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Old 2012-11-25, 22:00   Link #1041
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On another front, I've read speculations that Kud was fully aware of the truth of the world by the end of her route, and that she was actually offering to sacrifice herself so that the rest of the Little Busters may live in the real world.

It also makes me wonder about Kurugaya's true end. The way I see it, Kurugaya's true End and Kud Wafter takes place in alternative outcomes after the events of Refrain. I think the problem, and the Fridge Horror is, depending on how much memories those girls retained of Rin in the Dream World after waking, there's alot of hearts that will be broken.
After finishing Refrain Kud gets some additional scenes, and a new end (at least in EX), and there are a few scenes with her talking with Kyousuke like she had noticed something. About her route, my personal theory is that the whole cave thing was something like an allegory for her emotional situation, and what was really happening was that ending unlocked after Refrain.

And I don't think the characters remember much of the concrete events. Riki may have said as much in Sasami (though I don't quite remember now -even if I should; it wasn't so long ago I read it), and, well, that's the whole point of Kurugaya's: that she wouldn't remember her relationship with Riki.


As for whether Kanata was real or not, somebody should count the lights before and after finishing Haruka's.
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Old 2012-11-25, 22:05   Link #1042
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After finishing Refrain Kud gets some additional scenes, and a new end (at least in EX), and there are a few scenes with her talking with Kyousuke like she had noticed something. About her route, my personal theory is that the whole cave thing was something like an allegory for her emotional situation, and what was really happening was that ending unlocked after Refrain.

And I don't think the characters remember much of the concrete events. Riki may have said as much in Sasami (though I don't quite remember now -even if I should; it wasn't so long ago I read it), and, well, that's the whole point of Kurugaya's: that she wouldn't remember her relationship with Riki.
The Dream is Collapsing.....

Someone should swap out the LB soundtrack for the Inception soundtrack. I wonder how different the story would be like.

But does Kud Wafer suggest that if the Accident didn't happen, then it that summer, Riki would end up with Kud?

I also wonder how the story might have been like had Kud not been a loli, but a blonde, foreign looking Bishoujo of Kurugaya's height, but with Kud's personality. Would she have been less popular, or perhaps even more popular?

Hmm, speculating on Fan-art between a Tall Blonde Kud in white, contrasted with a Dark Kurugaya dressed in black, staring at one another with a Chibi Riki cowering in the middle.
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Old 2012-11-25, 22:28   Link #1043
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This is speculation from someone who has only played the original (sadly my Japanese is so bad the PC points and laughs at me whenever I open Ex) but I believe only the Original LB group remembers everything perfectly. Kurugaya might still have some recollections, enough that she is able to piece things together and lead to the True Ending.

Then again this is also speculation from someone that will forever defend the RikixAnego final pairing (basically her True Ending) is canon and absolute...

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The Dream is Collapsing.....

Someone should swap out the LB soundtrack for the Inception soundtrack. I wonder how different the story would be like.

But does Kud Wafer suggest that if the Accident didn't happen, then it that summer, Riki would end up with Kud?

I also wonder how the story might have been like had Kud not been a loli, but a blonde, foreign looking Bishoujo of Kurugaya's height, but with Kud's personality. Would she have been less popular, or perhaps even more popular?

Hmm, speculating on Fan-art between a Tall Blonde Kud in white, contrasted with a Dark Kurugaya dressed in black, staring at one another with a Chibi Riki cowering in the middle.
Kud Wafter is not canon as far as I'm aware.

And Kud is famous mostly because of her massive amounts of Moe...give her a sexy body and take way her Waffuuuu~ mindset and she certainly would not be as famous as she is now.
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Old 2012-11-26, 07:44   Link #1044
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I understand Kud Wafter as a possible continuation of all the events of Little Busters!, no more or less canon than any route is in conventional VNs. After the false world is over, Riki may end up with Rin of not; if not, he's open to end up with any of the heroines (or Sasami )
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Old 2012-11-26, 11:11   Link #1045
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I understand Kud Wafter as a possible continuation of all the events of Little Busters!, no more or less canon than any route is in conventional VNs. After the false world is over, Riki may end up with Rin of not; if not, he's open to end up with any of the heroines (or Sasami )
Like Anego...because he ends up with Anego...Anego's the true final girl...Anego...
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Old 2012-11-26, 11:15   Link #1046
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Oh god. Last episode just made me see the true chemistry between Anego and Riki... a chemistry he doesn't share with the other girls.

And Anego is perfect. Just perfect.

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Old 2012-11-26, 11:26   Link #1047
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What are you people talking about? >.> We all know Riki is way to BadAss to just end up with Liz. He ends up with all of them, in one big happy harem (with Rin as the favorite wife, of course).
It's actually more likely that everyone ends up as part of Anego's harem rather than Riki's :I
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Old 2012-11-26, 12:35   Link #1048
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It's actually more likely that everyone ends up as part of Anego's harem rather than Riki's :I
I can see most of the girl but don't see Mio in her harem
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Old 2012-11-26, 16:05   Link #1049
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All Kurugaya needs is to promise her some Riki X Kyosuke action and Mio'll come. As to making Riki and Kyosuke do this, well, Riki is already part of her harem, she just needs to convince Kyosuke - and that's not impossible.
Considering Kyousuke is scared shitless of her (like Kengo and Masato) "convincing" him wouldn't be too hard.

Riki...well he's already very much in love with Kyousuke...
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Old 2012-11-26, 18:49   Link #1050
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Considering Kyousuke is scared shitless of her (like Kengo and Masato) "convincing" him wouldn't be too hard.

Riki...well he's already very much in love with Kyousuke...
I remember that flashback all of a sudden.

Hopefully, JC will not ruin it.
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Old 2012-11-26, 19:00   Link #1051
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I really do wanna see Anego with a minigun animated in Kyousuke's flashback xD
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Old 2012-11-26, 21:20   Link #1052
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Hmm was it Kango's flashback?
But yea the whole hunter hunter operation was pretty good
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Old 2012-11-26, 22:32   Link #1053
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Given the anime record with the comedy scenes I wouldn't hold my breath; but before that, will the love love hunters scene be even adapted? How would the whole of Kurugaya's route be even adapted? If they take the same approach as Komari's with the rest, the romance aspect will not be played out; but if you take the romance off Kurugaya's you are left with basically nothing.
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Old 2012-11-27, 02:15   Link #1054
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Masato remembered kicks.
Kengo remembered the katana.
Kyousuke remembered a minigun.

And they will probably do a very short route for her with the loops being made because she doesn't want to leave her friends rather than not wanting to leave Riki...which is BS and will ruin her route completely...so probably:

1 episode for the bullying and date.
1 episode for the loops.
Love Love Hunters not included.
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Old 2012-12-06, 09:03   Link #1055
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Ended up playing Kud's route again because I love her too much...and ultimately the one serious problem I had with her route.

Who the heck managed that space shuttle, Umbrella corp?
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Old 2012-12-06, 10:29   Link #1056
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Ended up playing Kud's route again because I love her too much...and ultimately the one serious problem I had with her route.

Who the heck managed that space shuttle, Umbrella corp?
It was all a secret test of the T-virus!
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Old 2012-12-27, 05:01   Link #1057
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Well, I went and finished Refrain because the anime was so painstakingly slow. In any case, Refrain was really straight-forward but it really tugged at the right strings. One can never hate a story about friendship.

If there was one thing I felt was missing, it was more brother-sister quarrels/conversations between Rin and Kyousuke. I was expecting her to call him onii-chan at least once too, darn. In any series, the one thing that trumps a side couple for me is a very fun/interactive sibling dynamic.

Didn't particularly feel to involved regarding Riki and the different romances (Haruka was nice though) since I found Kyousuke more endearing as a character.

As for the anime, as long they do Refrain justice and somehow get the Love-Love Hunters in there somehow, I'll be a happy viewer.
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Old 2013-01-07, 16:05   Link #1058
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I'm about to finish Rin 2 and I'm preparing myself for Refrain. How many hours should I be prepared to spend if I pretend to finish it in one go? Refrain I mean.
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Old 2013-01-09, 08:11   Link #1059
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I'm about to finish Rin 2 and I'm preparing myself for Refrain. How many hours should I be prepared to spend if I pretend to finish it in one go? Refrain I mean.
Took me like 8 hrs I think.
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It's just a bit longer than one of the other girl's routes really...
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