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Old 2012-10-31, 23:34   Link #8541
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I don't think waiting 9 years to do a Negima redux while a new series ends is a good idea. Strike while the iron is still hot.
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Old 2012-11-01, 00:25   Link #8542
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Perhaps this is true, but at the same time maybe KA'd like to sort through what exactly did go on during that time, plus who says all series run for 9 years? It could be a short one
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Old 2012-11-01, 00:35   Link #8543
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I sure hope not I'm not going to get into this but suffice it to say a great many people would be annoyed at a retcon like that.

Anyway, no info on what he's doing next here from me, but I do hope that we get a Negima 2/extended cut/ whatever eventually, I don't even care if his next series isn't that, I just think that he left it hanging and it's really unfortunate he didn't get to finish it the way he wanted to
It wouldn't exactly be a retcon in 353, Asuna replied to it being fine when someone asked whether it was alright in response to the confession, and her reply was its okay because the future is a blank page, so while it ruled out Asuna when he was 10 years later it may have been different, in other words he left it as open as possible.

Was looking at older posts and would one saying that some people thought he said it was Asuna herself and her reaction was to keep it open or something like that i loled at that post.
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Old 2012-11-01, 01:15   Link #8544
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It might not seem like one to you but the fact that Negi said he had a girl he liked, and told Asuna and she answered in a way that showed at the very least it wasn't her, would make turning it right back around and going "lol it actually was Asuna the whole time" would be kind of a what the hell KA moment. Just ignore the fact that Negi actually likes a different girl and throw him right back at Asuna why don't you
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Old 2012-11-01, 01:46   Link #8545
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It might not seem like one to you but the fact that Negi said he had a girl he liked, and told Asuna and she answered in a way that showed at the very least it wasn't her, would make turning it right back around and going "lol it actually was Asuna the whole time" would be kind of a what the hell KA moment. Just ignore the fact that Negi actually likes a different girl and throw him right back at Asuna why don't you
But the fact that KA keeps trying to mention that the future is a blank page leads me to believe that he was trying to keep it as open as possible, I mean he is 10 and feelings definitely can change in tine was what I got from how things ended and does give him a chance to do more with the series.
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Old 2012-11-01, 10:43   Link #8546
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I... somehow doubt the future is a blank slate thing was aimed at Asuna, since that happened within the same chapter I believe, I think it was just for those who assumed it was Ku Fei due to Chao or that he'd never marry like in the other dimension, and that this time he might.

But if that's what you want to make of it go ahead I guess
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Old 2012-11-01, 11:39   Link #8547
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I am not saying it was aimed at Asuna just that KA mentioned this a total of 3 times within the last few chapters I believe he did not want to sink any ship so he was trying to ensure that it was left as open as possible, the fact that he doesn't reveal who he ends up with years later shows he doesn't want to Negi to commit to whoever he thought he liked when he was ten. Which leaves it open to Asuna as well as everyone else.

KA definitely did not want to sink the Asuna and Negi ship as from what I have seen its his favourite relationship dynamic. Asuna and Negi are similar in some ways to Naru and Keitaro, when Asuna was captured, and Chisame had the role of being Negi's guardian, the dynamics of that relationship was fundamentally similar to Asuna and Negi IMO. At the graduation when Asuna finds out who he likes, she once again denies having romantic feelings for him, "it's not like that, and even if it was the future is a blank page" from that I figured she was saying if she does fall for him, she still has a chance at it.
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Old 2012-11-01, 20:45   Link #8548
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At that point, I doubt Akamatsu cared anymore about giving serious answers to anything. If he ever comes back to Negima, which I won't believe until I see it, he should put more serious thought into it, because he obviously was madly rushing a conclusion by then, regardless of any inner logics or storytelling rules.

Since even he seemed to hint in the final volume's message a future Negima project could be a visit into an alternate timeline, I wouldn't be shocked if he just decided to disregard the final volumes and everything that was said there. If I had him before me, I'd actually suggest him to do that, since the final two volumes were a practically irredeemable mess.
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Old 2012-11-01, 21:47   Link #8549
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I don't know about a whole two volumes (mostly because I don't remember what happened 2 volumes before the end, but certainly towards the end when he suddenly found out he had to finish the manga or lose it it was rushed yeah, for good reason sure but half assing an ending like that was still a little annoying even with the explanation
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Old 2012-11-01, 23:07   Link #8550
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I'm starting to doubt the "Finish the manga now or lose it" explanation now, since he went back to announce his next project would be with Kodansha anyway. What happened? Did they buy him off, or was the popular guess just a fanmade excuse (remember he never officially announced a specific reason for the abrupt end. All we got were conjectures based on his fallout with Kodansha, but we never got to see which circumstances went on between that and the reconciliation)?

If he doesn't come back to Negima right after this, now he's apparently got no beef with Kodansha anymore, he'll just be showing he grew tired or sick with the series and dropkicked it. That isn't a good omen for his next project, since there's no guarantee he won't do the same thing when he gets tired again or when he has another fight with his bosses (the same company he had the problem with, after all).

A fanwork artist has the excuse of just quitting when he feels like it, but a professional has the obligation to be... well, professional. If you grow tired with what you're doing, bear up with it. That's why you're being paid. Try finding yourself ways to keep yourself interested, but don't let your audience down.

I have my doubts his reputation could survive if he pulls another "end of Negima" again.
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Old 2012-11-02, 00:14   Link #8551
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From what I remember of Love Hina, Akamatsu doesn't really have the best track record of wrapping things up neatly. The later chapters of that were downright painful. And even if he felt that he needed to finish Negima when he did... I can think of at least a dozen different ways that would have been smoother than how it actually happened.
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Old 2012-11-02, 00:55   Link #8552
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Oh it wasn't ever said by KA? I thought I remembered being told that was how KA explained it to his fans, but I don't know where I heard that now so maybe it was indeed just conjecture, who knows, well if he doesn't have any beef wih Kodansha I guess we'll see based on if he makes a continuation or not if it was drop kicked or he just tried to keep his rights to it.

EDIT: And while I hated LH's ending myself was it actually objectively bad? I thought I just didn't like it because I hated the pairing
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Old 2012-11-03, 06:41   Link #8553
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From what I remember of Love Hina, Akamatsu doesn't really have the best track record of wrapping things up neatly. The later chapters of that were downright painful. And even if he felt that he needed to finish Negima when he did... I can think of at least a dozen different ways that would have been smoother than how it actually happened.
Even a Shaman King-type massive cliffhanger would have been better than this.
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Old 2012-11-04, 08:43   Link #8554
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The worst thing you could say about Love Hina's ending was it was too predictable (the other girls never stood any chance of winning, and the story always was unfairly biased towards Naru), but at least it played fair with its setting's rules and what had happened previously.

Negima's ending was much much worse because it didn't actually solve anything in a coherent way. Everything that wasn't complete unadressed was just given an one panel handwave, often going against the characters' direction for the whole manga (Chisame was opening herself instead of closing herself down, Akira never showed any interested on what she ended up doing, you can't justify Hakase ending up with Godel just from a meager roster annotation, you can't close Ako's arc just by saying "she had her back fixed, the end") and so on.
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Old 2012-11-04, 13:44   Link #8555
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Love Hina's actual ending wasn't bothersome at all, but before then there was a long sequence of chapters that seemed largely pointless and only served as an attempt to delay the inevitable ending. It felt like Akamatsu was done with the story but wasn't letting that stop him from continuing it.
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Old 2012-11-04, 16:03   Link #8556
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It felt like Akamatsu was done with the story but wasn't letting that stop him from continuing it.
Ironically, it was the exact opposite with Negima- the story wasn't and couldn't possibly be over yet, but Akamatsu put the pillow on its face and pressed it down until it stopped moving anyway.
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Old 2012-11-30, 13:22   Link #8557
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Looks like Ken Akamatsu's next work is going to be a new story altogether.

Disappointing news for Negima fans? Yeah. However, it probably may be best for Ken Akamatsu to concentrate on a new story for now before continuing Negima (especially given the mess that was the last two volumes).
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Old 2012-11-30, 20:13   Link #8558
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As long as it doesn't completely destroy any hope for continuation/expansion of negima-verse, I'm fine with it
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Old 2012-11-30, 22:12   Link #8559
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Yeah I'll wait a little longer, I'll only fully give up hope if this new manga ends and KA makes yet another new one, he needs the time away from it at the moment to figure out how on earth he's going to fix it so go ahead and have it
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Old 2012-12-01, 15:00   Link #8560
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By the time this new manga is over, who will give a crap about Negima anymore? Odds are this is just Akamatsu's way of officially burying the franchise without being downright honest about it.

Also, the day the new series ends up as badly as this one did, I hope I'm still there to tell you "I told you so."
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