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Old 2012-11-06, 12:53   Link #41
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British Empire wanting the colonies back?

But does the Brits really want another Tea Party of any kind?
You know the Brits can't resist them teas
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Old 2012-11-07, 00:26   Link #42
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I think the good old Brits would make a decent villain. They've got a definite style, like the Nazis or Soviets, that could be capitalized on, and they were a superpower once, unlike pathetic North Korea. They could be badass, especially if a touch of steampunk is involved.
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Old 2012-11-07, 00:28   Link #43
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Plus the British and Americans, mostly, speak the same language.
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Old 2012-11-07, 00:35   Link #44
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Plus the British and Americans, mostly, speak the same language.
yeah, then when the bad guys are speaking in a strange accent we, the audience, don't have to wonder why they all know English!

I can already think of a scenario: It is the year 1933. The Great Depression has hit Great Britain hard. An extremist party, revolving around reverence toward the crown, takes Parliament and and conducts a mass purge of leftist, "undesirable" elements, such as Catholics, Jews, socialists, and "wogs". All of Britain's troubles are gradually heaped upon the French, who had been the Empire's rival for centuries. 1939. The Britisch Imperium launches a surprise seaborne invasion of France and takes Paris in a matter of two weeks, humbling the once-powerful nation and ending the Republic. Democratic, Weimar Germany is invaded up to the Rhine, where only Soviet supplies help stabilize the front. But our attention now turns to the Western Hemisphere.

The American people and government are slow to accept the British Imperium for what it really is. A military modernization effort has been underway to defend against possible incursions by Anglo-Canadian troops, but budget cuts and the effects of the Great Depression curtail its efficacy. From the Briton angle, however, the very existence of the USA has been a continuous insult to his Majesty's glory. In secret, and drawing upon captured French stocks and transports, the Brits move large numbers of men and machines to North America.

On July 4th, 1941, as fireworks fly, a different kind of spectacle breaks out from the north. The Imperium's war machine, spearheaded by tanks and bomber aeroplanes using the latest "thunder" strategies, strikes fast and deep into the American heartland. New York falls, and Chicago is under siege. An enemy army stands mere miles outside Washington DC. Garrisons in the Pacific Northwest have been encircled and destroyed, and California is in danger. But the American people fight on. The President has announced that not one more state shall fall. The "American Patriotic War" has begun.


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Old 2012-11-07, 08:17   Link #45
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And then Mexico joined the fight...

Retake the Northwest Territories!
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Old 2012-11-07, 10:03   Link #46
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@LeoXiao -- That actually seems pretty entertaining.. It reminds me a bit of what people were ruminating would have happened if after Washington lost The Battle of Brooklyn Heights.. he actually surrendered like he was "supposed to" or the British simply pursued.. Reminds me of (partially) the setting for the background for Code Geass..

So does anybody know if all the "Koreans" in (New) Red Dawn speak english?

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Old 2012-11-07, 11:00   Link #47
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So does anybody know if all the "Koreans" in (New) Red Dawn speak english?
I'm sure they do. People would be pissed off seeing a movie where half the cast is in pure subtitles. Remember, this is a boomstick movie, not a glass of brandy movie.
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Old 2012-11-07, 11:05   Link #48
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So does anybody know if all the "Koreans" in (New) Red Dawn speak english?
Sadly, I expect they will never be translated, effectively making them more "alien" to the audience essentially justifying their killing simply because they are an extreme "other".

Just remember, if you can't understand what they/it is saying, then it is always okay to shoot first and ask questions later...
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Old 2012-11-08, 11:28   Link #49
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Not surprising,

Asians are already up against Red Dawn

http://www.racebending.com/v4/featur...w-reflections/
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Old 2012-11-08, 12:51   Link #50
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Not surprising,

Asians are already up against Red Dawn

http://www.racebending.com/v4/featur...w-reflections/
so much whining in that article
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Old 2012-11-08, 12:52   Link #51
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so much whining in that article
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Old 2012-11-08, 13:19   Link #52
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Pfft, if they'd casted asian actors in Avatar, people would be complaining next that asians actors only gets to lead in movies that are terrible

Fact of the matter is, entertainment produced for the consumption of a specific region is going to cater towards the dominant culture in that region, I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. People in those websites complain about the lack of asian characters or actors in the "good guys" role, yet how many times are westerners play the main or even good guys in Asian films? or are they usually cast as the token bad guy? hell, you see it in animes all the time too, just about every time the US (or really any westerners, except for Germans it seems ) is in a show, they're typically portrait as brutes/incompetent/evil etc etc.

Where's the outcry from those people complaining about racial inequality in films again?

It's one thing to complain about blatantly racist portrayals in a film, advocating some sort of affirmative action for movies just because a minority group doesn't have parity of good/leading roles in film? not so much.

and I'm Asian
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Old 2012-11-08, 15:39   Link #53
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Put me down in the "Will never intentionally watch this movie" column.

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Old 2012-11-08, 16:22   Link #54
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Pfft, if they'd casted asian actors in Avatar, people would be complaining next that asians actors only gets to lead in movies that are terrible

Fact of the matter is, entertainment produced for the consumption of a specific region is going to cater towards the dominant culture in that region, I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. People in those websites complain about the lack of asian characters or actors in the "good guys" role, yet how many times are westerners play the main or even good guys in Asian films? or are they usually cast as the token bad guy? hell, you see it in animes all the time too, just about every time the US (or really any westerners, except for Germans it seems ) is in a show, they're typically portrait as brutes/incompetent/evil etc etc.

Where's the outcry from those people complaining about racial inequality in films again?

It's one thing to complain about blatantly racist portrayals in a film, advocating some sort of affirmative action for movies just because a minority group doesn't have parity of good/leading roles in film? not so much.

and I'm Asian
For me that seems like a rather poor argument. Asian media's poor portrayal of westerners does not really justify a negative portrayal of Asian in the west. Rather you could make case that Hollywood should be more responsible as it is more global, though I suppose that is changing. To be honest both side should be condemned for overly making stereo types.

And I could sort of understand the complaint. Asian character generally are type cast way too much. These days or rather aways I feel like Hollywood portraying Asians in too much of negative light.
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Old 2012-11-08, 22:00   Link #55
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For me that seems like a rather poor argument. Asian media's poor portrayal of westerners does not really justify a negative portrayal of Asian in the west. Rather you could make case that Hollywood should be more responsible as it is more global, though I suppose that is changing. To be honest both side should be condemned for overly making stereo types.

And I could sort of understand the complaint. Asian character generally are type cast way too much. These days or rather aways I feel like Hollywood portraying Asians in too much of negative light.
Well, If I recall correctly, Bruce Lee was too asian to be part of "Kung Fu, the legend continues", a series he wrote.

But anyway...
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Old 2012-11-08, 22:33   Link #56
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For me that seems like a rather poor argument. Asian media's poor portrayal of westerners does not really justify a negative portrayal of Asian in the west. Rather you could make case that Hollywood should be more responsible as it is more global, though I suppose that is changing. To be honest both side should be condemned for overly making stereo types.

And I could sort of understand the complaint. Asian character generally are type cast way too much. These days or rather aways I feel like Hollywood portraying Asians in too much of negative light.
It's not an argument for justifying anything, it's just to show the hypocritical nature of those particular sites/people.

Entertainment trend follows cultural trend. It's ultimately a business, they're not going to shoot themselves in the foot so a few people can feel better about themselves. Asian actors will become more mainstream in Hollywood once there are more Asian presence/influence in mainstream American culture, ie. once it's profitable to do so. This isn't just for Hollywood either, this goes for just about every single entertainment industry in the world.
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Old 2012-11-08, 23:23   Link #57
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It's not an argument for justifying anything, it's just to show the hypocritical nature of those particular sites/people.

Entertainment trend follows cultural trend. It's ultimately a business, they're not going to shoot themselves in the foot so a few people can feel better about themselves. Asian actors will become more mainstream in Hollywood once there are more Asian presence/influence in mainstream American culture, ie. once it's profitable to do so. This isn't just for Hollywood either, this goes for just about every single entertainment industry in the world.
Fair enough, but "ideally" I would like to see more Asians in positive role.
Also, would you not argue that entertainment could create its own cultural trend? No need to go along with what current society dictates everytime.
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Old 2012-11-08, 23:33   Link #58
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Fair enough, but "ideally" I would like to see more Asians in positive role.
Also, would you not argue that entertainment could create its own cultural trend? No need to go along with what current society dictates everytime.
Of course, but the majority of those tends to be of the more superficial sort - ie. fashion, pop music etc., and nothing really as far as serious social issues.

For example, I would say the most successful example of "entertainment" that had "created" a cultural trend in recent years would be the likes of Fox News etc., but even then they're merely feeding and reinforcing an already existing narrative, instead of creating the wave themselves.

Like I said, it ultimately boils down to money, the movie industry is what is is because it's most profitable to be that way, if it suddenly became profitable to push Asian actors in movies, you can bet it'll happen faster than you can blink.
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Old 2012-11-08, 23:41   Link #59
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Never thought I do see this film being remade

Russia....I mean China....I mean North Korea invade suburban America. Red army march through Colorado vs plucky teenagers with guns.

Any red blooded Americans going to see this? Free Jingoism for everybody!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234719/

North Korea???

Pardon me, but...WTF?
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Old 2012-11-08, 23:43   Link #60
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North Korea???

Pardon me, but...WTF?
It's Hollywood, don't think too much about it XD
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