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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 4 Rating
Perfect 10 11 16.42%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 19 28.36%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 24 35.82%
7 out of 10 : Good 9 13.43%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 4.48%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.49%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2012-11-01, 18:10   Link #21
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Too bad SB didn't defend herself better. "The Man doesn't like what I say, so he's starting spying on us. The fuzz may be hiding among us right now!".

Not that it'd have changed anything.
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Old 2012-11-01, 18:10   Link #22
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I guess the issue I'm having with the show is that it has been fairly low key so far and nothing has really kicked off or gone into high gear.
Patience. This is very typical of the Urobutcher's storytelling style. First, introduce the characters and distinguish them. Then, start to explain the world you're in. Toss some questions and issues to the characters which are ambiguous, to make them think and ponder about it, while fleshing out the characters more, so that the viewer begins to build emotional connections to them. And then start to toss them in the blender, piece by piece.

That however should probably happen no sooner than around episodes 6-7, based on his former works. In the meantime, we'll get more exposition on the world the characters are in, and more background storytelling on Akane's team.

But okay, if we want to play Cluedo: My bet is on Masaoka, sometimes around the end of ep7. In a way that throws Akane a real curveball.
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Old 2012-11-01, 19:29   Link #23
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Well, Spookey Boogie's death was flagged from quite far away....

And the raid was hilarious.

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Old 2012-11-01, 20:13   Link #24
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i wonder if it's a jab at the people on ?chan
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Old 2012-11-01, 21:17   Link #25
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And the raid was hilarious.

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I wonder if that means you could have a high CC and yet not be labelled a latent criminal. Can anyone recall off-hand Masaoka's CC from Ep1? I vaguely remember Akane's dominator reading out Masaoka's CC before authorising her to paralyse him if she wished.
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Old 2012-11-01, 21:22   Link #26
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I wonder if that means you could have a high CC and yet not be labelled a latent criminal. Can anyone recall off-hand Masaoka's CC from Ep1? I vaguely remember Akane's dominator reading out Masaoka's CC before authorising her to paralyse him if she wished.
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Old 2012-11-01, 21:51   Link #27
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Lol. So, either Akane has been hanging out online with a bunch of latent criminals (oooh, what a naughty girl she's been; she's well on the road to perdition), or there must be other conditions, including a high CC, that would get you flagged as one.

Or, far more possibly, the writer himself is not being very consistent with his terminology.

Moving along, I liked how this episode showed that Enforcers aren't treated all that miserably while off-duty, despite the stigma of being labelled latent criminals. By all appearances, Masaoka, at the very least, seemed like an all-round cool dude and a competent painter to boot. Doesn't seem like a system that goes all out to drive him into the ground. If anything, it's only Ginoza who seems to treat his Enforcers, Masaoka especially, as filth. And there's probably a very good reason for that. I'm probably not the first to guess that Masaoka was very likely Ginoza's mentor, until he went over the edge. In Masaoka's own words, quoting Nietzsche, he had "stared too long into the abyss", leading to an outcome that Ginoza has yet been able to come to terms with.
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Old 2012-11-01, 21:57   Link #28
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Lol. So, either Akane has been hanging out online with a bunch of latent criminals (oooh, what a naughty girl she's been; she's well on the road to perdition), or there must be other conditions, including a high CC, that would get you flagged as one.

Or, far more possibly, the writer himself is not being very consistent with his terminology.
Well remember a lot of these people most have lives outside the net and really don't want to be seen for various reasons which is obviously why they meet in costume. So to have the cops suddenly drop in caused an even bigger panic after the sudden avatar hack is it any wonder why all their CC's jumped so high.

Remember folks online anonymity is our security blanket in life as well.
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Old 2012-11-01, 22:04   Link #29
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Well remember a lot of these people most have lives outside the net and really don't want to be seen for various reasons which is obviously why they meet in costume. So to have the cops suddenly drop in caused an even bigger panic after the sudden avatar hack is it any wonder why all their CC's jumped so high.
That's the other confusion we are yet to clear up: Is it the CC that fluctuates wildly, or the Hue reading that does so? Ep3 seemed to suggest that it's an individual's Hue that fluctuates in response to environmental stimuli, and not his CC, which is implied to be more stable, in the sense that the CC is a more reliable measure of long-term psychological damage, while Hue readings are more like measurements of short-term stress.
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Old 2012-11-01, 22:10   Link #30
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That's the other confusion we are yet to clear up: Is it the CC that fluctuates wildly, or the Hue reading that does so? Ep3 seemed to suggest that it's an individual's Hue that fluctuates in response to environmental stimuli, and not his CC, which is implied to be more stable, in the sense that the CC is a more reliable measure of long-term psychological damage, while Hue readings are more like measurements of short-term stress.
So this basically means that some individuals who take part in anonymous online communities may be flagged as latent criminals if scanned on the streets?

Now I don't know if all can be considered latent criminals but hey I've met my fair share of weirdos online.

What I think is that many of the people there at the club had a few anarchist views and opinions so whose to say they don't have the mindset to be latent criminals.
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Old 2012-11-01, 23:53   Link #31
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That's the other confusion we are yet to clear up: Is it the CC that fluctuates wildly, or the Hue reading that does so? Ep3 seemed to suggest that it's an individual's Hue that fluctuates in response to environmental stimuli, and not his CC, which is implied to be more stable, in the sense that the CC is a more reliable measure of long-term psychological damage, while Hue readings are more like measurements of short-term stress.
Actually, based on what we've seen in these 4 episodes, I think that both can fluctuate wildly. However, I also think that for somebody to be labeled a latent criminal they need to keep a base-level CC of a certain value.
From what I gathered, the Hue is a representation of one's personality :



the color itself doesn't matter (I'm guessing it just represents somebody's inclinations or ideals), however how clear or dark it is does. I think it's pretty obvious the more you get near pure white or pure black the more "good" or "evil" (or maybe "sane" or "insane") you are at the moment. However, I think this alone isn't enough to entail extreme measures such as lethal force.
This is where the CC comes into play. The CC is a measure of somebody's likeness to commit a crime, and I think it could be pretty much compared to the "Law Vs Chaos" axys in D&D (while Hue would be the "Good vs Evil" one): if the system indeed works this way, latent criminals should be people with high base-level CCs and normal Hues, while people bound for treatment should be ones with a dark Hue and low-mid CC. The really dangerous types would of course be the ones who BOTH have a dark Hue and a high CC (Chaotic Evil), while I guess Inspectors have both a clear Hue and a low CC (Lawful Good).
Despite being managed by a computer(Sibyl), this whole system is obviously not deterministic, as we've seen with the girl who reached a dark hue + high cc in a matter of minutes in episode one. That's why the ultimate decisions are entrusted to Inspectors and other Lawful Good people.
The main contradictions, which will probably be discussed in later episodes, come to mind when questioning the criteria the system uses to determine peoples alignment. Also who devised this system and what were their moral standards? Of course this is a dystopia so these kind of stuff is to be expected, and I'm pretty sure (since it's Urobuchi) sooner or later Psycho-Pass will tackle these themes. The show has been great so far, and the main plot is just starting with episode 4. Can't wait to see more!

Edit: wait maybe I should just post this on the general discussion about the Sibyl System, lol
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Old 2012-11-02, 00:45   Link #32
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Oh look, it's Vicious Shougo, the man whom Spike Shinya wants to find so badly.
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Old 2012-11-02, 02:13   Link #33
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Lol. So, either Akane has been hanging out online with a bunch of latent criminals (oooh, what a naughty girl she's been; she's well on the road to perdition), or there must be other conditions, including a high CC, that would get you flagged as one.

Or, far more possibly, the writer himself is not being very consistent with his terminology.
Or perhaps their CC wasn't this high at their previous scan which may have been years ago for all we know. It would not surprise me if their CC on that night was about 10 higher than usual, however, and jumped up another 10 when the police appeared.

A lot of these people may be guys who normally don't get out much. That easily explains a rise in crime coefficient.
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Old 2012-11-02, 06:17   Link #34
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not a great idea to use an Avatar that keeps getting HANGED all the time, quite a death flag there

wow they really are short on manpower, (and not enough bots?) when they cant even control one club-full of people like that. And what the heck, their department's support tech people are also sleeping on the job. If they can be so easily stumped like that. no fail-safe cut off power to hologram machines?, no FW/defence for outside hacking/interference? no back-up/contingecy plans? not even a good monitor of the inside? Are their techs strangely incompetent, or thoroughly lacking, or is it due to budget constraints?
well it might just be a plot hole.
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Old 2012-11-02, 06:41   Link #35
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I can't help but laugh at that massive headgear at the beginning. Maybe the technology is not as great as we assumed.
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Old 2012-11-02, 07:33   Link #36
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not a great idea to use an Avatar that keeps getting HANGED all the time, quite a death flag there

wow they really are short on manpower, (and not enough bots?) when they cant even control one club-full of people like that. And what the heck, their department's support tech people are also sleeping on the job. If they can be so easily stumped like that. no fail-safe cut off power to hologram machines?
Except they don't know what "Talisman" looks like IRL.

Mostly, I think they've forgotten how to do crowd control because there aren't any riots any more.
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Old 2012-11-02, 08:59   Link #37
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^ i didn't say they have to use it immediately, it should be more like once Talisman ( the avatar ) shows up then they should immediately cut off all the power for holographics, (and start recording with all the cameras and monitors inside the establishment, rather the cameras should have been recording from the get-go) so they can immediately identify the person. That's pretty simple isn't it?

but no! they go in with barely any semblance of control of the situation and the environment. Do they even have a plan?. Hardly confidence boosting considering they are suppose to be an elite force/team.

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That made me thinking though, since their team showed some kind of incompetence here. I mean some real life police force would have done a lot better than them in that situation.
>> Could it be that criminality has been lessened so much that police/crime fighting procedures have declined?
is it also be the reason why not many people want to enter the crime fighting force, hence the lack of manpower?
Ginoza doesn't seem to be much of a Detective for that matter, he's more like a 'yes' man. The enforcers and Akane were more proactive than him during operations. Does he represent the average "police"/ detective in their world, leaving most of the decisions to Protocols and SIBYL?

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Old 2012-11-02, 09:55   Link #38
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It's it pretty obvious garbage?

Since things have become as easy as watching a monitor, getting a reading, and picking up a target what need is their for actual detective work anymore?

Also they may have not thought the arrest would turn out as bad as it did but it's obvious that they're not dealing with any ordinary latent criminals. These guys are so organized it's scary.

- They had a guy in the inside to detect the active Dominator

- An escape plan in place before hand

- They even manage to track down Spooky Boogie and "replace her" for whatever their plans are.

I post my theory in the speculations thread already these guys seem to be planing to overthrow the Sibyl System though I'm mostly basing this on Shougo reading copy of 1984...
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Old 2012-11-02, 11:01   Link #39
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well actually no,it's not obvious.sure you can derive that possibility form what we have seen these 4 episode. and it's logical, in fact we do agree( been thinking that since ep1). Sorry i rarely visit speculation threads, no time and so many posers, so haven't really seen your theory.

But really so far we have only seen ONE TEAM, handling 3 , 4 cases . That is hardly a statistical representative of the whole police force. Add to the fact, that there is still so few info about the other side of their society ( non police/ crime life). So I rather reserve judgement and just think it a possibility (Though I mostly agree with your assessment ^^)

about the Other group ( criminal group?, psycho group, what do we call them? :P), I don't know, True they are not your average Latent-criminal in their world, but I wouldn't paint them as "Masterminds" just yet IMO, aside from the replacement of Talisman all their actions/responses especially in the club are pretty much basic for any anti-establishment group hoping to survive in the least, much less be effective in toppling the order. The arrest for me failed more due to the incompetence of the police force rather than the brilliance of that group. Of course that can change in coming episodes. there are enough episodes for them to show if they really are a brilliant criminal/revolutionary/psycho group.
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Old 2012-11-02, 12:20   Link #40
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True they are not your average Latent-criminal in their world, but I wouldn't paint them as "Masterminds" just yet IMO
I'll label them as mastermind just based on the fact that we saw their leader in episode 1 so he's got main antagonist status (at least for the 1st cour) and the show's main antagonist better be a mastermind or else I'll be disapointed.

I also think you're underrating how well the anti establishment group is equipped,i'm pretty darn sure dominator detectors aren't easily found,the fact that law enforcement didn't even consider that such detectors can exist makes me think this might be the first group that has one,the plan was just to go up and shoot the guy,would have worked if the dominator had not been detected.
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