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Old 2012-11-30, 10:19   Link #561
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I'm loving this series. Probably the best of the season (yes, even better than chuunibyou). Also, the use of arranged Beethoven's Tempest sonata (my favourite of his 32 great sonatas) for full orchestra gave me chills. How appropriate, the Tempest sonata for the revelation of the Tempest play.

Yoshino being badass and always seems to have something up his sleeve, even if he is thinking on his feet and finding out stuff for the first time.
Mahiro seems to be a tragic hero in a sense. He has many qualities of a great person (very loyal as well-to Yoshino at least), but in this case, he has a flaw, and that flaw is his thirst for revenge, even endangering the world for it.
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Old 2012-11-30, 10:45   Link #562
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Someone (Arya was it?) called it last week saying Aika might be from the future and that certainly looks like a good possibility after watching this week's episode.
Based on what? Quoting Shakespeare does not make one from the future.
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Old 2012-11-30, 11:12   Link #563
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Based on what? Quoting Shakespeare does not make one from the future.
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...03#post4447803
I just like this theory of her being from the future and thus leading to everything till now after her death.
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Old 2012-11-30, 11:24   Link #564
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I just like this theory of her being from the future and thus leading to everything till now after her death.
Still don't see how that makes her from the future. There's a large assumption there that she "knows" what will happen. Just because Yoshino remembers things she happened to say, which were merely memorable quotes from Shakespeare, during times when they would be applicable, does not make it knowledge from the future.

The theory just made a lot of assumptions but didn't really support them with anything beyond conjecture based on more assumptions.
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Old 2012-11-30, 12:16   Link #565
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Thanks Kakkou and Cosmic Eagle!

My only letdown was no Yoshino megane during the flashback.
And poor Samon, he just wants to save the world in his own way but 2 weird kids arguing over a dead girl's boyfriend are ruining his plans
Well at least we can enjoy his faces though I find him quite cute (especially with a ponytail like in the Xmas scan)
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Old 2012-11-30, 12:28   Link #566
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Is it me or....isn't too much of a coincidence, that aika is quoting tempest, the story about magician stranded on the island (aika herself propose the story) and if I don't mistaken the character is similar to the current situation we got right now... Even yoshino is confused...

Aika is most definitely a magi...and a strong one as well...
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Old 2012-11-30, 13:04   Link #567
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Is it me or....isn't too much of a coincidence, that aika is quoting tempest, the story about magician stranded on the island (aika herself propose the story) and if I don't mistaken the character is similar to the current situation we got right now... Even yoshino is confused...

Aika is most definitely a magi...and a strong one as well...
I'm not too sure about that, but i do think she knows a lot more than either Yoshino or Mahiro.

That leads me to wonder if she possibly killed herself to start all of this.
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Old 2012-11-30, 13:38   Link #568
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oh gee..... supposedly a serious situation but the fact that Mahiro got swayed by the mere fact of who Aika's boyfriend is is just hilarious. It's so ridiculous that it's hilarious....... a bit of a twisted humour since Aika is already dead and the world is about to be destroyed... so weird.
All he's done is accept to hear Yoshino out while they wait. He's not that swayed. It's just he never cared which side he was on to start with, as long as he got to kill Aika's murderer.
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Old 2012-11-30, 13:43   Link #569
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Well the killer was part of the Kusaribe clan according to Hakaze's magic. This does not exclude the possibility of Hakaze actually being in the clan and killing herself, however improbable that may be.
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Old 2012-11-30, 13:48   Link #570
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Old 2012-11-30, 14:20   Link #571
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I saw another christmas image but with the magician clan guys instead, Samon, Jun, and Natsumura.

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Is it me or....isn't too much of a coincidence, that aika is quoting tempest, the story about magician stranded on the island (aika herself propose the story) and if I don't mistaken the character is similar to the current situation we got right now... Even yoshino is confused...

Aika is most definitely a magi...and a strong one as well...
I think that's part of why the series is interesting for me. Lots of potential for speculation because the series likes to hint at lots of possibilities.

Also I noticed they left out and changed a little bit of the conversation from the manga when Yoshino was bringing up the boyfriend, nothing major.
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Old 2012-11-30, 14:20   Link #572
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Old 2012-11-30, 14:24   Link #573
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I saw another christmas image but with the magician clan guys instead, Samon, Jun, and Natsumura.
You mean this?
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Zetsuen no Tempest male cast are already celebrating Christmas in the December issue of Otomedia
The Kusaribe guys look so funny. And Samon always looks so cute with his ponytail.
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Old 2012-11-30, 14:32   Link #574
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You mean this?
Well my fault for not reading the thread thoroughly and yeah that's the one I saw.
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Old 2012-11-30, 19:11   Link #575
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Still don't see how that makes her from the future. There's a large assumption there that she "knows" what will happen. Just because Yoshino remembers things she happened to say, which were merely memorable quotes from Shakespeare, during times when they would be applicable, does not make it knowledge from the future.

The theory just made a lot of assumptions but didn't really support them with anything beyond conjecture based on more assumptions.
eheh that was more a possibility more than a theory. Just, why not? In all honesty I'm not expecting the show will go that far, because so far the magic power seems to have well defined boundaries and time travels go far beyond that boundaries.

Anyways, my idea was not coming from the Shakespeare's quotes, (even because sadly it's hard to catch them all for me) even if they are a bit suspicious given what it's happening. Besides that, since everything seems to turn all around Aika, we can count more than one coincidence along the road.
  • The strange accident Mashiro had back in his childhood (apparently not related to her)
  • Her strange behavior toward his brother, slightly hinted, that doesn't fit your usual sister-like behavior. More if you count that kind of brother who is clearly in love with you and it's a jealous-freak And when did she start dating his best friend?
  • Her apparently normal relationship with his best friend, that it was normal.
    So, why did she stopped in that sunflowers field?
    So, why inviting him to their holidays house at the beach, with the risk to be found out by her freak brother? On the other hand, what was her consideration for her brother and his feelings bringing home her lover?
  • What I have just wrote above seems to not fit well with her concern about their (boys) friendship; she said to Yoshino to stay on his brother side, and to Mashiro to treat Yoshino well.
Nothing abnormal, I know, just your normal teenager contradictions, if we don't take account of one thing: she dies.
How would you read them again if we supposed that she knew in advance about her death? And if we supposed she knew about all the war that was going on into Hakaze's clan? So, if we supposed that it was all an Aika scheme, all the little contradictions makes a bit more sense.

She worked to strengthen Mashiro/Yoshino friendship and also to made them fall in love with her. That would explain her ambiguous behavior toward Mashiro and her stepping back with Yoshino. She trained Mashiro to the role of the jealous brother (being not her brother) and Yoshino to the role of the boyfriend (being not a boyfriend, if we take her step back metaphorically). We so could going on with Hakaze playing the dead girl (so she will be alive) and Samon playing the bad guy (being a good one) and the blonde one as the good one (being the bad guy).
The part where I can't put things together is the one related to how she managed to strengthen their friendship. But if you look back to the invitation of Yoshino to her holiday house, with that move alone she strengthen her relationship with Yoshino, strengthen Mashiro/Yoshino friendship and nurtured Mashiro jealousy
So, Mashiro has his role and also Yoshino. Looking from this perspective Aika looks like more the writer than an actress. So that should imply that she knows.
Back to a less meta argumentation, if I can accept by remote chance that she schemed everything I have to ask not why first, but how she knew? And back then I answered myself with that time travel /communication between timeline possibility. But it could even be that she is just the main actress and not the writer. So someone else directed her.

Last note, I know that this is not a theory, I have no clues, I'm just speculating
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Old 2012-11-30, 22:06   Link #576
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aika is somekind of a precog?hehe...
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Old 2012-11-30, 23:06   Link #577
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This episode reminds me of the "time is out of joint" quote from the first episode of the series. I wonder if the timelines aren't as linear as we would think it to be.
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Old 2012-12-01, 03:11   Link #578
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I thought that I heard the frustrated princess is yelling, "Salmon".
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Old 2012-12-01, 03:22   Link #579
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I thought that I heard the frustrated princess is yelling, "Salmon".
Hakaze eating Salmon infront of Samon.

Someone should do this fan-art now.
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Old 2012-12-01, 04:01   Link #580
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Hakaze eating *Samon* infront of Samon.

Someone should do this fan-art now.
ftfy, no need to thank me

back to topic, I'm surprised that the time flew by so quickly considering those guys are essentially on the same spot, that just shows how engaging those verbal battles are. While I thought the first 6 episodes were solid if not spectacular, the last few upped the ante and the way the puzzle pieces are starting to fall into places is quite satisfying to watch. (With that it brings my Friday over Saturday as the best anime day for me)
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