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View Poll Results: Total Eclipse - Episode 22 Rating
Perfect 10 5 16.13%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 12 38.71%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 10 32.26%
7 out of 10 : Good 3 9.68%
6 out of 10 : Average 1 3.23%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 0 0%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2012-12-11, 01:06   Link #41
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Well, its still up in the air, its going to be an anime original, since if you follow the magazine you would know who Yuuya fights if different... For all we know it might be Deus Ex BETA in the end...
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Old 2012-12-11, 01:11   Link #42
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Iím so relieved that that weíll get BETAs for the last couple of episodes. In this episode they do awake, but donít even appear on screen (only some lasers blasted to the sky).

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More like "I made it! Now to board the J-10... Whats this sticky fluid on the controls, hydraulic fluid?"
I think that death scene you described is more fitting for the Xenomorphs in Alien movies than BETAs .
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Old 2012-12-11, 01:18   Link #43
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Here's how I see it going down. Scar-face gets in his TSF. Starts off strong. If he turns out to be the Japanese instructor from the first two episodes, there'll be a moment where this is revealed to Yuki, which causes her to lock up, because we all know she locks up when the shit hits the fan. If he's really the end boss, Yuya ends up finding some inner reserve and becoming one with is machine at the sight of Yuki's imminent death at the hands of Scar-Face, and comes from behind to destroy him and cement Yuki as a permanent member of his future harem. Not that it was ever in doubt, of course.

If, however, it's really the BETA who end up being the end boss, I can see Argos Flight taking Scar-face down collectively as a team, with a few witty platitudes of how they're all there for Yuya, after Yuya first attempts to be the lone hero, then when the BETA show up as the real end boss, in numbers far larger than they ever could imagine and all hope seems lost, Yuya has his moment where he becomes one with his machine and convinces Leon to abandon his American mission to set off those bombs, and the two shout heroically like men as they show of their mad skillz to turn back the BETA threat and lead their respective flights to glory (while sticking it to those power-hungry Americans).

On a side note: no microwave gun?

End scene being some cryptic statement from pretty-boy behind the scenes as a hook for anime viewers to get into the Muv-Luv franchise.
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Old 2012-12-11, 07:47   Link #44
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Here's how I see it going down. Scar-face gets in his TSF. Starts off strong. If he turns out to be the Japanese instructor from the first two episodes, there'll be a moment where this is revealed to Yuki, which causes her to lock up, because we all know she locks up when the shit hits the fan. If he's really the end boss, Yuya ends up finding some inner reserve and becoming one with is machine at the sight of Yuki's imminent death at the hands of Scar-Face, and comes from behind to destroy him and cement Yuki as a permanent member of his future harem. Not that it was ever in doubt, of course.

If, however, it's really the BETA who end up being the end boss, I can see Argos Flight taking Scar-face down collectively as a team, with a few witty platitudes of how they're all there for Yuya, after Yuya first attempts to be the lone hero, then when the BETA show up as the real end boss, in numbers far larger than they ever could imagine and all hope seems lost, Yuya has his moment where he becomes one with his machine and convinces Leon to abandon his American mission to set off those bombs, and the two shout heroically like men as they show of their mad skillz to turn back the BETA threat and lead their respective flights to glory (while sticking it to those power-hungry Americans).

On a side note: no microwave gun?

End scene being some cryptic statement from pretty-boy behind the scenes as a hook for anime viewers to get into the Muv-Luv franchise.
I'll cook and eat my snickers(or was it sneakers) if what you say happens
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Old 2012-12-11, 11:37   Link #45
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I'll cook and eat my snickers if what you say happens
Why would that be a punishment?
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Old 2012-12-12, 03:10   Link #46
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^i meant sneakers or lebron's? It fuc*ing typo
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Old 2012-12-12, 03:15   Link #47
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I think Yuuya if he ever encounters ScarFace will later have to pass the fight to Leon. Leon would fight him to the very end... Yuuya will continue with his mission together will the girls. I think Yuuya's ex will die together with Leon... Well that's what I think...
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Old 2012-12-12, 04:02   Link #48
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Mmmm, Mmmm, this was quite fun indeed.

To be honest, despite all the douchebaggery behind their thinking, I have to agree with AMERICA - that USSR could potentially get a hold of G-elements is a situation that cannot be allowed to pass. I mean, it sounds already like that they're even worse then they were historically, with massed minority conscription, political oppression, science experiments run amok and Red Army shooting up their own settlements once in a while.
Desperate times, man. The USSR lost like 98% of their territory and probably a similar proportion of population, they are probably like Israel crossed with North Korea by now.
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Old 2012-12-12, 04:17   Link #49
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Its more like, IF the BETA on earth were all destroyed, and IF all the Hives were taken intact, and IF Russia is able to claim the land that they originally own (and China as well, btw), then MAYBE, they would potentially have lots of G-elements.

Based on ASS out of U and ME assumptions, America wants to kill off an entire culture. Right or Wrong, up to you.
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Old 2012-12-12, 05:14   Link #50
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i don't blame them. because it's human nature.

i remember Cao Cao Famous saying from Romance of 3 kingdom.

"I would rather betray the world than let the world betray me."
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Old 2012-12-12, 05:22   Link #51
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Cao Cao was also the bad guy in the Three Kingdoms. He lost.
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Old 2012-12-12, 07:03   Link #52
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bad guy or good guy depends on your own personal point of view.

he has his own way to create and protect his country.


and sometimes Politics can be a Cruel game......
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Old 2012-12-12, 10:19   Link #53
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Hitler also believed in his own way to protect his country against the jews, homos, disabled persons, Sinti and Romanies etc...
Stalin or Mao also believed they had to kill millions of people to protect their country/ideology...
i don't blame them. because it's human nature.

I was just being sarcastic and i hope that no one really things that i agree with that.


Like grevierr said.
"Based on ASS out of U and ME assumptions, America wants to kill off an entire culture. Right or Wrong, up to you. "
Yeah it's a cruel game. Lets kill an entire culture because of some assumptions...
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Old 2012-12-12, 11:17   Link #54
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It's not a huge assumption. USSR plans for WWIII included limited nuclear strikes across entire Europe. The political leadership of USSR did not even give a remote dammn about its own people, and given the situation, they are probably worse in Alt!Earth.
I mean, they were happy sacrificing most of European military forces to get their share of G-elements, and as result of their failure entire Europe got nommed. No, they do not deserve a vote of confidence. Nobody does, because all MuvLuv natiosn are equally bad or corrupted - U.S has AMERICA, USSR had COMMUNIST BULLSHIT, Japan has YAMATO DAMASHII...

Also, do note that there is a difference between strategically sabotaging Soviet war effort without completely eliminating it (which is what Infinities are doing) and the Red Shift plan.

The way I understand it, Red Shift is something completely different - it's the last proverbial "Holy Shit, everything is going down" plan meant to be issued in case of immediate overrun of Alaska by BETA. It's not that everyone expects Soviets to fail, but in case they do, you gotta have a back-up plan. Now, if only Americans didn't have to use Hydrogen bombs out of all things...and if you think about it, if BETAs invade Alaska, then it means Kamchatka was overrun, which would indicate that almost all Soviets are dead anyway.

Funny enough, Poland had a similar plan during WWII that involved blowing up a part of peninsula of Hel to make it an island to wither Nazi siege. Curiously, it failed because detonators didn't go off, from what I remember.

Also, take into consideration that Soviet officers are aware of it - Rogovsky/Rogofski being knows it (it's a good bet that Sandek is being left out of the loop, being Polish; or is just bullshiting to Yuuya, which is likely given he had Zhar battalion killed). And they don't seem to care. That should say volumes about their attitude to just about everything. Even potentially giving them any advantage is risky at best. U.S is being pragmatic, and probably every government in their position would do the same.

Saying that America is trying to get all Soviets to die in a blaze of thermonuclear glory is a bit of a stretch. If this was the case, they could have simply make USSR starve to death in Kamchatka, and stop supplying their military. Fulcrum? Terminator? Berkut, of all things - they are all made with U.S technology, and with covert assistance of U.S tech specialists.
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Old 2012-12-12, 13:32   Link #55
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Hmmm true. Instead on really working and fighting together against mankinds extinction, they have nothing better to do than to fuck each other. Sorry for my wording.
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Old 2012-12-13, 01:16   Link #56
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Also, do note that there is a difference between strategically sabotaging Soviet war effort without completely eliminating it (which is what Infinities are doing) and the Red Shift plan.
Well, I was pointing at what Leon said while trashing the Russian G-element research facility, which Kouki mentioned on Twitter as doing G-element or G-bomb research. Whether or not he knows about redline is not clear, but I'm taking it that the higher ups are of the same opinion and they do know about it.

About the America part, I was using simplified terms, my bad, which i will go into below. However, if you look into the fact that the Redline was set up just before they rented it to the Russian, and then they opened up a BETA research facility just behind the line, where it is possible for an "unforeseen circumstance" event to occur at the will of those behind it, then it becomes somewhat more sinister.

Essentially, while the Russian command uses their men as meat shields, a certain portion of US is willing to let the Russians use their population as meat shields as well, in order to pro-actively gain control.



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Saying that America is trying to get all Soviets to die in a blaze of thermonuclear glory is a bit of a stretch. If this was the case, they could have simply make USSR starve to death in Kamchatka, and stop supplying their military. Fulcrum? Terminator? Berkut, of all things - they are all made with U.S technology, and with covert assistance of U.S tech specialists.
Just like there are Republicans and Democrats IRL, there are factions in US, so not surprised to see them doing things that are conflicting in nature. No time right now will talk more later.
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Old 2012-12-13, 07:24   Link #57
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Guess in the Alternative verse governments / faction group are mainly divided into party of no ideas and party of really bad ideas ( F**k this Earth and G bomb the Sh*T out the whole Euro/Asia) Let me stress is it Political/Groups (a Certain group that want sabotage a certain plan) real douche bag acting behind everyone back .... While there still a number decent people in this alternate verse ( I hope there still the majority ..... But I feel most good and decent people died fighting try to hold off the Beta form there homeland/country )
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Old 2012-12-13, 09:19   Link #58
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I'm fine with everyone dying just as long as Yui, Yuuya, and Chobi survive.

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Cao Cao was also the bad guy in the Three Kingdoms. He lost.
No, Cao Cao wasn't a bad guy. He was the Hero of Chaos and owned most of China out of the Three Kingdoms. Had he won at Chibi than there would never have been a Shu at all and Wu would have been crushed completely, but sadly Guo Jia wasn't there to help convince him to ignore Pang Tong's trickery.

Further, Jin is just a re-established Wei and they're the ones that brought an end to that era. Of course that was soon followed by another war due to Sima Yan becoming lazy(and a sex freak), marrying his mentally retarded son to Jia Chong's daughter, and than putting that mentally retarded son on the throne which lead to Jia Chong's daughter obtaining power through her unable Husband. Naturally that lead to war.
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Old 2012-12-13, 09:58   Link #59
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Old 2012-12-13, 12:54   Link #60
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I approve of more serious and badass Yui. Though her battles in Love have met with little success her battles against BETA is a different story.
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