[MANGA] Bleach Weekly Chapter 500+ Discussion

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Bassoonicmayhem

I would have to agree that bring back the Fullbringers was the biggest shock of all. I recognized the back of the ‘clock/time control’ Fullbringer. I was pretty sure he got sliced in half, quite easily I might add by Kenpachi, but I have to remember that most characters in this series don't die. Even if they are almost completely forgettable. Hopefully this time around he will be stronger instead of cannon fodder.

At first I was shocked. But then I realized that these guys could actually afford to get killed without getting completely cut from the plot. Afterall, since they were alive during the fullbring arc, their death would only mean they can continue to remain relevant as souls. Though it'll be interesting to see what excuse Kubo provides to explain how they'll retain their fullbring abilities (if at all). I mean, one would think that they should've lost their hollow-based abilities upon having their souls be cleansed at the time of their death.

[The Small One]

I just wonder why the ex-fullbringers are training for SS.
Okay, they may be dead now, but weren't they enemies of SS? IMHO it would make more sense for them trying to become allies of the Vandenreich.

[Nvis]

Wait, so the "Doll House" Fullbringer girl didn't die? It seemed like she tried to suicide after she was treated.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Nvis

Wait, so the "Doll House" Fullbringer girl didn't die? It seemed like she tried to suicide after she was treated.

If you look closely at the final page of chapter 479, a ring appears under her foot as she steps off the edge. In hindsight, this means that she actually just ended up using the fullbring equivalent to shunpo or sonido (Kangen Hikari/Bringer Light) to leave the area. She didn't jump off the edge of the building to her death afterall.

[Alchemist007]

Cameo as hell chap. We knew about Grimm already but I'm also glad Tsuku and Mr.Shoe Salesman Ginjou are back.

[Linkark07]

I don't remember a lot of Bleach's elements about the dead. Yeah, I remember that people that die (as long as a Shinigami guided you) will go to SS. But, now, can Shuu-chan and Ginjo become Shinigami or they will stay forever in the Rukongai?

[Alchemist007]

Tsukushima Shuukurou.

[Expendable GM Pilot]

Why would Ichigo going up to meet the Spirit King make Kukaku's Uncle sad? Have we met this Uncle person before?

[Chiaki_chan]

Originally Posted by Expendable GM Pilot

Why would Ichigo going up to meet the Spirit King make Kukaku's Uncle sad? Have we met this Uncle person before?

you know I think everyone will agree with me when I say that the uncle Kukaku and Ganjou is Ishin

[Black-Cat-Sama]

Originally Posted by The Small One

I just wonder why the ex-fullbringers are training for SS.
Okay, they may be dead now, but weren't they enemies of SS? IMHO it would make more sense for them trying to become allies of the Vandenreich.

Well, correct me if I'm wrong but..., souls in Bleach don't have memories of when they were alive...or they shouldn't. We saw Rukia and Renji as children and they had only talked about life from when they were children in Rukongai, poor people at that.

Of course the counter to that is the boy from episode 4/chapter 6 or so...the boy that was sealed in a parrot. When the group arrived in Soul Society the first time, Chad met the boy again and the boy remembered him... so... hm.

I'm more irked that the Fullbringers still have their clothes from when they were alive...it's as if they never left =P

[kiki san]

This time Ginjou will be the last man standing.

[Poetic Justice]

Knwoing Kubo Ishida will probably appear during the final battle.

[sayde]

Originally Posted by Black-Cat-Sama

We saw Rukia and Renji as children and they had only talked about life from when they were children in Rukongai, poor people at that.

I don't recall anyone ever claiming that Souls sent to SS didn't retain their memories from their time in the living world. Rukia was killed and sent to SS as a baby. So her memories would naturally only be limited to her time in the afterlife since she was brought up there for as long as she could remember. And we don't know enough about Renji's life (prior to the point where he met Rukia) to know roughly how old he was before he arrived in Soul Society. He could've been a baby as well when it happened. But even if Renji did have some memories of his time in the living world, we weren't really shown a situation where he'd necessarily need to talk about it.

So to sum it up, the reason why we've only seen Renji and Rukia talk about their life from when they were children in Rukongai is likely because they either were too young to remember their time in the living realm, their lives in the living realm were to irrelevant to talk about, or a combination of both.

Still, having stated that, I stand open for correction.

[Bassoonicmayhem]

Originally Posted by sayde

At first I was shocked. But then I realized that these guys could actually afford to get killed without getting completely cut from the plot. Afterall, since they were alive during the fullbring arc, their death would only mean they can continue to remain relevant as souls.

I realized that too. Which has explained a nagging questioned of mine—what would happen to Ichigo if he actually died—he just end back up in SS.

Though it'll be interesting to see what excuse Kubo provides to explain how they'll retain their fullbring abilities (if at all). I mean, one would think that they should've lost their hollow-based abilities upon having their souls be cleansed at the time of their death.

I could see them somehow using their hollow-powers. It’s not like their hollow side is completely removed because of a kanso. It’s just cleansed. I think that if they trained hard enough and concentrated on that aspect of their soul, they could probably reawaken that side of their being—though their powers would probably be different, if not enhanced for plot convenience later on. I'm not saying I can explain this well, and I doubt when the time comes Kubo will either. It will probably be one of those moments we'll just have to accept, shrug off, and nit pick something else that's little more offensive and trollish, granted if there is one at the time.

[Expendable GM Pilot]

Originally Posted by Chiaki_chan

you know I think everyone will agree with me when I say that the uncle Kukaku and Ganjou is Ishin

Even if he is Isshin why would Ichigo meeting the Spirit King make him sad. Shouldn't meeting the Spirit King be an honor?

[peachfuzz]

Should Ichigo be happy meeting the Spirit King but I'm getting the feeling it will suck

[Chiaki_chan]

Originally Posted by Expendable GM Pilot

Even if he is Isshin why would Ichigo meeting the Spirit King make him sad. Shouldn't meeting the Spirit King be an honor?

I really do not know but for the Ishin made ​​that their uncle would I think that's it, if not then I do not see who else Kukaku could speak...

[Endscape]

Originally Posted by sayde

I don't recall anyone ever claiming that Souls sent to SS didn't retain their memories from their time in the living world. Rukia was killed and sent to SS as a baby. So her memories would naturally only be limited to her time in the afterlife since she was brought up there for as long as she could remember. And we don't know enough about Renji's life (prior to the point where he met Rukia) to know roughly how old he was before he arrived in Soul Society. He could've been a baby as well when it happened. But even if Renji did have some memories of his time in the living world, we weren't really shown a situation where he'd necessarily need to talk about it.

So to sum it up, the reason why we've only seen Renji and Rukia talk about their life from when they were children in Rukongai is likely because they either were too young to remember their time in the living realm, their lives in the living realm were to irrelevant to talk about, or a combination of both.

Still, having stated that, I stand open for correction.

That parakeet that Chad saved remembered him, so yes souls can remember their time in the living world.

As for the fullbringers, I suppose they'll have zanpakutou that match their Fullbrings.

[The Small One]

Originally Posted by Expendable GM Pilot

Even if he is Isshin why would Ichigo meeting the Spirit King make him sad. Shouldn't meeting the Spirit King be an honor?

Actually, when this one royal guard appeared with all those wounded to transfer them to the palace, I had this bad impression, that maybe the spirit king lives by eating souls of powerful Shinigami and that's what they were needed for.

But I'm really interessted to see how the story goes on now.

[archer_shirou01]

Originally Posted by Expendable GM Pilot

Even if he is Isshin why would Ichigo meeting the Spirit King make him sad. Shouldn't meeting the Spirit King be an honor?

"uncle" Isshin would be sad because he prolly doesnt want Ichigo to fight and risk his life anymore and going to the Royal Palace will only mean more hardships for Ichigo .And he prolly doesnt want another of his son to die just like Kaien (considering that their relatives and such)
Thats why Urahara told him to do what he wants and dont let others influence his decision so he wont regret it in the future .

Or maybe because "uncle" Isshin had some bad memories being one of the Royal Guards(or even much higher ranking than that , if there ever is one )

And the Soul King could really be a loli or the likes , considering the attitudes/traits of those that protect him/her (the Royal Guards) are quite unique and messed up .

And probably why those dead fullbringers are training in SS , is because maybe their memories got wiped out because they got killed by Soul Reapers(as an effect of being killed by those zanpakutos).