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View Poll Results: Psycho-Pass - Episode 6 Rating
Perfect 10 17 28.33%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 19 31.67%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 21 35.00%
7 out of 10 : Good 2 3.33%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 1.67%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
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Old 2012-11-16, 01:45   Link #21
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For me, the strongest take-home point from this episode is the confession that this society hasn't yet been able to conclusively prove the link between psychology and criminal behaviour. That changes my view of the Sibyl System completely and makes me wonder more than before why and how it was adopted. It looks likely to be a case of pre-emptive crime-fighting measures taken a bit too far after all.
Between genetics and criminal behavior, you mean. Behavior is part of psychology. The takeaway message seems to be that the Sibyl System does [i]not/i]] scan for genetic makeup, at least not when calculating CC.
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Old 2012-11-16, 02:08   Link #22
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At least it explains why Ginoza is so stoic. He just don't want to give off any hint that he might be a criminal, and also wouldn't want to repeat his father's mistakes.

In the words of Uryuu Ryuunosuke, this is pure art, and is soooooooo coooooooooooool.

Next episode, time to infiltrate the school
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Old 2012-11-16, 02:44   Link #23
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Between genetics and criminal behavior, you mean. Behavior is part of psychology. The takeaway message seems to be that the Sibyl System does not scan for genetic makeup, at least not when calculating CC.
That's kinda how I understood it, as well.
Sibyl does not detect criminals at birth, eg. Kagari was 5 years old (ie. someone who can think independently).
Now we see why Ginoza is really trying to stay within the CC limits, to disprove the genetic link to CC, if it really is hinted that his father became a (latent?) criminal.

As for Makishima and his new partner in crime, it seems to me the reason he's against the system is because the system is doing a good job of suppressing peoples dark desires, which are he thinks are people's "true" desires and the way of ultimate happiness.
Sibyl tries to find the best way make a person happy within the bounds of contributing to society (ie. don't kill each other), whereas Makishima find the best way make a person happy ignoring all rules of a "normal" functional society (eg. killing some people because at least I'll be happy).
The fact he knows his way around the system seems to be the bigger issue.
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Old 2012-11-16, 02:51   Link #24
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Ginoza's father was apparently a (latent) criminal.
Jeez...I wonder who that could be?...

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That being said, I think this episode raises a cautionary note for many of us (including myself, admittedly). Just as this episode makes clear that there's still a lot we have to learn about the Sibyl System, I think it also makes clear that we shouldn't jump to conclusion on what motivates our main antagonist.

I don't think this episode completely rules out the possibility that he's a revolutionary. Slowly causing a system to crumble by repeatedly giving it overwhelming incidents that it can't handle well is arguably a good way to gradually erode people's faith in a system, eventually culminating in that system coming crashing down.

And, indeed, we see how faith in the system was starting to crack a bit at that all-girls school, due in no small part to the actions of our antagonists.
Thing seem to be moving in that direction with the case of the specimen killer and how his actions made the stress levels of the people in the entire area jump 4 levels according to the doctor.
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Old 2012-11-16, 03:13   Link #25
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put it simply


though i do hope there's more to it
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Old 2012-11-16, 03:53   Link #26
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lol, that creepy bitch reminds me of a deconstruction of a typical fixture of many yuri anime-- namely, the aloof, beautiful, and highly revered ojou type that often comes off as creepy due to the way they seduce their love interests. And I must say I found that enjoyable, since I frequently hate those kinds of characters. This episode reveals them for the sociopaths that they are. =p

And lol at Gen loving tragedies more than the comedies.
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Old 2012-11-16, 04:29   Link #27
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by the way.... with our (real life) law, can makishima be convicted since he's only giving idea, he do not participate at all...he's just putting things together to make things possible albeit indirectly...

any ideas?
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Old 2012-11-16, 05:08   Link #28
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by the way.... with our (real life) law, can makishima be convicted since he's only giving idea, he do not participate at all...he's just putting things together to make things possible albeit indirectly...

any ideas?
he's doing far more than giving ideas, he's actively providing material support - more than enough to qualify him as an active participant in the eye of the law.
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Old 2012-11-16, 05:22   Link #29
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by the way.... with our (real life) law, can makishima be convicted since he's only giving idea, he do not participate at all...he's just putting things together to make things possible albeit indirectly...

any ideas?
I am no legal expert but I think that what Makishima is doing as akin to giving a gun to a man who clearly expressed an intent to kill. He is also aware that his protegees are committing murders and doesn't report them. So he's definitely accomplice in murder.

I think that Makishima is not a revolutionary. He is a sociopath who takes pleasure in watching the darkest side of the human mind at work. Like jeroz, I also thought of that famous quote from The Dark Knight.
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Old 2012-11-16, 05:50   Link #30
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him or joker who is worse? i think they are both very similar to each other but unlike joker that really go out and declare himself in the open, makishima is more calculating and manipulating bastard that only most of the time stay in the background, only come out to manipulate the "victim" to kill other so i think he is worse...
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Old 2012-11-16, 06:02   Link #31
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him or joker who is worse? i think they are both very similar to each other but unlike joker that really go out and declare himself in the open, makishima is more calculating and manipulating bastard that only most of the time stay in the background, only come out to manipulate the "victim" to kill other so i think he is worse...
I second the choice of Alfred's quote to describe Makishima. He's far from being a saviour. It's a bit too soon to compare him to the Joker though. For starters, I don't think this story will be built the same way, "where an unstoppable force meets an immovable object". Given the moral ambiguity presented by the Sibyl System (yes, I meant no causal link "between genes and crime coefficient"; I was typing from memory and got it wrong, my mistake), it could hardly be said that Makishima is opposing an absolute good.

Sure, the Dark Knight was hardly pure white either, but he stood for something universal: justice.

Unlike the Joker, Makishima is not as crass, not as outwardly violent. Makishima reminds me more of Hannibal Lecter, a highly dangerous man with an extremely twisted intelligence, and who also enjoyed toying with other people's minds.
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Old 2012-11-16, 06:49   Link #32
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I see Makishima as the human version of Sibyl, except he enjoys nurturing people's dark nature.

As for the Sibyl system, as darker crimes like this becomes more prevalent due to Makishima, I can only see society deciding to add more of Sibyl's "eyes" to the street.
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Old 2012-11-16, 06:53   Link #33
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I second the choice of Alfred's quote to describe Makishima. He's far from being a saviour. It's a bit too soon to compare him to the Joker though. For starters, I don't think this story will be built the same way, "where an unstoppable force meets an immovable object". Given the moral ambiguity presented by the Sibyl System (yes, I meant no causal link "between genes and crime coefficient"; I was typing from memory and got it wrong, my mistake), it could hardly be said that Makishima is opposing an absolute good.

Sure, the Dark Knight was hardly pure white either, but he stood for something universal: justice.

Unlike the Joker, Makishima is not as crass, not as outwardly violent. Makishima reminds me more of Hannibal Lecter, a highly dangerous man with an extremely twisted intelligence, and who also enjoyed toying with other people's minds.
Sure sybil is not that great...but makishima basically in my opinion someone who dont like the current system since the current system suppressing persons "criminal desire" by keeping the person in check, either by drugs,etc

thus makishima want to break the system by provoke every person to give in, giving them what they need to realize the "desire" even though he know that would just cause chaos in the society, truly "just want to see the world burn" thus the comparison to the joker, even though i do agree his calculating manner is similar hannibal lecter though...
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Old 2012-11-16, 07:59   Link #34
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This show definitely don't pull their punch with grotesque displays. The last one was particularly frightening for me for reasons i can't quite pin down. Maybe it's the perverse nature of the murder or arrangement of the body.

I have to admit i was really creeped out during the last part.

Makishima feels like the genie in the lamp for twisted individuals, making their wish come true by providing tools for it. The nature of his action though doesn't feel like he's trying to break the society that sibyl system have create but more like he enjoys creating and watching these homicidal maniacs.
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Old 2012-11-16, 08:29   Link #35
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lotsa info episode, ginoza's father a latent criminal...wait is thought that already previous episodes....gruesome display, somehow all i can think about right now is that they dismembered Kayanon, that's one creepy all-girls school....i guess, i better sleep first and re-watch later.
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Old 2012-11-16, 08:43   Link #36
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Fantastic episode, really need to read that Shakespeare play now.

Actually Makishima reminds me a bit of Moriaty in the BBC Sherlock, who also happens to be behind all crimes. That being said Moriaty doesn't work for me because he is portrayed a bit too over the top. Makishima is captivating and hence it's easy for me to see why he would be able to seduce someone of an already weakened state or someone with latent criminality to commit murder. Of course I guess that is bad news for the enforcers.

I agree with the comparison of Makishima being similar in a darker way to Sybil System. How that will come out to play I have no idea.
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This show definitely don't pull their punch with grotesque displays. The last one was particularly frightening for me for reasons i can't quite pin down. Maybe it's the perverse nature of the murder or arrangement of the body.
If I'm ever asked again which anime series I would most like to see adapted into a Hollywood movie, it would be Psycho-Pass. For one simple reason: so that the sheer horror of this episode's murder would have an actual, visceral impact on me.

While I can discern and understand what makes the scene grotesque, the layer of animation distances me from the visual horror in front of me, to the extent that I actually feel nothing at all, despite comprehending the horror. Truth be told, animation rarely horrifies me. It's just not "real" enough.

Or maybe it's because my psycho-pass reading is trending a bit too high... Hmm...

Anyway, back to the point: Yes, the arrangement of the body is definitely one aspect of the horror. It alludes to an inverted crucifix, which invokes references to black magic and demonic evil. Then of course there is the macabre nature of the murder itself, involving dismemberment and mutilation of the poor girl's corpse, which invokes the repugnant act of violating another person, in life and in death.

Then there is the act of presenting the murder as a work of art, which makes the crime even more disturbing. To present violent death as something beautiful... the mind and our sense of moral propriety would automatically recoil in shock.

Worst of all, is the fact that the worker could not even tell he was looking at a real body. He was of course aware that it was creepy but he did not for a moment realise he was looking at something that was once alive.

Think on that for a moment. Then recall what Mido tried to do in the previous episode, to create avatars that represented an ideal so well that they become indistinguishable from their original forms.

This episode's murder served the same objective, to achieve ultimate fidelity to an absolute ideal. In ordinary situations, that may well be a noble goal. Under Makishima's hands, however, it becomes horribly twisted, like the poor girl crucified in reverse for all to gaze in awe.
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Old 2012-11-16, 09:33   Link #38
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While I can discern and understand what makes the scene grotesque, the layer of animation distances me from the visual horror in front of me, to the extent that I actually feel nothing at all, despite comprehending the horror. Truth be told, animation rarely horrifies me. It's just not "real" enough.
Same with me, there is something abstract about animation that it doesn't scare me. However I wouldn't want to see that in live action because I prefer not to watch something that will give me nightmares.

However the only exception to not being scared by animation would be the early scenes with Johan as a child in Monster. Something about the atmosphere of those scenes really freaked me out...but nothing else in anime ever has.
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Old 2012-11-16, 09:39   Link #39
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I don't see Makishima's lack of a "solid" motive as disappointing. I find the possibility that he's doing just for the kicks to be far more disturbing, far more terrifying. He works on a far higher level even than the serial killer from Se7en, for example, who killed based on some warped sense of justice.

The mistake, in the first place, would be to see Makishima as some idealistic revolutionary. He isn't. Rather, he's deliberately gaming the system for his own sadistic amusement. In a way, Makishima is doing exactly what the Sibyl System is doing. Whereas the Sibyl System matches people to jobs based on their innate apptitude, Makishima matches latent criminals with the means to commit murder.

It would seem, rather, that Makishima aims to be a Superman in the Nietzchean sense, that is, "Morality is for the weak, throw off your shackles and be the maximum of what you are meant to be". And in the world of Psycho-Pass, that means defying society's attempts to curb your psychology, and to indulge in whatever you want, morality be damned.
You're right that killers who kill just for kicks are more terrifying than most, since we can't really relate to their mindset. However, I find criminals with deeper motives more interesting. Personally, I'd like Makishima to be a mix of both: somebody who enjoys causing chaos but also has a clear goal in mind. These are the best kind of villains for me.

As of now, it's very hard to get a good grasp of Makishima's true nature. He is wrapped in mystery and could still be anything (I don't think we can rule out the possibility he is some sort of revolutionary yet, or at the very least an anarchist). I'm withholding judgment on him until we learn more. At any rate, he has definitely been a very interesting villain so far. Fascinating, even.

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Actually Makishima reminds me a bit of Moriaty in the BBC Sherlock, who also happens to be behind all crimes. That being said Moriaty doesn't work for me because he is portrayed a bit too over the top. Makishima is captivating and hence it's easy for me to see why he would be able to seduce someone of an already weakened state or someone with latent criminality to commit murder. Of course I guess that is bad news for the enforcers.
I was trying to remember who he reminded me of yesterday, and that was Moriarty from the new Sherlock series. They are both criminal mastermind who help others accomplish their deeds. That's probably where the similarities end though.
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Old 2012-11-16, 10:00   Link #40
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Does anyone here find the Chief more off putting than Miss KnK villian? Again, Psycho Pass inadvertantly creates more killers and makes more victims.

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However the only exception to not being scared by animation would be the early scenes with Johan as a child in Monster. Something about the atmosphere of those scenes really freaked me out...but nothing else in anime ever has.
That mansion and his whole upbringing has the Chernobyl ghost town feel to it. Finding that disturbing is understandable even to me...and I'm the kind who finds the concept of making art out of victims like in this ep acceptable so that's saying something...
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