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Old 2012-11-13, 14:01   Link #241
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That pretty useful. Crew skill?
Yep, commanders can develop 6th sense later on and inform the player that they have been spotted.

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Old 2012-11-14, 01:40   Link #242
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Damn. What did they do to the T1 Heavy when I was away? I don't remember it's such a beast last year.
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Old 2012-11-14, 02:46   Link #243
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What is with you guys and your 7-9 kills per game? My highest was 8 with the PzIV and that was by accident.
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Old 2012-11-14, 04:08   Link #244
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They fixed the matchmaking by making the battle tiers +/- 1 tier instead of the old +/- 2 tiers. (Previously T1 Heavy could see tier 9 tanks in its battles, but now it sees tier 7s max)

That could be it. Don't remember when that was implemented though.
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Old 2012-11-14, 04:28   Link #245
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It would have been better if someone created one with a newtype ping sound effect.

Anyway after playing several times I think the problem with my T4 tanks (M3 Lee and pzKpfw38nA) isn't so much the tanks themselves but the horrible matchmaking. Not sure what the design philosophy is behind putting T4 tanks with T6 to T8 tanks there's nothing you can do in those games besides passive scouting. :\

Also I keep reading you need to use HE shells for higher tier targets is this true?
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Old 2012-11-14, 05:52   Link #246
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Also I keep reading you need to use HE shells for higher tier targets is this true?
That's actually a misleading tip. HE shells are useful against higher tier targets because the chance of dealing damage with HE is greater since the shell explodes on impact, rather than if you were to try to use AP and it bounces.

Still, the damage dealt is determined by how much armor your enemy has, so against more heavily armored targets the damage you're dealing with AP is nearly nill. It's more effective to know the weakspots of the tank you're shooting at and/or flank them, rather than using HE. I only really use HE when the gun is designed for it, or when I have no other choice in the matter.
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Old 2012-11-14, 07:00   Link #247
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HE are especially useful if you know where the enemies engine or ammo is, since equipping the 105 to my T82 last night I've had at least 4 kills come down to the enemies engine exploding.

If in doubt go for the tracks =]
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Old 2012-11-14, 07:40   Link #248
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Anyway after playing several times I think the problem with my T4 tanks (M3 Lee and pzKpfw38nA) isn't so much the tanks themselves but the horrible matchmaking. Not sure what the design philosophy is behind putting T4 tanks with T6 to T8 tanks there's nothing you can do in those games besides passive scouting. :\
The M3 Lee shouldn't meet any T8 tanks, though. Were you in a platoon?
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Old 2012-11-14, 08:28   Link #249
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my tier 4 have been thrown into tier 8 battle several times too...
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Old 2012-11-14, 09:21   Link #250
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Tier 4 Light Tanks are considered dedicated scouts and thus are forced into Tier 8 battles.
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Old 2012-11-14, 10:06   Link #251
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^ Unfortunately, if you don't know that and put on a heavier gun and turret without a better engine, you're not going to do very well in that role and do almost nil damage to medium/heavies..

(PS: Yes, I made that mistake)

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Old 2012-11-14, 10:18   Link #252
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Tier IV Medium and Heavy tanks should only see Tier 6 enemies at highest unless platooned with higher tier allies. As Sumeragi above mentions however, Tier IV light tanks and above are considered scouts, and thus valued higher on the matchmaker, resulting in them seeing even Tier X tanks. One the one hand, if you can keep yourself alive long enough to scout for the Heavies, you can earn significant amounts of exp and cash without firing a single shot. On the other hand, it's surviving that's the problem
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Old 2012-11-14, 11:45   Link #253
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Wow, you are tempting me to buy back my T38NA. I am not going to ever use it to shoot, because its 5cm gun does squat. But... as a scouting vehicle, it does wonders.

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Old 2012-11-14, 11:51   Link #254
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The M3 Lee shouldn't meet any T8 tanks, though. Were you in a platoon?
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Tier 4 Light Tanks are considered dedicated scouts and thus are forced into Tier 8 battles.
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Tier IV Medium and Heavy tanks should only see Tier 6 enemies at highest unless platooned with higher tier allies. As Sumeragi above mentions however, Tier IV light tanks and above are considered scouts, and thus valued higher on the matchmaker, resulting in them seeing even Tier X tanks.
If that's the case I most likely faced T8 units with my 38nA rather with my M3 Lee.
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Still, the damage dealt is determined by how much armor your enemy has, so against more heavily armored targets the damage you're dealing with AP is nearly nill. It's more effective to know the weakspots of the tank you're shooting at and/or flank them, rather than using HE. I only really use HE when the gun is designed for it, or when I have no other choice in the matter.
That makes sense, my rule of thumb is too aim for the behind as much as possible considering the engine tends to be located there.

Anyway currently alt tabbing in a game, passive scouting FTW.

edit: and now I'm in a game with T8 units.
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Old 2012-11-14, 12:22   Link #255
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I have only been thrown into T8 battle 5 times so I don't think Sumeragi theory is true, and don't take T4 light tank lightly as their weight, I with my A13 destroyed light, medium, TD and some low HP heavy regularly. (my highest kill in a battle with my T4 A13 was 4 and 1 of them was heavy)
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Old 2012-11-14, 12:39   Link #256
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So far I heard the British tree is not good, but I found that A13 and Crusader are quite good for their tier. The guns are nice, and they could withstand enough punishment to deal damage back.
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Old 2012-11-14, 12:46   Link #257
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The British tanks are "not good" in that they don't quite fit the usual light-medium-heavy categories due to how the British made their tanks. You have to get used to it.
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Old 2012-11-14, 12:49   Link #258
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Check out the world of tanks wiki, it lists for each tank the matchmaking tier:

The A13 is in tiers 4-6, whereas the 38nA is in tiers 4-8. The British and French seem to have the "kindest" matchmaking for it's tier 4 lights, but the French get the tier 4 heavy .. and the British get access to early medium tanks at Tier 1. Although the capabilities of the tanks don't necessarily fit the "light/med/heavy" categories across nations for those particular countries..

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Old 2012-11-14, 12:57   Link #259
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Wow, you are tempting me to buy back my T38NA. I am not going to ever use it to shoot, because its 5cm gun does squat. But... as a scouting vehicle, it does wonders.

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The tank is still pretty bad as a scout since it isn't fast either.
As for scout exp, you get 50% of what your team member doing the damage earned, divided by the number of team members spotting the target.
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Old 2012-11-14, 13:23   Link #260
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The tank is still pretty bad as a scout since it isn't fast either.
Quite frankly, I'd rather take my jeep and scout. At least I can do around 80mph on that thing

But actually the NA its not that bad... its around 75km/h, and I usually can avoid enemy fire with it.

That being said, the transversing rate for the NA is pretty horrid, and while turning, my NA is very vulnerable.

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