi scenes in anime.
Indeed. You'll never find me claiming anime to be particularly progressive when it comes to issues of sexual orientation and gender identity. Sure, a handful of niche titles do explore such topics intelligently, but the vast majority of anime is chauvinistic or, worse, misogynist. And it reflects on Japanese society as a whole, to be sure.
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Old 2012-10-24, 22:08   Link #1238
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You may well be right, but as the facts stand, we don't yet know with full certainty that is the case.
Mhh, so I am at fault for making deductions of this show even if ATM they cannot be proved wrong? What I see is that you dislike my conclusions, feel free to tell where is the fallacy on any part of my posts, that is what keeps this thread interesting, shooting down deductions just because they are different from yours is not fun.
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Old 2012-10-24, 22:48   Link #1239
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Mhh, so I am at fault for making deductions of this show even if ATM they cannot be proved wrong? What I see is that you dislike my conclusions, feel free to tell where is the fallacy on any part of my posts, that is what keeps this thread interesting, shooting down deductions just because they are different from yours is not fun.
Perhaps it's a problem of language? There's nothing wrong with making deductions, but the way you phrase them makes it seem as though you are passing assertions for fact, and that's a poor way to approach any argument.

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1. The lesbian doctor is a latent criminal, thus proving that if your hue gets permanently too blurry you are shafted into working for the state.
Non sequitur. You make a number of assertions, but none of them are definitively linked, nor has the show conclusively established the cause and effect. How does the doctor's status as a "latent criminal" prove that if one's crime coefficient becomes too blurry you get shafted into working for the state? We don't know the reason she is flagged as a latent criminal, much less whether her hue is "permanent". To be sure, if you wanted to make such a case, the better example to use would be that of Akane's blue-collar friend, who scored only Cs in aptitude tests, and is thus "condemned" to work in manual labour.

I would add that it's debatable whether putting people into such pigeonholes based on aptitude tests is "condemnable". If it were such a bad thing, why aren't we kicking up more of a fuss over such practices in real life? Yes, it's already a reality. That's what academic rankings and annual job performance appraisals are for. In sport like baseball, for example, where reliance on Sabermetrics is a norm, a player's position and value is largely determined by what numbers he generates over time. Is it fair to pigeonhole a player that way? Whatever happened to playing for the fun of the game, and what happened to building people holistically through sport?

The Sibyl System only makes such practices more widespread and upfront. I could argue it dispels the happy illusion of freedom we cloak ourselves with today, and forces us to confront reality as it is.

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2. The enforcer hit the suspect first and then read his hue, from what we know from such a surprising and brutal attack his hue should have rocketed sky high and there is a chance that he wasn't the perp they were looking for.
You're guilty of a common practice among tabloid newspapers: you've deliberately misrepresented the scenario through the use of emotive words like "brutal" to make the enforcer look worse than he actually was.

As the facts stand, the enforcer didn't hit the suspect first. As shown in the episode, he approached the man and asked politely to check his crime coefficient. The man panicked, and used physical force to push aside the enforcer in an attempt to escape. In such a situation, the enforcer is well within his rights to react physically to apprehend the man. The scan that followed proved his suspicion, that the man did indeed have a high stress reading and therefore needs to be apprehended by law.

I could go on. You can make deductions and are free to speculate. But when we are not sure, when we don't have definitive proof, we can't go around making statements that assume we do. That's my beef with your assertions.


It's very important how we use language, that we don't say more or less than what we mean. Given the possible influences that novels like 1984 may have had on a show like this, it's apt perhaps to remind people of the evils of Newspeak, and of the problems that arise when language is abused and turned into propaganda for one's pet topics.
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Old 2012-10-24, 23:32   Link #1240
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MC and Akane are kind of hot together.
I think right now Akane is the MC. This might change later on but right now she drives the plot and has the POV.
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