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Old 2012-11-10, 18:49   Link #541
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well, Steins;Gate didn't become "a series with tonnes of potential" until that brilliant mindfuck moment in Akihabara at the end of ep9. It was that moment that I realise that I will love that series.
That's very true, the first few episodes of Steins;Gate don't exactly draw you in. All I was saying is that it'll be tough reaching Steins;Gate levels of awesome, but if it can prove me wrong, it makes my experience that much better.
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Old 2012-11-10, 18:55   Link #542
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I still don't get why people compare R;N with S;G despite the narrative direction is drastically different and SG actually pulled the "plot under cover" right from episode 1 and 2 (Kurisu's status basically).

Anyways, while the antics were getting old fast, Airi's involvement and the few elements about NASA finally put things into motion (although I have hard time that a potential scenario would allow a single entity to prevent people noticing the Sun is about to explode but heh...).
However, the issue is completely off scale here: assuming the report is true (which is likely, otherwise it would be silly in a narrative perspective), then what can the protagonist group do?
I mean, I'm sort of puzzled how this crisis that would be beyond worldwide can be dealt with, especially within the premises and scope of the show, especially the cast as of now. I assume they will stick with science stuff to solve that, but hopefully not having a sentai mecha fixing the day...
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Old 2012-11-10, 20:43   Link #543
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I still don't get why people compare R;N with S;G despite the narrative direction is drastically different and SG actually pulled the "plot under cover" right from episode 1 and 2 (Kurisu's status basically).
It's only in comparison as they're set in the same world line. They're two completely separate entities otherwise, and I think it's fair in hoping it matches/surpasses Steins;Gate's level as a whole, as we'd probably like any series to be. It's just generalization, not a linked comparison as if they were brother/sister.
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Old 2012-11-10, 21:01   Link #544
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@Tsunade666: But does that justify of 4 episodes of high school sillyness for the robo1? Anyway, doesn't matter now, since post ep.5 the world is ending

@ogon_bat: magnetic poles are "formed" because of the flow of particles, not vice versa... plus I don't think that the sun has only two poles... not sure though.

In any case, solar flares have nothing to do with the polarity, but the anime/game was right that older star have more intense and frequent flares.
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Old 2012-11-10, 21:06   Link #545
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But does that justify of 4 episodes of high school sillyness for the robo1?
The characters need a status quo to work back towards, and it helped us get to know what the characters were like before they got involved in the big conspiracy plot. A foundation, a framework, these are important things. Just because something it was "silly" doesn't mean it's worthless.
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Old 2012-11-10, 21:34   Link #546
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@ogon_bat: magnetic poles are "formed" because of the flow of particles, not vice versa... plus I don't think that the sun has only two poles... not sure though.
From the little physics I remember, magnetic poles can exist without any particles flowing between them, magnetic lines theoretically radiate from one pole to the other (they only need an electric charge inside the magnet which in this case is the sun). afaik atm the sun has two magnetic poles (one north, one south), albeit there might be smaller/weaker temporary magnetic poles,
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Old 2012-11-10, 21:40   Link #547
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I wonder if we've become so inured to one-cour shows that what used to be considered normal development is now dismissed as slow and pointless.

Those Robo One episodes were character development, and thank goodness we had them. I wish more shows had arcs like that, and that more shows were multi-cour. Single cour shows can have great character development but only if they're exceptionally well-written, like Tsuritama or Ano Natsu.

I also think R;N is actually quite similar to S;G in terms of narrative structure, even if it's completely different so far in style and tone. And I loved the first eps of S;G too, because it was the heavy lifting those eps did in getting buy-in with the cast that made me really care what happened to them when things became more plot-driven. It's a very simple formula - character-driven episodes to establish the cast, plot-driven episodes to execute the story later. It works well but a lot of shows never bother with the first part, and IMHO they usually suffer for it.
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Old 2012-11-10, 22:44   Link #548
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It's the ADHD/140 char generation. We should be glad build-up/character development/plot progression even exists at all these days. By the time I'm wielding a cane, I won't be surprised if all forms of media go straight to climax, with a few progressives throwing in some resolution for old-time's sake.
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Old 2012-11-10, 22:51   Link #549
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The universe in which Chaos;Head, Steins;Gate and Robotics;Notes share is really dark. First, we had silent weapons. Then, we had time travel. Finally, we have the sun blowing up. I may not want to live in that kind of universe where all conspiracy theories are true.
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Old 2012-11-10, 22:58   Link #550
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I may not want to live in that kind of universe where all conspiracy theories are true.
That is the funny part, how do we know our universe is not just as dark, for all we know we might have been saved so far countless of times by deus ex machina and nobody has noticed.
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Old 2012-11-10, 22:59   Link #551
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Old 2012-11-10, 23:26   Link #552
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Yes, and little fairies leave dollar bills in exchange for little children's teeth.
TBT it is a mouse. <Hououin Kyouma>You have been fooled by the brainwashing masterminds of the organization! </Hououin Kyouma>
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Old 2012-11-10, 23:42   Link #553
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@Tsunade666: But does that justify of 4 episodes of high school sillyness for the robo1? Anyway, doesn't matter now, since post ep.5 the world is ending
S;G spent almost half the show working on character development and world building before the main storyline actually kicked in. The ADHD "I WANT STORY AND I IT NAO!!" mentality has really changed anime, and I don't think for the better. I was always critical of the time-wasting that went on in shows like Eureka Seven and Blood+, because those really were examples of dragging out a story that could have been told in half the episode count. But something like R;N and S;G require time for you to get to know the characters and flesh out the world they inhabit. They are, after all, originally VNs!
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Old 2012-11-11, 00:15   Link #554
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I wonder if we've become so inured to one-cour shows that what used to be considered normal development is now dismissed as slow and pointless....
This may be so -- and I can often feel my own impatience -- but a one-cour anime has more than twice as many minutes in it as the average feature film. I think that's enough.

In a movie, you are supposed to hook the viewer to the characters and the plot within the first few minutes. I don't see why an anime TV series can't do that, and still have time to flesh out the characters before (or while) driving the plot toward its conclusion. Sometimes slow development actually is pointless.

I'm not particularly complaining about this show, since I find myself quite interested in both the main characters. I do wonder, however, if we could have gotten as much character development and plot set-up in two episodes as we did in four. It depends on how the contest aspect ties in with larger matters. I think I had a good feel for the two main characters after episode one. I just hope that Kai's negativity still has a dramatic purpose. It seems to have almost disappeared in episode 5, for some reason.
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Old 2012-11-11, 01:13   Link #555
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The characters need a status quo to work back towards, and it helped us get to know what the characters were like before they got involved in the big conspiracy plot. A foundation, a framework, these are important things. Just because something it was "silly" doesn't mean it's worthless.
Dunno, considering the games and anime I have played and watched for nitro+ they have never wasted so much time before moving into the "main plot"

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From the little physics I remember, magnetic poles can exist without any particles flowing between them, magnetic lines theoretically radiate from one pole to the other (they only need an electric charge inside the magnet which in this case is the sun). afaik atm the sun has two magnetic poles (one north, one south), albeit there might be smaller/weaker temporary magnetic poles,
I think you are confusing permanently magnetized materials with electromagnetism... if I remember correctly in the first case the bipole is created by the arrangement of particles within the atomic structure, while in the later witch applies from the your bikes lamp to stars it's the flow/current of charged particles that can create multi-pole magnetic fields... in between, I am no expert, just trying to remember what I was studying ages ago

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S;G spent almost half the show working on character development and world building before the main storyline actually kicked in. The ADHD "I WANT STORY AND I IT NAO!!" mentality has really changed anime, and I don't think for the better. I was always critical of the time-wasting that went on in shows like Eureka Seven and Blood+, because those really were examples of dragging out a story that could have been told in half the episode count. But something like R;N and S;G require time for you to get to know the characters and flesh out the world they inhabit. They are, after all, originally VNs!
S;G got very quickly into the main plot and developed its casts through it, dunno how important robo1 will end up being, but now it doesn't seem all that significant.
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Old 2012-11-11, 04:00   Link #556
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Dunno, considering the games and anime I have played and watched for nitro+ they have never wasted so much time before moving into the "main plot"
But this game wasn't developed by Nitroplus
And both Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate too (though one of Nitro+ scerist writers helped with the time loop stuff in Steins;Gate).
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Old 2012-11-11, 05:11   Link #557
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But this game wasn't developed by Nitroplus
And both Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate too (though one of Nitro+ scerist writers helped with the time loop stuff in Steins;Gate).
You're not referring to Gen right?

Anyway, was I the only one who actually liked / loved C;H anime for all its worth? Seriously.

...anyway, back to R;N.
Spoiler for potentially end spoiler -- I actually have no idea, but it's my bet:


Back to visible plotz: apparently, there was an AI called Airi...back in 2008. Hmm... need to check C;H for some details. Also, that would mean that humans have already developed full AIs back in 2008.... whatisthisidonteven....

Then in 2009 (in S;G VN), there's the time travel capers. It also mentioned that the same thing (large divergence potential) happened in the Gulf War (1999). 2000 was when the dangerous monopoles were discovered. Hmm.... coincidence? (of course I may have the years wrong, so that's that.)
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Old 2012-11-11, 05:34   Link #558
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You're not referring to Gen right?
dude there are two other writers at N+ :P
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Old 2012-11-11, 05:52   Link #559
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I found an interesting article regarding the sun magnetic pole issue. This is from NASA itself!

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news..._currentsheet/

Anyway the bottom line is

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Usually the Sun's magnetic field is dipolar, too. But not always. "During solar maximum there are quadrupole and octupole components as well," says Riley. That's a physicist's way of saying that the Sun's magnetic field is more like 4 or 8 dumbbells jumbled together. When Solar Max is near, these components rearrange themselves with sometimes-odd results--like a double north pole
In short:
-There are usually only two magnetic poles on the sun (north and south)
-Occasionally there can be four or even eight (usually during the phases when north and south poles switch positions)
-Occasionally some odd things can happen, like the coexistence of two north poles with no localized south poles.

I wonder if this odd fact is what gave the idea of the existence of monopoles to the authors of Robotic;Notes.
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Old 2012-11-11, 10:01   Link #560
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However, the issue is completely off scale here: assuming the report is true (which is likely, otherwise it would be silly in a narrative perspective), then what can the protagonist group do?
I mean, I'm sort of puzzled how this crisis that would be beyond worldwide can be dealt with, especially within the premises and scope of the show, especially the cast as of now. I assume they will stick with science stuff to solve that, but hopefully not having a sentai mecha fixing the day...
As of now, I have no idea how the protagonists will be able to save the day either, but I'm pretty sure it won't be with a Gunvarrel ankh striker

That would leave me speechless, given the realistic tone of the anime so far. The robot may play a role, but not by acting like a super robot.
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