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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 05 Rating
Perfect 10 13 20.31%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 30 46.88%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 15 23.44%
7 out of 10 : Good 5 7.81%
6 out of 10 : Average 0 0%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.56%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
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2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
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Old 2012-11-10, 18:56   Link #81
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Kougami graduated high school at 16, and he qualified to teach university social sciences at the university level after 4 years of school. By all regards, he looks like he's one of those highly qualified elites who made inspector and was going to have a great career ahead of them, just like Akane...And then in a week something happened to him that made him an incurable latent criminal.
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I wonder if Psycho-Pass will ultimately agree with the above sentiment. I can think of examples from Madoka Magica (another Gen work) that fits The Joker's argument here.
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Old 2012-11-10, 19:17   Link #82
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I thought that was a reference to Plato though. You know, the ideal "idea" thing.
It was. I'm suggesting that the references to different philosophers and concepts are pointing towards a larger theme. I'm not sure yet what that larger theme is, and I hope that it isn't a case of random name dropping to make the anime seem "cool", sort of like how Evangelion used random religious symbols just to add to its apocalyptic setting.

One thing that's easily missed in this episode: Masatake Mido expected to be caught. He wasn't trying very hard to hide. When told that some "hunting dogs got caught" in his trap, he merely grunted, "Finally", adding that he'd continue with his plan even though he seemed to have an option to escape, saying only that he "had a duty" to fulfil.

What would be that duty be? I suspect that Mido, like many terrorists, wanted to make a very public statement of intention. And Kougami had very possibly stumbled on that statement unwittingly:
"These avatars are idols on the Net. In other words, icons. Icons cannot exist solely through their own will. Neither Hayama nor Sugawara established their status on their own. They were able to become Talisman and Spooky Boogie only because their fans idolised them based on their own distorted perceptions. The idols' true felings and their true colours are not the same as the ideals represented by their characters."
To me, the above seemed like a vague reference to Arthur Schopenhauer's The World as Will and Representation, which is itself an extension of Immanuel Kant's idea of transcendental idealism. The basic idea is that Schopenhauer believed that it's possible to discover and "know" otherwise abstract concepts through human will. Which is to say, reality is what human will — our consciousness — makes of it.

Contrast Kougami's words against those of Tsunemori in this episode:
"Isn't using the Net just like using knives for cooking or using paper to write things down? It has nothing to do with good or bad. It's like, it's there, so we accept it and use it."
Tsunemori echoes some of the earlier comments we've covered in the general discussion thread, that technology is not good or bad, it depends on how you use it. More importantly, she reveals that, by and large, she passively accepts the reality around her and uses it without question.

In other words, Tsunemori passively accepts what society imposes on her, while Makishima's terrorist cell is attempting to do the opposite, to impose their will on society, and to shape it according to their vision.

These are the ideological poles that drive the conflict and drama of this show, I believe.
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Old 2012-11-10, 19:41   Link #83
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If the gun settings cannot be manually override, if Mido knew that sooner or later he would be caught by enforcers, if he was proficient handling explosives, since he was caught inside an apartment he frequently visited, what would prevent him from using the cliche bomb connected to his heartbeat so the moment his heartbeat was equal to zero the bomb(s) would blow his killers to kingdom come?

BTW, to the people that say that due to some drugs mido was impervious to the stun gun setting, remember how an armored car works, it can endure one or two shots, but successive shots in the same place over a very short period of time shot by one or more enforcers would do the work.
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Old 2012-11-10, 20:24   Link #84
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I wouldn't discount Mido using multiple types of drugs, when he answers his phone you can see a couple of syringes and bottles that he's obviously been using to pump himself full of something.
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Old 2012-11-11, 02:03   Link #85
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In every sci-fi and dystopian settings, there is always a "terrorist" group or someone who doesn't accept how the society function, tries to rebel and revolutionize the "system" as whole.

I guess that's how the plot is driven for these type of settings?
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Old 2012-11-11, 02:42   Link #86
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Funny, the episode's "avatar" theme reminded me of the Avatars here... Scary....
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Old 2012-11-11, 04:12   Link #87
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quick, someone get a Spooky Boogie account
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Old 2012-11-11, 06:28   Link #88
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In every sci-fi and dystopian settings, there is always a "terrorist" group or someone who doesn't accept how the society function, tries to rebel and revolutionize the "system" as whole.

I guess that's how the plot is driven for these type of settings?
Well, you have a point. But at least it's interesting the way the premise is being built up. At the very least, I expect there won't be a black-and-white resolution, just many shades of grey that have to be carefully managed.
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Old 2012-11-11, 10:21   Link #89
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Just started, this is pretty good.
Just wondering about at what crime coefficient level the gun enters what mode, from the episodes so far if it exceeds at least 100 it enters paralyser mode, but what about lethal mode?
The woman in the first case had a crime coefficient of 190 when it entered lethal mode, but the factory worker exceeded 200 and it was still paralyser mode? Any other thoughts?
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Old 2012-11-11, 10:28   Link #90
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Just started, this is pretty good.
Just wondering about at what crime coefficient level the gun enters what mode, from the episodes so far if it exceeds at least 100 it enters paralyser mode, but what about lethal mode?
The woman in the first case had a crime coefficient of 190 when it entered lethal mode, but the factory worker exceeded 200 and it was still paralyser mode? Any other thoughts?
I didn't even noticed but maybe it was because of plotholes ? Maybe they're going to fix up later on.

EDIT : I was wrong, but maybe you should rewatch one more time to learn a bit behind the Dominator.
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Old 2012-11-11, 10:48   Link #91
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The woman in the first case had a crime coefficient of 190 when it entered lethal mode, but the factory worker exceeded 200 and it was still paralyser mode? Any other thoughts?
We discussed this extensively in the general discussion thread before the subforum was created. The consensus is that the Dominator probably uses a variety of indices, and not just an individual's Crime Coefficient, to determine its operating mode. In the rape victim's case, the Dominator went into lethal mode because she was clutching a lit lighter while lying in a pool of fuel. The Dominator thus determined she was a threat to Kogami's safety, and authorised him to kill her in self-defence.
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Old 2012-11-11, 17:13   Link #92
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for Rousseau simplified : Masaoka is explaining that humans are social animals as in they gather together. That the development of technologies basically strengthens this social bonding ie. mail, telephone, media etc. it brings people together. At the end he questions "Does the internet do the same?" in contrast to other technologies it seems the internet instead of bringing people together tears them apart (a shout out to the hikikomori phenomenon), especially with the popular usage of AVATARS and "ANONYMOUS" tags which hides people true identity.that's why he said he cant relate/understand.

ah... cant remember about makishima ^^
I think what the episode was implying is that in bringing people together the internet is slowly eroding the traditional concept of the self or the ego. In his haste to become like his idols the suspect basically forfeited any notion of what it meant to be his own person with his own ideas, yet he identified so strongly with those avatars by that point that he was able to play them almost effortlessly. No doubt many people in todays society sort of have the same issue, the inability to generate their own ideas. I see it all the time on the internet where people tend to latch onto other peoples ideas much quicker than they are able to come up with their own. These avatars were nothing special by todays standards it appears, but in a society so rigidly controlled and integrated as the Psycho-Pass one their celebrity came merely from the fact that they conveyed ideas, not wisdom but ideas, to people who couldn't think of solutions to their own problems themselves. That's it. I fear the day when what people like Spookie Boogie and Talisman do is considered to be a remarkable talent, but somehow I think we're fast approaching it with the likes of Dr. Phil.
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Old 2012-11-11, 17:20   Link #93
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I think what the episode was implying is that in bringing people together the internet is slowly eroding the traditional concept of the self or the ego. In his haste to become like his idols the suspect basically forfeited any notion of what it meant to be his own person with his own ideas, yet he identified so strongly with those avatars by that point that he was able to play them almost effortlessly. No doubt many people in todays society sort of have the same issue, the inability to generate their own ideas.
Hasn't that always been the case, though? All the Internet brought was an expectation of content generation.
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I think that garbage is basically right in the critique that Masaoka is making about the internet.

Other technologies (mail, telephone, media, etc...) bring people together in a transparent way. In other words, that's your words and, more importantly, your name that you write on your mailings to people. That's your voice on the telephone. That's your face in the media.

But if you're playing a fictional avatar and talking to other people's fictional avatars is that truly socializing? Well, given how easily Spookie Boogie and Talisman where replaced by AIs that almost nobody could tell the difference with, I think that this episode was arguing that there's not enough of the "real person" in these sorts of avatars to make their interactions with others to count as true socializing.


Mind you, I don't think this works that well as a criticism of the internet as a whole due to Facebook and Twitter. The internet is nowhere near as predominantly "anonymous" as it once was, with many people having fully integrated their internet communications with their real life communications (by using their real name and face for both). But, perhaps in Psycho-Pass' world, the internet is more like it was in the pre-Facebook/Twitter days.
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Old 2012-11-12, 00:18   Link #95
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I hope I learn a little more about the past executors know that one was spotted at the 5 years age, Kougami know he was an inspector before then there are 3 ...
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Old 2012-11-12, 01:34   Link #96
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Just started, this is pretty good.
Just wondering about at what crime coefficient level the gun enters what mode, from the episodes so far if it exceeds at least 100 it enters paralyser mode, but what about lethal mode?
The woman in the first case had a crime coefficient of 190 when it entered lethal mode, but the factory worker exceeded 200 and it was still paralyser mode? Any other thoughts?
FYI, ep 2 (10:10) where Akane's writing her report, it says "After his [the rapist] Criminal Coefficient rose to over 300, lethal enforcement was authorized."
It doesn't state the victim's crime coefficient when it turned to lethal mode, but Akane says "her crime coefficient was only temporarily elevated" at the end of the episode, so I do believe it was the possibly the case for her, as well.
Mind you, her holding a lighter in a pool of petrol was more than sufficient to understand her intent to kill herself/kill others.
From what I understand, the crime coefficient isn't some fixed number, so yes, getting scanned on a really bad day (eg. I'm feeling a little stalker-ish today, better follow my ex-GF and her new BF to make myself feel better ) means getting enforced.

Side note: Authorized? As in, have permission? Not ordered by law/Mr Sibyl? Someone fluent in Japanese care to double-check the translation of this line?
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Old 2012-11-12, 01:44   Link #97
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so it's like "my usual crime co-e is 80, but when I'm stressed it'll be 120 plus if I have a really, really bad day the stress can make it up till 300+ and I'm gonna be killed for that, eventhough tomorrow maybe it'll decrease till 80 again."
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Old 2012-11-12, 01:55   Link #98
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so it's like "my usual crime co-e is 80, but when I'm stressed it'll be 120 plus if I have a really, really bad day the stress can make it up till 300+ and I'm gonna be killed for that, eventhough tomorrow maybe it'll decrease till 80 again."
You might want to clarify "really, really bad" .
If you intent to rape someone (or did she actually get raped?)/torture, paralysis.
If you intend to kill someone (not in the wishful thinking kind of intent), then yes, I expect them to make you explode into a million pieces.

EDIT: ok, before someone makes this point, the hacker and Mido probably had the same amount of "killing intent" at the time of their scan (neither had an actual weapon on their hand), but I think Mido was considered unredeemably insane to the point of no return (taking over people when they no longer act like what expected them to act like), whereas the hacker was vengeful. As for the rape victim, intent to kill + temporarily insane at the time = supposedly unreemable at the time of the lethal scan. Or, plotholes. Whatever people consider the simplest answer.

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Old 2012-11-12, 02:34   Link #99
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so it's like "my usual crime co-e is 80, but when I'm stressed it'll be 120 plus if I have a really, really bad day the stress can make it up till 300+ and I'm gonna be killed for that, even though tomorrow maybe it'll decrease till 80 again."
I doubt that just stress itself could raise a CC to 300+, unless you've also mixed in some violent thoughts or are carrying some sort of dangerous weapon.

But yes, as a matter of fact, nearly all homicides occur at the spur of the moment, so if you really are intent on killing someone, then the Dominator would probably allow for force to be used. Though it's not as bad as blowing you to bits immediately, even the robot guy (who'd already killed 3 times) was instead given a Paralyzer shot.

300 seems to be the hard limit for the Lethal Eliminator to automatically come out.
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Old 2012-11-12, 18:41   Link #100
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Oh by the way, if your CC goes over 300, you're not just having a bad day, you're probably committing some heinous crime as we speak.

You know, because a CC of over 300 means deranged psychopath.
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