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Old 2012-11-19, 15:23   Link #5501
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Up until the second GAT-X series appeared I doubt there were any anti-Phase Shift weapons deployed. I'm fully aware that the anime never really showed concrete evidence of anti-Phase Shift physical weaponry, but IIRC the side materials did show some mobile suits equipped with such.
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Old 2012-11-19, 15:28   Link #5502
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Up until the second GAT-X series appeared I doubt there were any anti-Phase Shift weapons deployed. I'm fully aware that the anime never really showed concrete evidence of anti-Phase Shift physical weaponry, but IIRC the side materials did show some mobile suits equipped with such.
True, but the EF invented Phase Shift, one would expect them to have a backup plan But oh well, as i said before, the Excalibur was suddenly able to project a beam at the tip that one time, even if it doesnt make sense and how silly it was, thats what happened.
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Old 2012-11-19, 15:41   Link #5503
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Yep, there’s a lot of “craziness” in Destiny. I guess we all can agree to that.

Oh, and talking about Phase-Shift Armor (PSA), does anybody have a theory on why it can give color (different colors for a single MS to boot!) to a metal object? The first time I saw it, I was like “WTF! ”. For me, it’s more plausible if the colors came from paint rather than a shield generator like PSA .
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Old 2012-11-19, 15:50   Link #5504
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True, but the EF invented Phase Shift, one would expect them to have a backup plan But oh well, as i said before, the Excalibur was suddenly able to project a beam at the tip that one time, even if it doesnt make sense and how silly it was, thats what happened.
To be fair, they'd just developed the Gundams and their technology; presumably they would've developed countermeasures against the weapons once they were delivered to Alaska like they were supposed to. The one commander for the Eurasia Federation even said as much, that countermeasures could be developed for use against Gundams once the Gundams were fully researched by the military.

And then, two years later with ZAFT making their own set of Gundams, it makes sense they'd also develop anti-Phase Shift countermeasures.
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Old 2012-11-19, 17:39   Link #5505
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That Impulse action figure impaling Freedom is pretty awesome. I wonder if there is one of the headless Freedom impaling Providence. About the actual Freedom vs Impulse man, I had no idea people felt like that. The arguments confuse me: Does the director hate Kira or not? Did Naomi Shindo really hate the show even though she reprised her role in every adaptation, film, video game? Was the Destiny the actual mobile suit supposed to destroy Freedom as hinted by the openings? Should I have reacted badly when I saw Quattro turning into that villain from the movie or when Jack decided to stay in the island as asked by Jacob? Why am I making so many questions?!

Ah forget about that. Now to the next comment.

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Yep, there’s a lot of “craziness” in Destiny. I guess we all can agree to that.

Oh, and talking about Phase-Shift Armor (PSA), does anybody have a theory on why it can give color (different colors for a single MS to boot!) to a metal object? The first time I saw it, I was like “WTF! ”. For me, it’s more plausible if the colors came from paint rather than a shield generator like PSA .
I think it's just there to give a hint when a mobile suit is functioning or not. For example, when Kira fought Waltfield all the viewers knew Kira was running out of energy when Strike lost its colors. The Impulse getting so different colors by wielding a sword? Merchandising of course

Although I never got how is it that when Cagalli piloted the Strike it was pink and when Kira piloted it in was blue. Does it detect the gender? In the manga Kira mentions some things about him improving the Strike after the Freedom was destroyed and take Cagalli's place but I don't think they ever mention that in the films.

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Old 2012-11-19, 19:33   Link #5506
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Maybe because the show lost all integrity after 32/33. Ep 34 through 38 were a complete joke. 1. Destroys became cannon fodder and a complete joke . 2. Brought back sting for no reason just to have him die again. 3. Adding Insult to Injury by replicating the defeat of Freedom with Destiny swapped in for Impulse, and this time against a Gouf with Athrun and Meyrin in it and you get the same scene. 4. Shinn victory against named pilots being handed to him until ep 42. 5. After ep 43.... Everything after that was such Quality and exciting, that it made me throw my computer out the window of how good it was.

Such Good Writing.

Anyway im past this now (not discussing any further). Umm.. One of the things I want in the Remaster is Lunamaria getting "Bright Slapped" for being a s*** and being so darn annoying. Shinn! Shinn! Shinn!.... Shinn! What a W****.

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Old 2012-11-19, 20:09   Link #5507
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That Impulse action figure impaling Freedom is pretty awesome. I wonder if there is one of the headless Freedom impaling Providence.
It’s not an action figure. They’re two separate model kits. When you buy a kit, you have to assemble the tiny parts to form the Mobile Suit. After it’s done, you can pose it however you want. What you saw in the picture are Freedom and Impulse Master Grade kits posing together.



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Although I never got how is it that when Cagalli piloted the Strike it was pink and when Kira piloted it in was blue. Does it detect the gender? In the manga Kira mentions some things about him improving the Strike after the Freedom was destroyed and take Cagalli's place but I don't think they ever mention that in the films.
Yep, you just pointed one of the "WTF" thing about PSA. Not only it can give different colors within one MS (Red, Blue, & Yellow for Strike), it can also give different colors to two MS of the same type (Strike & Strike Rouge, Black Gaia & Orange Gaia, and Impulse variation). Yes, I know it’s all for merchandise, but within the show, I can only say “Wow, that PSA is really creative in generating & choosing colors for the MSs
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Old 2012-11-19, 20:27   Link #5508
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In defense of the Strike Rouge, the coloration change wasn't because of the Phase Shift armor itself, but because of an additional part to its power supply that caused the discoloration.
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Old 2012-11-19, 20:47   Link #5509
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In defense of the Strike Rouge, the coloration change wasn't because of the Phase Shift armor itself, but because of an additional part to its power supply that caused the discoloration.
And Impulse’s different colors is due to its different armaments. Yeah, you can come up with in-show reasons like that. Still, for me, the idea of a shield generator giving different colors to metals are so “out there” along with time-travels and space-warp system .
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Old 2012-11-19, 21:19   Link #5510
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Ep 34 is like a video game:

Shinn is the Character, Fukuda or whatever is the player, and Kira is the boss. See, Shinn couldn't beat kira or land a hit in prior to episode 34. And he was getting so f****** frustrated. He just couldn't beat this boss. So he goes back and plays it on easy mode. So he eventually once again confronts the boss episode 34...... but, "but" this time he got cheat codes. Let's see; back, back, square, triangle, back, square input cheat code------> "Magically grow a beam at the tip of a Metal Object that otherwise can't pierce Phase Shift". Shin after defeating Freedom.... "Fukuda I did it, thank you for cheating for me."
And I thought Kira wasn't the only pilot with the Game Shark, and he forgot to turn his on.

You know what they say: "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying!"
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Old 2012-11-19, 22:27   Link #5511
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Anyway im past this now (not discussing any further). Umm.. One of the things I want in the Remaster is Lunamaria getting "Bright Slapped" for being a s*** and being so darn annoying. Shinn! Shinn! Shinn!.... Shinn! What a W****.
It may be just my failed Spider Senses, but I'm starting to think that you don't like Destiny. You should voice your opinions more often (and keep it cool for a friendly forum).

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In defense of the Strike Rouge, the coloration change wasn't because of the Phase Shift armor itself, but because of an additional part to its power supply that caused the discoloration.
Then I guess the manga did it right by having Kira work on the Strike Rouge.

About Kira and Shinn remember they are both aces from their sides. Kira had already taken down lots of ZAFTs mobile suits in SEED, and in Destiny he used once most of Freedom's weapons to take down most of Earth Alliance and ZAFT's mobile suits in a single fight. Athrun had already stated Shinn was ZAFT's ace which was more obvious when he nailed Kira's fighting style to defeat him (although Kira was kind of escaping rather than fighting). It's too bad we never see the full Freedom vs Destiny since in the first Shinn had to retreat and in the second they were even until Rey ordered Shinn to take Athrun.

About the Destiny, how come his wings are purple?
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Old 2012-11-20, 02:11   Link #5512
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And I thought Kira wasn't the only pilot with the Game Shark, and he forgot to turn his on.

You know what they say: "If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying!"
But Shinn didn't cheat, he doesn't need that to beat a washed up has been like Destiny Kira. The fight was completely one sided, all Kira could managed was using his Plot Armor to escape a near death situation and pretend that the Freedom getting smashed was what he planned all along.

Shame really, he used to love that thing to death in SEED and wouldn't even let anyone touch it but in Destiny he doesn't even blink or shed a tear for it.
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Old 2012-11-20, 04:36   Link #5513
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Shinn seem to have lost the cheat codes after Ep 34. And then down the line, I think he lost Destiny's move input booklet.... But think god he remembered the "Shining Finger" and " Destiny Stab". Those Cool.

Hmm.... Eventhough it was a stalemate, Shinn never landed a single hit on SF, while Kira got in multiple non-lethal hits against Destiny. I guess "Shining Finger" and "Destiny Stab" only get you so far.
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Old 2012-11-20, 04:51   Link #5514
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All this talk of cheating made me wonder what cheat Shin was using. Then it hit me. Unlimited lives.
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Old 2012-11-20, 09:29   Link #5515
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In defense of the Strike Rouge, the coloration change wasn't because of the Phase Shift armor itself, but because of an additional part to its power supply that caused the discoloration.
I always thought the difference in color between Kira's Strike and Strike Rouge was due to the PS voltage specs? Remember when Kira borrowed the Rouge to save the Eternal before collecting the Strike Freedom? He had the Rouge's PS voltage reconfigured and it returned to the white, blue and red of Strike....

I think the amount of voltage can be regulated into each part hence increasing/decreasing the PS defense as preferred by the pilot.
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Old 2012-11-20, 10:34   Link #5516
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All this talk of cheating made me wonder what cheat Shin was using. Then it hit me. Unlimited lives.
Kira: Pfft, big deal. I got auto-aim, aimbot for my DRAGOONs, invincibility, and powers to persuade others into joining my side. Do you know what God Mode is in the video game, Rise of the Triad? This is what my Gundams are capable of.
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Old 2012-11-20, 12:08   Link #5517
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Kira: Pfft, big deal. I got auto-aim, aimbot for my DRAGOONs, invincibility, and powers to persuade others into joining my side. Do you know what God Mode is in the video game, Rise of the Triad? This is what my Gundams are capable of.
For a second it was kinda of believable (and possibly could of been believable) if it wasn't for that.... Then it just through everything else out the window, cause that is stretching.

Moving this in another direction. They should paste the Animation of SF, IJ, Legend, Destiny from the (Final Plus opening) into the final fight, that alone will make it a 100x better.

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Old 2012-11-20, 15:57   Link #5518
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"Kira: Pfft, big deal. I got auto-aim, aimbot for my DRAGOONs"
An AI in a Gundam? ...They could make something like Wing Zero?! Aimbot? So it doesn't require that special awareness that everybody talked about?

I had forgotten bout this. The manga's ending is kind of different.



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Old 2012-11-21, 04:34   Link #5519
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Manga is non-canon. The only endings that are acknowledged are Original, Special, and now HD Remaster.
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Old 2012-11-24, 19:31   Link #5520
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Does anyone know if T.M Revolution's insert theme "vestige" have an official instrumental version? The only time I saw it was in the English dubbed episodes of SEED Destiny apparently due to copyright issues. However, I really liked it and have been looking for it. Super Robot Wars Z has an instrumental version but the sound was modified and doesn't sound exactly like "vestige".
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