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Old 2012-11-12, 01:15   Link #421
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So, in 1) you complain about being difficult to find an app in Windows 8 and in 2) you complain that finding an app in Windows 8 is not any different than in Windows 7.

So, what's your real issue?
I just don't see the need for it as an "upgrade" because all it does is instead of having 2 ways to do something (using the menu -or- typing it in), you're now limited to only one way. All I see right now is cutting down functionality for a cooler-looking desktop, which isn't exactly an upgrade.

I am earnestly trying to convince myself that Windows 8 is better, so chill. So I want to find out more about it, not get into a semantics argument.

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The search feature has actually been expanded somewhat, where you can now search within Windows Store apps (e.g. searching within the Skydrive app).

Unfortunately, it does seem that Windows 8 has a rather steep learning curve, and the new shortcuts and features aren't exactly made obvious to the average Joe or Jane (such as viewing "All apps" by right clicking anywhere on the Start screen).
By far the most important two keyboard shortcuts would be:
Windows key + Q: Search
Windows key + C: Charms menu, which grants access to Search, as well as actually letting you power down the computer via Settings.
So the search feature is expanded eh? That could be interesting. About grouping when searching, isn't it already in Windows 7? Here's a screenshot:



I guess the search "window" is bigger in Windows 8...that's about it.
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Old 2012-11-12, 01:20   Link #422
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1) Let's say I want to find something like the Control Panel or the Calculator. It takes a wonder to navigate anywhere to find it on Windows 8. I'm also not fond of memorizing more shortcut keys because of the lack of a Start Menu.
Right-clicking the bottom left corner of the screen gives you quick access to the Control Panel, along with other tools (Computer Management, Command Prompt, Event Viewer, Run, etc.).

The Start Screen is used to launch applications. However, I find that I rarely have to access it at all since I like to create desktop shortcuts to commonly used apps (if all else fails, you can add the "Start Menu" as a toolbar, although that's a messy workaround).

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Are there some functionality enhancements for Windows 8? If all that's being offered is a "cooler desktop" and a "new sleek look", then I'm just not sure it's for me.
The Task Manager is much better, if that's important to you. Nevertheless, for desktop users, Windows 8 is only an incremental upgrade. It's more secure and more responsive.
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Old 2012-11-12, 01:26   Link #423
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So the search feature is expanded eh? That could be interesting. About grouping when searching, isn't it already in Windows 7? Here's a screenshot:



I guess the search "window" is bigger in Windows 8...that's about it.
Ah, what I meant was that results show up depending on what group/app you pick (by default, it's Apps first, and will show only apps. If you picked to search Google, for example, the Google app would launch and show results from Google. Same goes for Store, Skydrive, Mail, etc).




Another useful shortcut: Windows key + Prt Scr, which takes a full screenshot and saves a PNG into My Pictures\Screenshots.
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Old 2012-11-12, 01:26   Link #424
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I just checked our the new Task Manager and indeed it's much nicer. I use it quite often, so I'll look forward to that. The right-clicking will probably be more convenient for me as I get more used to it. I guess I'll look forward to using it.

@blaze0041: Okay, somehow I missed that you can directly search the internet by too on your start page. That's pretty interesting. Is there a way to "edit" the default Apps screen? If so, you can sort of organize icons that you want when you press start, so your desktop become less cluttered. And then, you can sort of transform the start menu into a "start grid" which would be amazing!
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Old 2012-11-12, 01:35   Link #425
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I just don't see the need for it as an "upgrade" because all it does is instead of having 2 ways to do something (using the menu -or- typing it in), you're now limited to only one way. All I see right now is cutting down functionality for a cooler-looking desktop, which isn't exactly an upgrade.
There are 2 ways in Windows 8 as well. Search from the Start screen or, if you want to see the full list of "installed" apps, just bring up the "All apps" list in the Start screen. Of course, you can also just pin your commonly used apps, folders, files, and IE pinned sites to the Start screen.
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I am earnestly trying to convince myself that Windows 8 is better, so chill. So I want to find out more about it, not get into a semantics argument.
I am "chill," just wanted to know your actual issue since what you said earlier seemed contradictory to me.
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Old 2012-11-12, 02:50   Link #426
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@blaze0041: Okay, somehow I missed that you can directly search the internet by too on your start page. That's pretty interesting. Is there a way to "edit" the default Apps screen? If so, you can sort of organize icons that you want when you press start, so your desktop become less cluttered. And then, you can sort of transform the start menu into a "start grid" which would be amazing!
I'm not so good at explaining things, but I'm assuming this is what you're talking about.
It's one of the options that doesn't get synchronised if you have linked your user account to a Microsoft account (previously known as an MSN account or Windows Live ID), however.
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Old 2012-11-12, 04:23   Link #427
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Yeah that's very useful to know! It's like a "bookmark" of your apps, which I like. This way, I can have the apps I use daily on my desktop, and the ones that I still use often on my start screen. Thanks for the responses by the way, they've been a huge help.
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Old 2012-11-13, 10:04   Link #428
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If you don't plan on using Metro ever, I tried using Windows 7 Explorer on Windows 8 with Ex7forWin8 and it basically does it job... and it's completely reversible. I tried it over the weekend and it works perfectly with some bugs involving bluetooth and account creation since those depend on Metro UI. It also loses the second taskbar for multi monitor setups.
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But yes, Windows 8 is actually more usable without the Metro stuff in my opinion without sacrificing the new features. There is also a program called "Startisback" that also brings back the native Windows 7 Start Menu while maintaining access to the Metro UI without needing to copy Window 7 files and is cheaper than Start8. Still, it's ironic that one has to install third party utilities just to fix Windows 8.
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Old 2012-11-13, 10:15   Link #429
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Still, it's ironic that one has to install third party utilities just to fix Windows 8.
Not really, it's one of the strengths of Windows that you can customize it more your liking (although it obviously doesn't go as far as the open source operating systems out there).

That's really all that you did.
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Old 2012-11-13, 10:47   Link #430
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and I don't really miss the start menu at all. I kinda like the startscreen...

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Not really, it's one of the strengths of Windows that you can customize it more your liking (although it obviously doesn't go as far as the open source operating systems out there).
Start screen users have Oblytile and the MyCustomtile App for good customization programs.
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my only complain about startscreen is that it always on full screen with now way to minimize it. which kinda disturb multitasking.
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Not really, it's one of the strengths of Windows that you can customize it more your liking (although it obviously doesn't go as far as the open source operating systems out there).

That's really all that you did.


That is the objective of every operating systems; to provide an abstraction layer for the hardware for programmers to build applications... OK, with the popularization of computers adds a GUI for simple tasks... nonetheless the prevalence of MS-Windows, probably misleads a lot of users, so we have to rely to higher level and cross-OS abstraction these days like web-apps, java, OpenGL, etc

In a perfect world, that would be clear, and easy to do, but marketing (not necessarily profit) takes precedence over the service advertised.
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Old 2012-11-13, 15:32   Link #433
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i have a old Toshiba l355-s7817 laptop (1.8dual core, 3gig ram).

i had it upgrade form Vista to Xp a while back. Should i move it to Win8?
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i have a old Toshiba l355-s7817 laptop (1.8dual core, 3gig ram).

i had it upgrade form Vista to Xp a while back. Should i move it to Win8?
Unless you want to upgrade your laptop into a tablet, don't
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Old 2012-11-13, 16:09   Link #435
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Unless you want to upgrade your laptop into a tablet, don't
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The company has announced that the next incremental upgrade to DirectX, version 11.1 and presumably every new version thereafter will be exclusive to Windows 8.
Microsoft touts DirectX 11.1 as a piece of Windows 8, likening its exclusivity to Windows 8 (and Windows RT and Windows Server 2012) to how DirectX 11 was built specifically for Windows 7. However, if you were a Vista user, you may remember DirectX 11 being retrofitted for Vista, whereas Microsoft has made it clear that at the moment, at least DirectX 11.1 will be exclusive to Windows 8 without any plans to bring it to older operating systems.
http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/14...ers-to-upgrade
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It's important to remember that the hardware has to also support DirectX 11.1 to take advantage of it.
There doesn't seem to be anything too significant about this DirectX update though.

Also, I'm uncertain as to whether my graphics card supports DirectX 11.1 or not.
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Old 2012-11-13, 17:28   Link #437
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It's important to remember that the hardware has to also support DirectX 11.1 to take advantage of it.
There doesn't seem to be anything too significant about this DirectX update though.

Also, I'm uncertain as to whether my graphics card supports DirectX 11.1 or not.
Actually, the game developers have to support new DirectX. We all remember how long it took to get to 10 or 11 in the first place, even when everything else was ready.
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Old 2012-11-13, 20:05   Link #438
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11.1 is much like 10.1 was It was mostly a revision of some components.

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my only complain about startscreen is that it always on full screen with now way to minimize it. which kinda disturb multitasking.
multitasking what? you mean to say that you have to look at your desktop wallpaper while doing stuff?

at this point, the startscreen might as well be satan, saddam, and bin laden at the same time...
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Old 2012-11-13, 22:06   Link #439
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i have a old Toshiba l355-s7817 laptop (1.8dual core, 3gig ram).

i had it upgrade form Vista to Xp a while back. Should i move it to Win8?
Compared to XP, 8 is:
-Heavier. It'll be slower, probably noticeably so, on your laptop
+More secure
+Faster booting
+Retains 7's nice improvements over XP
+Has a couple improvements on top of that

So is that worth $40?

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my only complain about startscreen is that it always on full screen with now way to minimize it. which kinda disturb multitasking.
Why do you need to see everything else on your desktop when launching an app?

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at this point, the startscreen might as well be satan, saddam, and bin laden at the same time...
"bin Laden" screws your alliteration. "Stalin" would fit more, you know "start" "screen" "satan" "saddam"
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Old 2012-11-13, 23:35   Link #440
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Why do you need to see everything else on your desktop when launching an app?
This response I've seen quite a number of times now. It really isn't responsive to what the consumer *wants* and the question is why *can't* a user who, say, already has several apps open and wants to see them while launching an app - can't?

This is a "feature" that makes perfect sense on a 2"x2" screen or even a small tablet. On a wide-screen monitor, not so much. Microsoft just figures the small screen environment is where the money is - I guess.

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