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Old 2012-11-29, 06:52   Link #1
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Chinese police plan to board vessels in disputed seas

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/1...8AS0GF20121129

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Chinese police plan to board vessels in disputed seas


By Ben Blanchard and Manuel Mogato

BEIJING/MANILA | Thu Nov 29, 2012 11:24am GMT

BEIJING/MANILA (Reuters) - Police in the southern Chinese island province of Hainan will board and search ships which illegally enter what China considers its territory in the disputed South China Sea, state media said on Thursday, a move likely to add to tensions.

The South China Sea is Asia's biggest potential military trouble spot with several Asian countries claiming sovereignty over waters believed to be rich in oil and gas.


The shortest route between the Pacific and Indian Oceans, it has some of the world's busiest shipping lanes. More than half the globe's oil tanker traffic passes through it.

New rules, which come into effect on January 1, will allow Hainan police to board and seize control of foreign ships which "illegally enter" Chinese waters and order them to change course or stop sailing, the official China Daily reported.

"Activities such as entering the island province's waters without permission, damaging coastal defence facilities and engaging in publicity that threatens national security are illegal," the English-language newspaper said.

"If foreign ships or crew members violate regulations, Hainan police have the right to take over the ships or their communication systems, under the revised regulations," it added.

Hainan, which likes to style itself as China's answer to Hawaii or Bali with its resorts and beaches, is the province responsible for administering the country's extensive claims to the myriad islets and atolls in the South China Sea.

The Philippines, which also has claims to parts of the South China Sea, said the move could violate international maritime laws allowing the right of passage and accused Beijing of trying to escalate tension in the area.

"That cannot be. That's a violation of the international passage (rights)," Marine Lieutenant-General Juancho Sabban, commander of military forces in the western Philippines, which covers the contested area.

"That's too much. While we are exerting all peaceful means, that is what they are doing."

Raul Hernandez, a spokesman for the Philippines' foreign ministry, was more circumspect, saying the government was still checking the reports.

"If it is true, it will pose a concern to the Philippines and the international community," he added.

Rex Robles, a retired senior Philippine naval officer and security analyst, said China was just testing the reaction.

"Those warnings are not directed at us. They might be trying to find out how far the United States would react because this could affect freedom of navigation in one of the busiest sea lanes in the world. If this is an official policy announced by Beijing, this is very serious and a cause of concern."


China has said in the past it will respect freedom of navigation in the South China Sea and that it has no intention of trying to restrict access to the area's vital shipping lanes for legitimate vessels.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Hong Lei said his government, which says it will brook no outside interference in its sovereignty claims, was perfectly within its rights in allowing police to board vessels in the South China Sea.

"Management of the seas according to the law is a sovereign nation's legitimate right," he told a daily news briefing.

China's assertion of sovereignty over the stretch of water off its south coast and to the east of mainland Southeast Asia has set it directly against Vietnam and the Philippines, while Brunei, Taiwan and Malaysia also lay claim to parts.

China occasionally detains fishermen, mostly from Vietnam, whom it accuses of operating illegally in Chinese waters, though generally frees them quite quickly.

The China Daily said that the government will also send new maritime surveillance ships to join the fleet responsible for patrolling the South China Sea.

The stakes have risen in the area as the U.S. military shifts its attention and resources back to Asia, emboldening its long-time ally the Philippines and former foe Vietnam to take a tougher stance against Beijing.

China has further angered the Philippines and Vietnam by issuing new passports showing a map depicting China's claims to the disputed waters.
They can't be this stupid.

The US would send warship fleets there to stop that shit.
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Old 2012-11-29, 06:59   Link #2
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PRC is just good in provoking but is too scared to actually fire the first shot cause she knew the World ain't stupid.
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Old 2012-11-29, 07:27   Link #3
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If they are stupid enough to actually go ahead and do this, they'd just be inviting other countries to send their navies to the area, especially the US.
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Old 2012-11-29, 07:45   Link #4
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Reminds me of a line in a Chinese movie...

"Divided then united... United then Divided"

...guess PRC wants to be divided again...
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Old 2012-11-29, 08:06   Link #5
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Asides from provoking and to show its maritime power, the Chinese military wants to demonstrate that unilaterally it can do things their way what the Americans could not.
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Old 2012-11-29, 08:34   Link #6
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Asides from provoking and to show its maritime power, the Chinese military wants to demonstrate that unilaterally it can do things their way what the Americans could not.
It'll just make the US send a carrier group or two.

1/3 of the world's shipping passes through the South China Sea.

While the US is saying they are not taking sides, why do you think the US is shifting most its fleet to the Asia Pacific.

US economic interests are involved.
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Old 2012-11-29, 09:33   Link #7
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The bad news, looks like WWIII is looming near.

The good news, it is far, far away from home (for me).
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Old 2012-11-29, 09:41   Link #8
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In a related news, the penis-shaped tower in Xicheng district of Beijing was reported to have grown 15 feet taller.

Meanwhile, the penis-shaped tower in Washington is expected to gain height in the upcoming months.


No really.
International dick-waving contest knows no end.
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Old 2012-11-29, 10:31   Link #9
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I love to see what happen if they board a Russia navy. If they tried a serious mistake boarding a commercial vessel this is a act of war.
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Old 2012-11-29, 13:00   Link #10
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Sounds like they intend to stop fishing vessels and probably other ships engaging in economic activites "illegally" in their waters. This does not mean stopping shipping, as those are just passing through. Things like Oil speculation, and mineral collection, fishing, even scientific observation would be boarded I would think.

And certainly any patrol vessels of other powers.
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Old 2012-11-29, 13:09   Link #11
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This does not mean stopping shipping, as those are just passing through.
Who knows, if they suspect said ship cargo is weapons or weapon technology from Japan to other countries in the area they might attempt it.
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Old 2012-11-29, 14:04   Link #12
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i seriously doubt China would go through with this. This proclamation is for domestic consumption. At best they will haress some fisherman, no different then now.

The real worry is if some idiot on the ground actually provoke something big.
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The real worry is if some idiot on the ground actually provoke something big.
It has already happened in the air, I see no reason why it would not happen in the sea.
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It has already happened in the air, I see no reason why it would not happen in the sea.
that has nothing to do with the current event.

That incident was just a attempt to test Bush jr and to get their hands on sophisticate electronic equipment.
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Old 2012-11-29, 14:45   Link #15
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It has already happened in the air, I see no reason why it would not happen in the sea.
You do remember that the US bombed Chinese embassy just a couple of years before that, right? Besides, I don't remember there is anything animosity in south China sea back in those days. Why is a US spy plane going so near to China? It feels like the a hooligan logic of "I am going to put my fist a inch from your face, and if you try to brush it away, you are starting a fight".
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Old 2012-11-29, 14:51   Link #16
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You do remember that the US bombed Chinese embassy just a couple of years before that, right?
You make it seem like using an outdated map (yes, it was stupid) was a deliberate action to attack PRC.


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Why is a US spy plane going so near to China?
Why not? It was certainly far from the coast (110 km), which is international air space and thus any country actually has the right to have spy planes around if they wished so. I'm pretty sure that explains why the PRC stole secrets from Los Alamos National Laboratory and other actions before the spy plane incident happened.
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PRC: "US is spying on us!"

US: "and you hippos' didn't?"
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Old 2012-11-29, 16:27   Link #18
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Asides from provoking and to show its maritime power, the Chinese military wants to demonstrate that unilaterally it can do things their way what the Americans could not.
Well, with the current economic crisis, they already own half the US, so I wonder if it's in the US financial interest to act
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Free movement of goods has usually been a standard policy for the US Government since the sort of war with France in 1799 and sending the new (and tiny) US Navy to deal with the Barbary Pirates in the European's backyard. And while I don't think we ahve nearly as large a merchant fleet as we use to have (since so many companies are flagging ship in third world countries to get around legal issues), open trade is usually a big thing outside of war and embargos
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Well, with the current economic crisis, they already own half the US, so I wonder if it's in the US financial interest to act
They could use the war to cancel the debt as war damages?
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