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Old 2012-11-06, 08:55   Link #421
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Old 2012-11-06, 20:48   Link #422
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Except that isn't the Takemi a really complicated pain in the ass o build, resulting in only 30 airframes a year?

Unless Japanese production can ramp up.
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Old 2012-11-06, 20:54   Link #423
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Except that isn't the Takemi a really complicated pain in the ass o build, resulting in only 30 airframes a year?

Unless Japanese production can ramp up.
Oh you bet they did...

The Floor Is Covered With Takemes

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Old 2012-11-06, 21:29   Link #424
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Oh you bet they did...

The Floor Is Covered With Takemes

So much 00Cs. Maybe they can be sold to other countries, but I bet the maintenance to keep them running will cost a fortune. 00R will definitely remain as exclusive considering how special those units are.

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Old 2012-11-06, 21:47   Link #425
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So much win.
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Old 2012-11-07, 01:11   Link #426
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Oh you bet they did...

The Floor Is Covered With Takemes

With that much Takemes,you can rule the Earth and another with relatively ease...if you can maintain them
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Old 2012-11-07, 01:17   Link #427
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@ Silv they did testing for an export version as per the TSFiA, so ya, probably sold them overseas.

They also did probably outsourced the parts for the Type 00C variants at least to other countries, and produce parts for the 00F variant themselves to swap, in order for mass production, like what IRL US did for their Tanks and Guns parts, made in China. The Type-00R would still be fully domestic.


In IRL news, the man who killed F-22 mass purchase project, Obama won the elections. Banzai!
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Old 2012-11-07, 03:58   Link #428
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Btw, talking about the F-22, link leads to a forum post quoting an article on the F-22 acquisition. Interesting reading.
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Old 2012-11-07, 04:52   Link #429
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So glad he can't affect my beloved TSF....
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Old 2012-11-07, 11:19   Link #430
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Here comes AMT with you dose of "Don't get your hopes too up":

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Keeping it grimdark people. No need to thank me.
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Old 2012-11-07, 11:37   Link #431
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Assuming that America behaves more like it did IRL, I'd expect them to be the only people not making export versions of their TSFs that are weaker. (Typhoon is not yet being exported anywhere atm.)

Throughout the Cold War, where America was exporting freedom all over the place (especially with the teen fighters in the 80s), export fighters were, as best as I can see, not that much markedly different from home use fighters. Contrast the monkey models the Soviets sold.

Also, while the Imperial Royal Guard undoubtedly have some fine and decent people, they can, as a general rule, go eat shit.

Also,isn't it sad, IJN? You're the only navy in the world that's still using the Gekishit.
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Old 2012-11-07, 11:42   Link #432
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Since Japanese Empire is very much alive here (and history shows how much they trust their "allies" if rampant exploitation of Indonesia and making a unique rifle caliber just for their native force), I'd imagine Japan does the good 'ol monkey export.

America reminds me a bit of Handsome Jack from Borderlands 2 - they're complete jerks and wanna be heroes, but they're hilarious.

And let's be honest, if you were in their shoes, you would be doing exactly same thing.
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Old 2012-11-07, 12:12   Link #433
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I'd probably try not to be too much of a douche. And no selling of monkey models.

On the other hand, havta admit that CIA's manipulation of domestic elements was win win; if they don't take the bait, nothing lost; if they do, great, they're all in one place where we can take them out and show up the Japs.
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Old 2012-11-07, 12:18   Link #434
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The scary part was that Soviets did something similar in their territories (irl) and it worked brilliantly. Create your own opposition so that you can destroy it at any time.
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Old 2012-11-07, 13:39   Link #435
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I thought that was
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Also, I wonder where LTC Iwaya stands. All the times I've seen him, he's wearing IJA service greens, not the IG uniform. But then he was the chief test pilot for the Zuikaku and used it to school two F-15Cs... Oh, right, designer's brother-in-law. Still, if he's IJA, that explains why he isn't being YAMATO DAMASHII around Yui, lol.
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Old 2012-11-10, 04:40   Link #436
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As Goose said, US Army doctrine is Fast In Faster Out, to prevent losses, quick strike attacks at maximum stand off ranges. Of course, this doesn't help with holding ground or taking it, as BETAs just ignore losses and push forward (No need to mention Hive combat). So basically US doctrine is best used to provide support for other forces that are holding the line on the ground. If they ever have to stand their ground in close combat with BETA they would be fked.
I just realised - this mirrors USAF doctrine of the late 90s/early 00s, where it was believed that airpower was everything and you didn't need ground forces.

Huh. The more you know.
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Old 2012-11-13, 17:46   Link #437
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Its not that everyone else is only CQC, everyone has more or less the same ranged weapons as the US, and CQC options on top. Its the US that declined the CQC options, using only combat knives in melee, and they train that only ever in TSF vs TSF combat.

As Goose said, US Army doctrine is Fast In Faster Out, to prevent losses, quick strike attacks at maximum stand off ranges. Of course, this doesn't help with holding ground or taking it, as BETAs just ignore losses and push forward (No need to mention Hive combat). So basically US doctrine is best used to provide support for other forces that are holding the line on the ground. If they ever have to stand their ground in close combat with BETA they would be fked.

That being said, no TSF forces would fight alone without supporting forces from Artillery and Obital Resupply, so if Laser Class are present, a bombardment of heavy metal shells first to diffuse the lasers can be expected. Then it would rely on the TSFs ability to dodge laser fire with random movements while moving in, which most Gen 3 and 2.5 TSFs can do.

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I believe your spoiler is incorrect.

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Old 2012-11-13, 22:35   Link #438
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I believe your spoiler is incorrect.

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Do refer to TSFiA #14. There is no english translation at the moment, but here is the chinese one. http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_6150892401015g5c.html

Read the article on the Take as well http://muvluv.wikia.com/wiki/Type-00_Takemikazuchi

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Old 2012-11-15, 02:01   Link #439
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I don't understand Chinese, so I'll leave it at that

The TDA sidestory is too much of a gag for me to consider it to be canon.
Might as well consider Ayu's Super Robot TSF as canon if that is canon.

and by the top brass being disgruntled, as I paraphrase:

Even though they are UN pilots, the reformed Valkyries are still Japanese. So they have a sense of nationalism in them and they would like to stick up for their country is possible. This is not conjecture, it's explicitly said this way in the TSFia

So they are in fact, mildly ashamed to report to their supervisor that the Type 04 handles so well in the test. That's essentially saying that the best thing for the boots on the ground is something that is foreign made. Again, this is not conjecture, it's explicitly said this way in the TSFia

But if all the test pilots say the same thing, even the top brass will have to accept that the Type 04 is going to be the bread and butter TSF of the the next generations

Everythign I wrote is not conjecture, it's explicitly said this way in the TSFia

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Old 2012-11-15, 03:36   Link #440
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Um, just a note, that's Munakata's comments on the F-15SEJ Gekkou, the IJA trial variant of the F-15SE Silent Eagle (which is essentially the same thing). Suzumiya Akane and her squadron are trialling the Type-04, aka Shiranui Niigata, aka Yuuya Bridges' One True Waifu.
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