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Old 2012-10-30, 07:25   Link #1301
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Wouldn't be suprised if Bach treats him like that. lol
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:28   Link #1302
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Aizen is immortal now.
oh yea . lol .
but didnt Bach knew that ? whats the point of the explosion back then in Aizen's prison then ?

And how the hell did Aizen knew that messing with Bach's perception of time will work ? haxx much ? lol .
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:29   Link #1303
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So Ichigo's bankai got sliced into half ... again ...
that's the biggest surprise to me tbh.. it made sense when Byakuya split his zanpaktou or when Kenpachi pierced through it because Ichigo was still developing his power, actually he had more power than sense, a bit like Madarame's Bankai which is all about power but lacks stability

but Ichigo learned a lot about his Zanpaktou, he talked to it many times, he fought Zangetsu multiple times, he can even do the meditation thing

so why can Haschwald break Zangetsu so easily? please don't give me the "uuuuh Ichigo's power is still unstable, fluctuating, etc" excuse Kubo, it's damn time to acknowledge Ichigo's finesse at being a shinigami

maybe Haschwald has a very nasty ability?
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:37   Link #1304
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Zangetsu got sliced because...it's not Ichigo's time to shine yet. So, his quincy mom hooked up with a shinigami and nobody in SS thought there would be complications about that? How come Ichigo wasn't as famous as Harry Potter in the 12th division, Mayuri would love a piece of him...

Anyways, recap: Ichigo doesn't know about himself (served 100% Ginjou style), he's still weak and it's time for the bad guy to leave (100% Aizen style).
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:38   Link #1305
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that's the biggest surprise to me tbh.. it made sense when Byakuya split his zanpaktou or when Kenpachi pierced through it because Ichigo was still developing his power, actually he had more power than sense, a bit like Madarame's Bankai which is all about power but lacks stability

but Ichigo learned a lot about his Zanpaktou, he talked to it many times, he fought Zangetsu multiple times, he can even do the meditation thing

so why can Haschwald break Zangetsu so easily? please don't give me the "uuuuh Ichigo's power is still unstable, fluctuating, etc" excuse Kubo, it's damn time to acknowledge Ichigo's finesse at being a shinigami

maybe Haschwald has a very nasty ability?
Well whatever the case is, at least Haschwald did something other than screaming "Your Majesty!!!" every chapters. Seriously, he's starting to remind me of Orihime now.
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:39   Link #1306
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SS arc will gone and New arc for Quincy !?
Kubo you destroy my mind now .!!!
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:40   Link #1307
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oh No...!! wake up guys it's been on Aizen plan 1000 years ago...
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:44   Link #1308
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yea bleach has offiically gone to the stupid side
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Old 2012-10-30, 07:55   Link #1309
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yea bleach has offiically gone to the stupid side
Please literate why it has gone to the stupid side?
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:03   Link #1310
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ok, i have personally gained back my faith in Kubo. Bleach 514, one of the most epic if not the most epic chapter of the year. Well done Kubo, well done.
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:04   Link #1311
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Guys, Bach is not Ichigo's father. The reason he called him "son" is that he is the patriarch of the quincy, and I'm willing to bet Ichigo's ancestor on his mother's side. Aizen already confirmed that Isshin is Ichigo's father, and Aizen is never wrong. Besides, there are too many similarities between Ichigo and Isshin (their zanpakuto)

Speaking of Aizen, I liked how he managed to troll Bach while still being sealed. I guess this confirms he still has kyouka suigetsu.
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:17   Link #1312
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Guys, Bach is not Ichigo's father. The reason he called him "son" is that he is the patriarch of the quincy, and I'm willing to bet Ichigo's ancestor on his mother's side. Aizen already confirmed that Isshin is Ichigo's father, and Aizen is never wrong. Besides, there are too many similarities between Ichigo and Isshin (their zanpakuto)

Speaking of Aizen, I liked how he managed to troll Bach while still being sealed. I guess this confirms he still has kyouka suigetsu.
i hope we can get a better translated chapter though. i'd like to know if bach really used the word son or just another word for boy or young one. if the word he used really means son then that's another matter.
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:36   Link #1313
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Guys, Bach is not Ichigo's father. The reason he called him "son" is that he is the patriarch of the quincy, and I'm willing to bet Ichigo's ancestor on his mother's side. Aizen already confirmed that Isshin is Ichigo's father, and Aizen is never wrong. Besides, there are too many similarities between Ichigo and Isshin (their zanpakuto)

Speaking of Aizen, I liked how he managed to troll Bach while still being sealed. I guess this confirms he still has kyouka suigetsu.
Although it is not confirmed what Bach really meant with his comment, there is a very good chance he is.

Isshin might have lied to Ichigo or kept him in dark. Everything told to ichigo might have been a lie.

Isshin could have been some one who was sent to earth to look over Ichigo and his mom. Maybe one of the higher ups in soul society sent Isshin to make sure Ichigo doesn't pose a threat to soul society.

Or another theory maybe Isshin helped Ichigo and his mom to run away from soul society. Maybe they were under threat/danger because they were related to Juah Bach. So in a way maybe he defected from soul society and saved ichigo and his mom.

Yes complete opposite. I think at this point there could be many other plausible theories out there.

The reason i said i have gained my faith back in kubo is because bleach suddenly to me became much less predictable. Imo very good plot twist.

And few other notes, why does Juah Bach cares for Ichigo so much. He seems to care about Ichigo much more than other quincies. This is suspicious ( even more so since it's Kubo hinting it). He went to the trouble of making sure Ichigo is separated from the fight ( one could say from harm). One of the main objectives of this fight might have been to get Ichigo back.

Also wasn't it Ukitake who told Ichigo they made him the Shinigami rep so that they could keep track of him and see what he does? I don't exactly remember but wasn't it something like this?

Why to go over so much trouble over just one person?

I am not saying for certain he is not Isshin's son or not. I am just saying there is a good possibility at the moment.

Just think about the moment when Aizen was confirmed as a bad guy. If you think about that, in a way it won't be that big of a surprise ( relatively) if Isshin wasn't the father.

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i hope we can get a better translated chapter though. i'd like to know if bach really used the word son or just another word for boy or young one. if the word he used really means son then that's another matter.
Agreed .
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:48   Link #1314
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Hey, maybe Ichigo's mom was already pregnant from Bach, when she left him for Isshin.

Jokes aside: I don't really like it, that Ichigo always gains new powers. Why not become good with the ones he already has?
And the fact that every villian knows more about his family and relationships that he himself is also a bit disturbing.
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:56   Link #1315
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And few other notes, why does Juah Bach cares for Ichigo so much. He seems to care about Ichigo much more than other quincies. This is suspicious ( even more so since it's Kubo hinting it). He went to the trouble of making sure Ichigo is separated from the fight ( one could say from harm). One of the main objectives of this fight might have been to get Ichigo back.
I remember something along the lines of " because Ichigo is one of those Special War Potentials ".

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Also wasn't it Ukitake who told Ichigo they made him the Shinigami rep so that they could keep track of him and see what he does? I don't exactly remember but wasn't it something like this?

Why to go over so much trouble over just one person?
And thats because they dont want to have another Ginjou as far as I can remember .
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:57   Link #1316
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Although it is not confirmed what Bach really meant with his comment, there is a very good chance he is.

Isshin might have lied to Ichigo or kept him in dark. Everything told to ichigo might have been a lie.

Isshin could have been some one who was sent to earth to look over Ichigo and his mom. Maybe one of the higher ups in soul society sent Isshin to make sure Ichigo doesn't pose a threat to soul society.
Except that doesn't really make sense. If both of Ichigo's parents are quincies, then where did he get his shinigami powers from? Why are his abilities as a shinigami exactly the same as Isshin's? (getsuga tenshou, mugetsu...)

There's no doubt in my mind that Isshin is his real father.
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Old 2012-10-30, 08:58   Link #1317
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It's too conspicuous
Kubo forced this kind of plot twist =_='
Ichigo? a hybrid of a human, a shinigami, a hollow, a fullbringer and a quincy?
for crying out loud, he even became his own technique once
I do admit that The Real Getsuga was pretty cool but this....

I'm too far in to bleach to stop
might as well finish it since this is the last arc
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Old 2012-10-30, 09:07   Link #1318
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Except that doesn't really make sense. If both of Ichigo's parents are quincies, then where did he get his shinigami powers from? Why are his abilities as a shinigami exactly the same as Isshin's? (getsuga tenshou, mugetsu...)

There's no doubt in my mind that Isshin is his real father.
ever considered that ichigo might actually be an aizen experiment? what if he turns out to be a quincy who was infused with shinigami powers just because aizen thought it would be interesting? he infused hollow powers on shinigami and arrancar so why not play with quincies and shinigami? the fact that ichigo has isshin's powers could simply mean that isshin took part in the whole experiment. it was his shinigami powers that were implanted into ichigo, that's why they have similar zanpakutou. i know this seems farfetched but this is kubo we're talking about, anything is possible with him if he wants it to happen in his world. just look at the number of power-ups he has given ichigo, isn't that a bit too much for just one 17-year-old hero? shonen manga are known for their overpowered heroes but ichigo is definitely one of the most overpowered ones in recent history.
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Old 2012-10-30, 09:08   Link #1319
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Hey, maybe Ichigo's mom was already pregnant from Bach, when she left him for Isshin.

Jokes aside: I don't really like it, that Ichigo always gains new powers. Why not become good with the ones he already has?
And the fact that every villian knows more about his family and relationships that he himself is also a bit disturbing.
Bach doesn't have to be his father ( though he could be). Nor Isshin has to ( again he could be).

Since the majority of people who know about his past seem to be of those who have been a shinigami/Quincy for a long time, it could mean that maybe Ichigo has existed for thousand of years.

Even if he could have been given birth by her mother recently, it could be that maybe he was sealed or reborn, ... and eventually came back. This is not really that uncommon in anime in general.


I wanted to mention this last week, but doesn't Ichigo's bankai and Juah Bach look similar? Ichigo's Bankai looks like a younger version of current Juah bach. For all we know maybe Juah bach is Ichigo's grandfather and not really his real father. Maybe Juah Bach's son was Ichigo's real father.

Many people could of course argue that Kubo drawing style is so that his characters look a alike. That could be possible but by the same token maybe Ichigo's Bankai and Juah bach are some what related.

It could even be that Juah Bach has some level Shinigami power. Maybe Quincy and Shinigami powers overlap, ... . There are so many possibilities at the moment. This is why i think Kubo is doing a great job and have gained my faith back.
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Old 2012-10-30, 09:21   Link #1320
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I remember something along the lines of " because Ichigo is one of those Special War Potentials ".


And thats because they dont want to have another Ginjou as far as I can remember .
You might be right, but let me come up with a counter argument.

The war potential comment could have been to distract us. Also it could be a plot hole at the moment. Also what does special war potential really mean? They way i saw it was that if Juah Bach wanted to , he could have killed Ichigo very easily. Also didn't Ichigo actually lose his hand in this chapter? I couldn't really make it out from the drawing but it looked like it. So even the guy that was with Juah Bach could have easily defeated Ichigo. Juah bach talks about having send that guy to imprison Ichigo/not allow him to get to soul society. He talks about wanting to take Ichigo back . He seemed very sad he couldn't. He could have killed ichigo easily if he wanted to. Aizen wrote a letter to his vice captain talking about how hitsugaya is a traitor. Did that mean that he was? The text doesn't have to mean what it says all the time . But yeah, i could very well be wrong. i am just proposing a few theories.

And as they didn't want another Ginjou, might have been an excuse to ichigo. If soul society wanted to hide something important about him from Ichigo, would they really tell him the real reason why he was being watched?


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Except that doesn't really make sense. If both of Ichigo's parents are quincies, then where did he get his shinigami powers from? Why are his abilities as a shinigami exactly the same as Isshin's? (getsuga tenshou, mugetsu...)

There's no doubt in my mind that Isshin is his real father.
I addressed that in few posts below that post .

But Ichigo's (real) mother doesn't have to Isshin's wife or supposed wife.

As i have stated my opinion, this chapter included a lot of uncertainty. At this point i am doubting who really is Ichigo's mother and father. Kubo could pull another Aizen. I am not really saying Isshin can't be his father. I am just adding a few more theories to the mix .

Also you talked about abilities he share with Isshin. Then let's talk about his Hollow powers as well. So If he has Hollow powers as well, then does that mean he had to have a hollow father/mother? This could be a result of an experiment as well.
Hollows who had Shinigami powers, did they have Shinigami blood?

As i said a few post earlier, maybe the two even overlap ( Shinigami and quincy powers).
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