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Old 2012-11-27, 13:32   Link #441
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Yes, it does. Because it matters to them.
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Old 2012-12-01, 21:47   Link #442
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Spoiler for The End...:
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Old 2012-12-01, 22:15   Link #443
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It's a surprising happy ending. But then you remember that this ends under the old, pre-Madoka system. It's still as happy as the situation allows though but it does make you wonder, if this even can work out post-Homura. I mean, it all begins with the original Kazumi dying after all...
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Old 2012-12-01, 22:52   Link #444
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It's a surprising happy ending. But then you remember that this ends under the old, pre-Madoka system. It's still as happy as the situation allows though but it does make you wonder, if this even can work out post-Homura. I mean, it all begins with the original Kazumi dying after all...
Maybe it's not so much about changing the laws of the universe instead of knowing how to make a happy life out of your current exhistence.

The witch system does allow for a proper happy and long life, it's just that the vast majority of Puella Magi screw up due to to overtly imbalanced wishes they can't bear the burden of.

Kazumi only wished to be human, she is only interested in accomplishing a normal and enjoyable life so the brutal causality of the universe has no dellusional dreams to crush and turn into despair.

The message of the series would be that to achieve happiness in the most difficult of settings, one needs to find the love of herself before considering the love for others. In other words, do what makes you happy intead of expecting happiness to come from helping the fortune of others.
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Old 2012-12-01, 23:16   Link #445
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Well, come April 15, 2011, that life ends.
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Old 2012-12-01, 23:38   Link #446
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well that's cool, I'm actually happy for the girls who made it, they went through so much stuff so they deserve it.

But I can't think of this as a 100% happy ending, more like a bittersweet one. Yes, they did it, but Nico, Saki, Mirai, False Nico and big boobed girl died in the process.
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Old 2012-12-01, 23:42   Link #447
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It's a surprising happy ending. But then you remember that this ends under the old, pre-Madoka system. It's still as happy as the situation allows though but it does make you wonder, if this even can work out post-Homura. I mean, it all begins with the original Kazumi dying after all...
I don't think anyone other than Madoka herself is concerned with changing the world. Even for Homura, she would be happy as long as one life (Madoka's) is saved.
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Old 2012-12-01, 23:49   Link #448
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So... Wait... What?

A happy ending?

So if it was Post-Madoka, then Kanna Hijiri would find out about demons, go rage-mode over them (though to a lesser extent since Kazumi hadn't been created), so fuse the demons all together..

This is confusing..
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Old 2012-12-01, 23:59   Link #449
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This is obviously pre-madoka, if it wasn't they would be fighting demons instead. Oh well, at least Gen wants to continue the Madoka series after the movies so we might know where does this actually take place.
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Old 2012-12-02, 00:01   Link #450
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This is obviously pre-madoka, if it wasn't they would be fighting demons instead. Oh well, at least Gen wants to continue the Madoka series after the movies so we might know where does this actually take place.
I know, but that's a what if situation.. Once it's Post-Madoka. o3o
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Old 2012-12-02, 03:53   Link #451
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You know, this ending is highly fitting.

Being human is exactly what Kazumi wished for. That's pretty much the one wish the karmic flow of the universe wouldn't fuck over. Oh my god.
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Old 2012-12-02, 05:53   Link #452
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You know, this ending is highly fitting.

Being human is exactly what Kazumi wished for. That's pretty much the one wish the karmic flow of the universe wouldn't fuck over. Oh my god.
Actually, I think that the Incubators might start taking the results of these experiments, and work on reviving Witches and Fallen Puella Magis from the dead to make up for Production Shortfalls.

Kazumi is the first of her kind: An artificial Puella Magi, and a Resurrected Puella Magi from a Witch. This is a glorious breakthrough for the Incubators.
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Old 2012-12-02, 07:41   Link #453
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actually, i think that the incubators might start taking the results of these experiments, and work on reviving witches and fallen puella magis from the dead to make up for production shortfalls.

Kazumi is the first of her kind: An artificial puella magi, and a resurrected puella magi from a witch. This is a glorious breakthrough for the incubators.
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Old 2012-12-02, 07:50   Link #454
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Actually, I think that the Incubators might start taking the results of these experiments, and work on reviving Witches and Fallen Puella Magis from the dead to make up for Production Shortfalls.

Kazumi is the first of her kind: An artificial Puella Magi, and a Resurrected Puella Magi from a Witch. This is a glorious breakthrough for the Incubators.
but will this all matter once Madoka makes her wish? This really sounds promising for incubators, as an unlimited source of energy though.
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Old 2012-12-02, 12:33   Link #455
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It does matter; remember from the perspective of the universe, things keep going in the original universe until Madoka modifies it. It's not a linear progression where the world stops existing that day; Madoka also has to extend to the far, far future to collect Puella Magi souls before she rewrites the cosmos.
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Old 2012-12-02, 14:28   Link #456
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But Madoka quote modify it, so how can it matter in the long run? And it's not even that things change "that day", as you can see at the end of the anime where even the past is changed. It's not like the universe needed this to happen in order to continue, so what relevance does it have?
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Because Kazumi are her friends are the protagonists of the story, so it matters to them. It's relevant because they are people and what they go through matters. That's why Kyubey's callous disregard of human suffering is so monstrous.

Once you start disregarding the struggles of the Pleiades because it doesn't matter on a cosmic scale, you become Kyubey.

A sociopath.
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Old 2012-12-02, 15:49   Link #458
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It's not even on a cosmic scale. It's on the story's scale. Once Madoka does her thing, this story doesn't happen. And whether this story happens or not does not in any way affect Madoka's story, so you can't even say that everything Homura did was meaningless as a counter argument.

And please, let's not start acting like fictional characters are real, and that disregarding them makes one a sociopath.
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I'm just saying that disregarding the story's merits on the basis that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of the fictional universe they exist in is wrong. They're our protagonists, so we need to measure the worth of their accomplishments in their own context. Their story will 'exist' within their own timeline. Madoka's ascension doesn't really effect them, temporally. And even when Madoka does overwrite their universe, she'll probably uplift Kazumi to her Magical Girl Valhalla, so that's still +1 soul reaped.
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Old 2012-12-13, 06:52   Link #460
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I notice the changed of Kaori's magica form.I thought it look like a white catsuit with hood but now it looks more like a robe
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