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Old 2012-11-13, 07:25   Link #3181
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Old 2012-11-13, 08:25   Link #3182
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Will peoples learn the leason: probaby not.
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Old 2012-11-13, 09:10   Link #3183
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Kansas is the United States poster child for anti-science and anti-education in many respects. It is only outshone by Texas when the Texas textbook board meets and screws up the textbooks with superstition and demagoguery.
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Old 2012-11-13, 10:07   Link #3184
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Old 2012-11-13, 10:16   Link #3185
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yeah, the Young Turks go after both parties -- its too bad they aren't seen by "mainstream only" viewers.
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Old 2012-11-13, 10:46   Link #3186
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yeah, the Young Turks go after both parties -- its too bad they aren't seen by "mainstream only" viewers.
Yeah, and the great thing about them is that they don't go after both parties for the sake of going after both partis (like CNN). They just point it out as it is.
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Old 2012-11-13, 13:41   Link #3187
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Oh, just in case someone gets the idea that "angry white males" == GOPers with tin foil hats and delusional fantasies, here's a nice article by a "white male" who's utterly pissed off at the GOP and skewers them on each topic.

http://www.ericgarland.co/2012/11/09...-white-people/
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Old 2012-11-13, 14:02   Link #3188
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Oh, just in case someone gets the idea that "angry white males" == GOPers with tin foil hats and delusional fantasies, here's a nice article by a "white male" who's utterly pissed off at the GOP and skewers them on each topic.

http://www.ericgarland.co/2012/11/09...-white-people/
Mr DJ already posted it two pages ago.
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Old 2012-11-13, 14:30   Link #3189
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Mr DJ already posted it two pages ago.
Fair enough. I missed it somehow too, so from Mr DJ and Vexx, thanks for the links both of you. Amazing read...and exactly the kind of voter who really has been marginalized by both parties.

Sadly I think the only lesson both parties will take from this election is that changing image is more important than changing policy.
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Old 2012-11-13, 15:21   Link #3190
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Sadly I think the only lesson both parties will take from this election is that changing image is more important than changing policy.
More important or easier ?
Let's face it, unless you prove them wrong with fact than they would accepts ( not much chance on that), I doubt than neither party will want to change.
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Old 2012-11-13, 16:29   Link #3191
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Sadly I think the only lesson both parties will take from this election is that changing image is more important than changing policy.
The republicans (both the politicians and the people that have voted republican all their lives) are in total denial so they cannot learn jack squat, they will simply say "mhh, we are some millions voters short of regaining the white house, next time lets nominate a latino for president and let him have a black female lesbian as his VP partner". Which would not make me happy since they would no doubt have to be stooges no better than bush & cheney to win the primaries.

The democrats have learned that using computers can help them win elections and that they do not need a successful president to get him reelected as long as they have to against the republicans.
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here is a quickie translation of part of an article that compares presidential elections in the USA and Mexico, I thought it was eye opening.

1. These past elections in the USA had a cost eleven times higher than the ones in mexico and the difference in population is just 3 to 1.

2. 70% of campaign money is not accountable because they enter thru the campagin commites, in Mexico all of it is under official and public scrutiny (unless of course someone accepts to give publicity and does not give any kind of receipt).

3. Most of the money in the USA election went into TV spots, in Mexico those are free.

4. There are numerous scandals in the USA due to some donation money, here political parties cannot receive a penny of private money.

5. In the USA it is legal the day of the election call a citizen, send a vehicle to his house, take him to the polling place and then return him home. Here it is illegal albeit the practice remains.

6. The pew center states that there are about two million voters registered in two or more states. Here that is impossible because your electoral credential has your home address and if you change address the old credential will no longer work since it will be removed from the list they have at your polling place.

7. Voting in more than once is possible because there is no electoral license (nor any similar doument with photography is required) , no mark is placed on the thumb after voting and federal elections are run by each state (here is run by a federal entity) with diferent laws (like that one in texas that prohibits international observers to come near the polling place).

8. The pew center states that about two million people which are dead are still registered and someone else can vote in their place. Here the voter list is under constant scrutiny and the electoral credential must be renew like i.e. your drivers license.

9. Republicans have said that the USA campaign has been pro-Obama since the start. Here the candidate that lost the election said the equivalent.

10. The candidate with more citizen votes is not necessarily the winner, this has happened 17 times in USA history. Here the vote is direct, the winner is the one with more votes.

11. Here the voting is done by hand, slower but it is feasible to do a recount (and man, do we have had recounts, sometimes due to sore losers, sometimes there have been some irregularities).
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Old 2012-11-13, 16:41   Link #3192
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Mr DJ already posted it two pages ago.
Errr, missed it, kudos to DJ then.
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Old 2012-11-13, 16:48   Link #3193
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Fair enough. I missed it somehow too, so from Mr DJ and Vexx, thanks for the links both of you. Amazing read...and exactly the kind of voter who really has been marginalized by both parties.
I don't know about that. It seems that the Democrat would be "some good, some bad" for him.
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Old 2012-11-13, 16:50   Link #3194
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The republicans (both the politicians and the people that have voted republican all their lives) are in total denial so they cannot learn jack squat, they will simply say "mhh, we are some millions voters short of regaining the white house, next time lets nominate a latino for president and let him have a black female lesbian as his VP partner".
That just the same reasoning than resulted in Palin in 2008, just pushed a bit farther . Don't ask me why Romney didn't go the same way

Edit: Jindal: End 'dumbed-down conservatism'
http://www.politico.com/news/stories...743.html?hp=f2
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“It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said. “It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party. We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”
He is most likely to end up being tagged ''RINO'' before the end of the day, if he wasn't already.
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Old 2012-11-13, 16:55   Link #3195
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Probably because having a woman on the ticket didn't help McCain, nor Clinton in 2008.

I know a few people that would easily vote for a minority over any woman because they don't believe a woman should be in charge. Nor do they want one that is one heartbeat away from being President.

I would have voted for Elizabeth Dole had she run instead of her husband in 1996.

(Tha or Iron Sky)
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Old 2012-11-13, 17:01   Link #3196
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That just the same reasoning than resulted in Palin in 2008, just pushed a bit farther . Don't ask me why Romney didn't go the same way

Edit: Jindal: End 'dumbed-down conservatism'
http://www.politico.com/news/stories...743.html?hp=f2

He is most likely to end up being tagged ''RINO'' before the end of the day, if he wasn't already.
Plus, he's "not white" ... just had a conversation with a family member who thinks like I do. According to her, some of my family and their friends are acting batshit rage insane over the re-election of the "black socialist". Seriously over the edge...
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Old 2012-11-13, 17:04   Link #3197
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That just the same reasoning than resulted in Palin in 2008, just pushed a bit farther . Don't ask me why Romney didn't go the same way
He technically did, Ryan's appeal was to the Tea Party and the more conversative base.
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Old 2012-11-13, 17:11   Link #3198
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Plus, he's "not white" ... just had a conversation with a family member who thinks like I do. Apparently some of my family and their friends are acting batshit rage insane over the re-election of the "black socialist". Seriously over the edge...
you should remind them, it is Black Muslim Socialist.
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Old 2012-11-13, 17:23   Link #3199
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you should remind them, it is Black Muslim Socialist.
no no no, it's Black Kenyan Radical Atheist Muslim Communist!
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Old 2012-11-13, 17:27   Link #3200
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I don't find him to be very Radical, man.
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