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Old 2012-11-09, 21:02   Link #3021
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It would solve a great many things, and cause more problems as well. But I see your point too!
in the old days the candidate who came in 2nd becomes vp
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:14   Link #3022
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interna...election,_2012

Check this out. The Free Syrian Army was expecting a Romney win so's they can get the weapons they need.
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:25   Link #3023
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I wish that Obama and Romney could both be president because they're both hot. I understand Obama Girl's infatuation with our president because he's quite the hottie, but I wouldn't mind wearing some Mittens either.
Romney is a good looking man, and at least one of his sons is even better looking (and two of his daughter-in-laws are smoking). Obama is also well off (), and Malia Obama will grow into quite a beauty in a few more years (I wish I had her height when I was her age, i had to wait another three years for that kind of height and stature...).

Silly discussions are fun .
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:33   Link #3024
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I wish that Obama and Romney could both be president because they're both hot. I understand Obama Girl's infatuation with our president because he's quite the hottie, but I wouldn't mind wearing some Mittens either.
Definitely good genes, can't argue that. Both families are very photogenic.
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:37   Link #3025
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineo...-of-the-night/

If this is how he treats people who works for him...
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:42   Link #3026
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weeee now we're back to "The Shit on Mitt Romney Hour"

I'll be glad when you guys move on to something else
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:43   Link #3027
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/helaineo...-of-the-night/

If this is how he treats people who works for him...
Probably the habit of his time at Bain Capital.

@Dr. Casey, we would have anything to say about your champion if he didn't give so much materials and reasons to get bashed.
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:51   Link #3028
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weeee now we're back to "The Shit on Mitt Romney Hour"

I'll be glad when you guys move on to something else
Is there any particular reason why you believe Romney should be immune from criticism?

I mean, I am quite prepared to say that Obama did far from a good job and had he ran against a decent GOP candidate, he would have lost.

Lucky for Obama, Romney was not a decent candidate.

I am pretty sure even Fox News has turned on Romney now. So he really ran out of friends. That's just what happens.
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:51   Link #3029
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@Dr. Casey, we would have anything to say about your champion if he didn't give so much materials and reasons to get bashed.
It just seems petty to me to drag up every single misplaced word and inappropriate facial tic days after the election is finished, when he's out of the public eye and no longer relevant to this thread. This isn't mature political discussion, the Romney hatefest borders on just mindless scorn. And there's really no need for everyone to get their panties in a wad every time someone tries to give a differing opinion in this echo chamber.

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Is there any particular reason why you believe Romney should be immune from criticism?
strawman alert, strawman alert
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Old 2012-11-09, 21:58   Link #3030
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^Every single aspect of Romneys 7 year campaign will be analyzed and picked apart by all involved and all who wish to learn from his and his campaigns mistakes. It's not hate nor scorn, rather it is trying to create an objective answer for the very subjective reasons he failed, and part of the reason he failed was his character on and off the screen. (That is not to say that there are not those who relish Romney's pain and suffering, but they are such a small percent (and very seldom are shown on this forum) that your characterization of Romney as this extreme victim seems a little silly.)
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:03   Link #3031
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^Every single aspect of Romneys 7 year campaign will be analyzed and picked apart by all involved and all who wish to learn from his and his campaigns mistakes. It's not hate nor scorn
That sounds nice, and your criticism of Romney has always been fair and constructive, but... well, I think you're giving this crowd way too much credit if you can read over a thread where bashing of Romney outnumbers bashing of Obama by a ratio of 1000:1. I don't know what thread you're reading that's full of mature, levelheaded people fairly distributing blame where it's deserved and credit where it's likewise deserved rather than just a nesting ground for hateful little vultures to gleefully rip to shreds the subject of their dislike, but I'm sure not reading the same one.
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:06   Link #3032
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I think you've been reading the thread through your own biases. We're a very level headed community, if you think we're not I suggest you visit any news site.
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:09   Link #3033
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It just seems petty to me to drag up every single misplaced word and inappropriate facial tic days after the election is finished, when he's out of the public eye and no longer relevant to this thread. This isn't mature political discussion, the Romney hatefest borders on just mindless scorn. And there's really no need for everyone to get their panties in a wad every time someone tries to give a differing opinion in this echo chamber.
Look, if you can get credible material than would make you feel better, than would paint Romney on a positive light, go ahead post it here. Nobody is all bad or all good so you might find some.

Romney is probably a better individual than his party but the qualificatif '' machiavelic'' would most likely fit him. Not on the worst way than peoples see the term but simply as basing his actions not on morale.
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:16   Link #3034
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Well. In general when we talk politics, it goes beyond the figurehead they send to run for president. The leader's going to represent the party's standpoint whether or not he is a good person or not. It's how it goes.

We're talking about a party that's launched us into 2 separate wars and has begun curtailing civil and privacy rights. Ie. The Patriot Act. We're talking about a party that's started another costly and ineffective drug war that leads to us being one of the largest prison populations in the world. And for what? Millions down the drain? A government that prioritizes throwing people in prisons instead of educating them. "Oh, let's not bother educating them. They're a lost cause so throw them in jail where they should be in the first place"

Doesn't that entail massive spending? What happened to getting government out of our lives? Spend less, less complexity. An overly complex bureaucracy IS oppressive in itself because the red tape detaches people from the government, and depriving those who would want to take action. So yes, I say "fuck you" to those liberals who want to outlaw large containers of soda too. Get the fuck out my life. I don't care about your misbegotten notions of equality or making the world a better place. I will recycle, because I feel like it. Not because you waste our time on money creating more laws to make people's lives worse. And what if a child picks up a violent video game? Let's leave it up to the parents to raise their own fucking children?

Does anyone provide this? Which one of the big guns is conservative? I don't see any. Well maybe Ron Paul, but he has his own set of problems.

So the main thing comes to this: What do the Republicans and Romney provide to the country? Besides the fact they're not Obama?

In the end, not all Republicans are bad. Just the ones that they're putting in the front. Pull them away, for fuck's sake.
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:20   Link #3035
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@Dr. Casey I am late to this thread but I am far from an Obama lover, I am glad the republicans didn't win the presidency but that does not make Obama nor the democrats the "the good guys", I hope that people (I mean real people, not the tea party nor the occupy whatever guys) remind Obama and the democrats what he should do, no republican blockage can endure if the "we the people" (as it says in your constitution, not trying to imply I have double nationality) call for real change now.
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:23   Link #3036
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I think you've been reading the thread through your own biases. We're a very level headed community, if you think we're not I suggest you visit any news site.
You guys are pretty levelheaded, yeah, but being calm and even-tempered isn't synonymous with being completely fair.

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Look, if you can get credible material than would make you feel better, than would paint Romney on a positive light, go ahead post it here. Nobody is all bad or all good so you might find some.
Haha, the 'might' kinda shows how little you guys think of him. There's no 'might' to it; I could easily think of some good points regarding Hitler off the top of my head, and I don't think Romney's quite at his level.

Anyway, never mind me. Anyone who thinks this thread isn't slanted significantly in one direction is just kidding themselves, but you guys have the right to say whatever you want to, I shouldn't gripe.
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:34   Link #3037
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You guys are pretty levelheaded, yeah, but being calm and even-tempered isn't synonymous with being completely fair.
Not sure what you mean by fair here, equal number of posts that bash romney/obama?

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Anyway, never mind me. Anyone who thinks this thread isn't slanted significantly in one direction is just kidding themselves, but you guys have the right to say whatever you want to, I shouldn't gripe.
It's simply a matter of demographic, there just happens to be more left-leaning and moderates who soured on the GOP on this board/participating in this thread is all. For example, you wouldn't expect to find all that many pro-obama posts in, say, fox news's comment sections.

The key point here is that for the most part the debates here are civil and level-headed, with people articulating the reasons for their opinions, instead of other places where it's just mindless bashing on both sides backed up by nothing other than "lolol u suck lololol!!!11!"

Sometimes I get the feeling you're just taking this too personally, relax
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:35   Link #3038
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Haha, the 'might' kinda shows how little you guys think of him. There's no 'might' to it; I could easily think of some good points regarding Hitler off the top of my head, and I don't think Romney's quite at his level.
I used ''might'' not because of my opinion of Romney but because of the 3 main source of news than I use on internet (Associated Press, Reuters and Cyberpresse ( the last one in french but I get there often link to other site), 3 rather credible source ) I barely get any good point for Romney. A wider research than the one I do is more likely to find some but is also much likely to go on place of little credibility or high ''partisanerie'' like FOX news.
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:36   Link #3039
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That sounds nice, and your criticism of Romney has always been fair and constructive, but... well, I think you're giving this crowd way too much credit if you can read over a thread where bashing of Romney outnumbers bashing of Obama by a ratio of 1000:1. I don't know what thread you're reading that's full of mature, levelheaded people fairly distributing blame where it's deserved and credit where it's likewise deserved rather than just a nesting ground for hateful little vultures to gleefully rip to shreds the subject of their dislike, but I'm sure not reading the same one.
The vast majority here are Obama supporters, I am not denying that (it would be foolish to do so). But, the vast majority here are not using whatever slur is used against Romney in uncivilized discussions (what are the slurs anyway? Obama had Kenyan, Socialist, Marxist, and a few others, but what does Romney have, rich man? ). They doubt his character and his sincerity, sure, but that is not the same as "hateful little vultures".
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Old 2012-11-09, 22:39   Link #3040
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Paul Krugman is an optimistic man. A very smart, very civic-minded man, and very bitter at times for the past few years, exhausted from fighting the good fight, but fundamentally optimistic.

I wouldn't put a bet on President Obama not compromising until we're all "off the fiscal cliff," then I'll believe him.

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Anyway, never mind me. Anyone who thinks this thread isn't slanted significantly in one direction is just kidding themselves, but you guys have the right to say whatever you want to, I shouldn't gripe.
Reality is significantly slanted in one direction.

Don't give me that two-sides-are-the-same BS now.

No really, remember the BBC poll on the rest of the world? Those people, they're far enough from the mess that they see exactly what's going on and scratch their heads and ask what the hell is up with the Americans and oh my god don't screw it up please we don't want another Bush.

Notably, many posters in this thread who object the strongest to Romney and the Republican Party belong in the rest-of-the-world demographic. Mentar, Vallen, etc.

On the other hand, you keep posting deleted inflammatory one-liners, if I didn't think you were genuinely frustrated I would have called you out as just a troll, like flying.
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