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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 05 Rating
Perfect 10 13 20.31%
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Old 2012-11-10, 02:45   Link #61
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I don't really understand why are you so considered about choices. We have seen three criminals, who had tried to kill "police officers". Two of them had already ripped more than one human apart and were eliminated. Inspectors can still decide if they get rid of criminals or speak to them to decrease their crime coefficient, like Akane did.
But there's no option to capture them first, talk them down after.

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There's this little thing called torture.
Which, as far as generating useful intelligence goes, has proven about as useful as the ouija board.

But they seem to know more about the mind and its link to the body than we do. Chemical interrogation might be an option. And even if that's not the case, maybe the perp would be more cooperative once the drugs'd worn off.
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Old 2012-11-10, 03:17   Link #62
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What a shocking revelation (to me, anyway)!
Considering the whole Ginoza vs Masaoka (flinging insults regarding latent criminals), minimal interactions between Ginoza & Kogami, and it turns out Kogami was his partner? God damn...*claps*

I'm starting to suspect the whole 'Masaoka is an old dog' is playing out to be the case where Masaoka was there prior to the existence of the Sibyl system, so it's possibly a case of the old way vs the new way.

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Seems like Kogami's personnel profile wasn't translated in the subs, here it is. I have no idea how Japanese addresses are ordered though, so I just ordered it from large->small.
Thanks for the translation, it's very interesting.
Kogami graduates High School at 16, 4 years of higher education, 6 months career training, joining MHWPSB at 20.
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Old 2012-11-10, 03:41   Link #63
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Which, as far as generating useful intelligence goes, has proven about as useful as the ouija board.

But they seem to know more about the mind and its link to the body than we do. Chemical interrogation might be an option. And even if that's not the case, maybe the perp would be more cooperative once the drugs'd worn off.
Hey, now there's an idea.
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Old 2012-11-10, 05:08   Link #64
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Did Akane receive the same career training or is this THE training that they are referring to? or did they change the system?
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Old 2012-11-10, 05:19   Link #65
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Did Akane receive the same career training or is this THE training that they are referring to? or did they change the system?
Well, Akane said at least in episode 1 that she hab been taught how to use the Dominator. But Gino in the same episode said that she had to begin with operational work because they were undermanned.
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Old 2012-11-10, 05:48   Link #66
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Seems like Kogami's personnel profile wasn't translated in the subs, here it is. I have no idea how Japanese addresses are ordered though, so I just ordered it from large->small.

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Thanks for the translation! I'd actually overlooked this. *__*

So Kougami became a latent criminal at 26, around two years before Akane showed up.
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Old 2012-11-10, 08:48   Link #67
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Very interesting episode. I am pretty surprised that the avatar killer case being solved quickly and the criminal killed. But I am definitely interested in Makishima and what his end game is. Apparently he is linked to Kougami's unsolved case and his fall into an enforcer. Looks like what appears to be flash forward in episode 1 might be said case after all

I am equally surprised to the revelation that Kougami was Ginoza's former partner. I thought it was Masaoka's role. Man, the old guy was damn awesome. Love that fire breathing trick

Overall, great episode. Looking forward to the next week!
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Old 2012-11-10, 08:56   Link #68
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Kougami graduated high school at 16, and he qualified to teach university social sciences at the university level after 4 years of school. By all regards, he looks like he's one of those highly qualified elites who made inspector and was going to have a great career ahead of them, just like Akane...And then in a week something happened to him that made him an incurable latent criminal.
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Old 2012-11-10, 09:01   Link #69
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Or they just teach faster in that universe. Maybe, with Sibyl's assistance, they taylor each kid's education so as to not waste time and resources teaching things they'll never get anyway, and focus on whatever they're good at.
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Old 2012-11-10, 09:51   Link #70
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Kougami graduated high school at 16, and he qualified to teach university social sciences at the university level after 4 years of school. By all regards, he looks like he's one of those highly qualified elites who made inspector and was going to have a great career ahead of them, just like Akane...And then in a week something happened to him that made him an incurable latent criminal.
It's must be that flashback that we've seen in episode 2, when Akane went to visit him and apologize for her deeds.
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Old 2012-11-10, 10:00   Link #71
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Or they just teach faster in that universe. Maybe, with Sibyl's assistance, they taylor each kid's education so as to not waste time and resources teaching things they'll never get anyway, and focus on whatever they're good at.
Yeah, that may be the case. However, both Akane's classmates were angry about their jobs and jealous to her. The system makes decisions on what people can do, not on what they want to do.
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Old 2012-11-10, 10:36   Link #72
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for Rousseau simplified : Masaoka is explaining that humans are social animals as in they gather together. That the development of technologies basically strengthens this social bonding ie. mail, telephone, media etc. it brings people together. At the end he questions "Does the internet do the same?" in contrast to other technologies it seems the internet instead of bringing people together tears them apart (a shout out to the hikikomori phenomenon), especially with the popular usage of AVATARS and "ANONYMOUS" tags which hides people true identity.that's why he said he cant relate/understand.
The reference to Jean-Jacques Rousseau and his Discourse on the Origin of Inequality is much more ironic than that.

I've never read Rousseau, and am aware of him only by reputation — he was opposed to Thomas Hobbes' cynical view of human nature. Hobbes famously wrote that "the life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short". He believed that if men were to be left to their own devices, they would eventually revert to their barbaric nature and fall into never-ending conflict with one another.

Hobbes subsequently believed that a strong, moral society is needed to control the base nature of humanity.

Rousseau believed the exact opposite — he insisted that human nature is intrinsically good and that it's civilisation which corrupts humanity. Rousseau proposed the idea of the "noble savage", that is, the ideal, self-sufficient man who lives on his own, and in harmony with Nature. The moment people start to form communities, inequality would arise, as stronger men would naturally seek to dominate those who are weaker than them.

So, the irony Masaoka implied in this episode is actually two-fold. He observed that virtual social networks, unlike other communication tools, were isolating people in real life rather than strengthening their social bonds. At the same time, he was wryly amused that this very isolation was in keeping with Rousseau's call to reject society and return to self-sufficient solitude.

Mido's last words appear to support my analysis:
"You guys (the avatars) are eternal. You have been released from the chains of a physical body and polished by collective intelligence... No one can look down on you. I won't let anyone destroy your nobility."
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Old 2012-11-10, 10:43   Link #73
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Yeah, that may be the case. However, both Akane's classmates were angry about their jobs and jealous to her. The system makes decisions on what people can do, not on what they want to do.
They didn't say they were angry about their jobs. They admitted they were happy where they were, but admitted they were somewhat envious of someone like Akane who literally was rated at specializing in multiple things. they hardly seemed vindictive towards her.
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Old 2012-11-10, 10:59   Link #74
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Kougami is really good, able to pinpoint the criminal in a logical way

the gun has a weakness, killing the criminal means they cannot catch him alive in order to get info about his gang or something, keeping them alive would be more useful...

i think they will slowly reveal Kougami's past, this show is getting very interesting
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Old 2012-11-10, 11:20   Link #75
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So, the irony Masaoka implied in this episode is actually two-fold. He observed that virtual social networks, unlike other communication tools, were isolating people in real life rather than strengthening their social bonds. At the same time, he was wryly amused that this very isolation was in keeping with Rousseau's call to reject society and return to self-sufficient solitude.

Mido's last words appear to support my analysis:
"You guys (the avatars) are eternal. You have been released from the chains of a physical body and polished by collective intelligence... No one can look down on you. I won't let anyone destroy your nobility."
I thought that was a reference to Plato though. You know, the ideal "idea" thing.
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Old 2012-11-10, 15:45   Link #76
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Only thing that bothers me is why they never bring down a criminal/ bring him in for interrogation.

It should be pretty clear/obvious that this guy wasn't working on his own, or they should, as inspectors, have that kind of hunch. If that is the case, instead of blowing him to pieces, detain him, figure out who was pulling the strings behind him, then annihilate if need be.

Shoot first ask questions later doesn't work when shoot once = blasted into infinityyyy.
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Old 2012-11-10, 15:50   Link #77
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One thing that made me wonder if there is an explication or it is simply a plothole was Mido's injury: he lost his arm, by having a lethal mode shot hitting him, but as far as the series has shown so far, the moment you are hit by this BFG, you are toast (the criminal in ep1 was doomed this way, being shot in the arms by Kougami.

Anyway, good exposure regarding the characters in this episode. I wasn't exactly that surprised Kou was also an inspector due to how he interacts with Gino, although it makes Masaoka's past a little harder to figure.

That being said, law enforcing methods used there look quite limited, considering how the "tools" used by enforcers and inspectors are completely under Sibyl judgement, to the point I don't see the point of executing criminals in such manner.
It isn't a problem regarding if death sentence should be allowed or not, but it makes things way too "narrow minded" and restrictive: let's say, should a drug dealer get a high CC, he would be executed, without the chances for the law enforcer members to interrgate them, which could lead to the tracks of the ringleaders and so forth.

I have to agree that "choice" is barely inexistent without any modding/emergency switch on the dominators, leaving the enforcers and inspectors in dire pinch should something wrong happen (already lampshaded in episode 1). It really shows how conceited the ones behind Sibyl system and the dominator structure are.

Quite curious if there will be an introduction of the good ol' fire arms later on. It might give a stark contrast.
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Old 2012-11-10, 17:04   Link #78
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^Look at it this way: The shot merely grazed him, and he STILL lost an arm. It's that powerful.

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Hey, it's not like I'm alone here. Anh_Minh and Kanon both expressed concern over the seeming lack of manual override for the Dominator and/or the lack of alternative weapons.

Honestly, I don't really understand why people wouldn't be concerned about choices. Wouldn't it be better to leave the Dominator setting up to the people using it? Then they'd have the option of stunning or killing. In this episode, we have a clear-cut case of where taking the perp in alive, and interrogating him, could prove very helpful.

But that doesn't appear to be an option, because the police were essentially left with only two choices - Shoot to kill or don't shoot (and if you don't shoot, the perp is more likely to get away).
To be completely fair, as of episode 5, the dominator has never been in the wrong mode.

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Old 2012-11-10, 18:39   Link #79
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To be completely fair, as of episode 5, the dominator has never been in the wrong mode.
Point made and taken. I have this nagging feeling it'll become a big plot point later on.
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Old 2012-11-10, 18:53   Link #80
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And the drugs Mido was on kept him going even after his arm was blown off. I don't think the stun mode would have had any effect on him.
So he was prob on the same drug as ep. 1's rapist?
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