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Old 2012-12-13, 08:43   Link #261
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Is fate zero not considered CG? Not only fate, Ive seen a huge amount of CG/3D implemention that has been done well in MANY anime. Examples in HSOFD, KORE WA ZOMBIE DESU KA, GYO OVA, and ect.
CG aside, even more anime that has animation even more fluent that Studio Ghilbi has been made for years all the time. I cant even begin to count how many.
There's a difference between effects and background animation and character animation.

Animating body movements using traditional key frame technique is a laborious and time-consuming task. Whereas CGI allows animators to manipulate more freely based on pre-set templates.

While CG effects (lightning, buildings, mechs etc etc) have been accepted as the norm, they still can't quite get the look and feel of 2D character animation nailed with CGI. It's an ongoing process and they're getting better at it as more projects come along. It is primarily a cost-saving measure, but if done right it can open up lots of possibilities not available or simply too expensive to animate in 2D.
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Old 2012-12-13, 10:34   Link #262
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^ The original point was to faithfully adapt the original story in which the anime didnt. That alone defines the purpose.
Then these movies have already failed, since the original anime was much more faithful than they've been. The TV series set out to adapt the Golden Age arc and did just that to near-perfection. Most of the few things it did not include were simply because of censorship issues (usually stuff that involved graphic depictions of rape), whereas this movie series has omitted a lot more things for no reason other than an apparent desire to rush through the goddamn story.

If you ask me, anyone experiencing Berserk for the first time with this movie series is doing the epic story a great disservice.
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Old 2012-12-13, 13:27   Link #263
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^ if you think the anime was faithful, id say berserk wasnt much to speak of. Its more than simple adult themes they left out. Anyway I really think the studio was simply incompetant at the task. With or without the 3D, the predecessors of anime have shown alternative ways of eye candy
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Old 2012-12-13, 13:54   Link #264
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Can you really expect three movies to cover everything the TV series did?
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Old 2012-12-13, 14:22   Link #265
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^ Do you think I thought so? ofc not. My focus is animation here btw. If faith was truth, faith never existed. a nonsensical paradox.

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There's a difference between effects and background animation and character animation.
I am aware, but can you tell me that in throught the entire anime, it lacked animation in any insufficient way? Take for example the motercycle chase by saber. When she was dodging the debris by rider, CG, 3D, and fluent animation in perfect positive correlation. Beautiful

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Old 2012-12-13, 15:23   Link #266
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^ The original point was to faithfully adapt the original story in which the anime didnt. That alone defines the purpose. Id rather watch better crafted remakes if its better in overall quality. The movies areant meant for content outside the normal story. From rumors Ive heard the rest of the story after the golden age is going to be animated. But perhaps a little early to hope, official or not.
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Wait the TV series didn't faithfully adapt the Golden Egg arc? That's not how I heard it. Or are you reffering to the Studio 4*C wanting to do a big ass adaption of the entire series?

These movies didn't seem to run in many theatres but had a good box office average from what I've been able to gather. If the third film (Decent) does well, they could concievably carry over anticipation into new material.
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Old 2012-12-14, 01:47   Link #267
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Can you really expect three movies to cover everything the TV series did?
Well, no. Which is why I am wondering why they are covering material already animated, rather than continuing on where the TV series left off.

Just seems like a very strange business decision by those involved.
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Old 2012-12-14, 01:54   Link #268
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Wait the TV series didn't faithfully adapt the Golden Egg arc? That's not how I heard it. Or are you reffering to the Studio 4*C wanting to do a big ass adaption of the entire series?
The series was quite faithful in a lot of ways, but it still cut out material, including a couple of characters who are essential to the continuation of the story. That's one of the main reasons they needed to do a movie remake before continuing with the story.
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Old 2012-12-14, 05:56   Link #269
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^ my opinion as well. It would have been stupid to make movies starting afterwards. Especially when the rape and ect are important aspects in helping us remember of Berserks dark theme and not just another shonen.
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Old 2012-12-15, 10:55   Link #270
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So what do you think Mican? would you reccomend the films for noobs like me?

I seem to liken it to the LOTR films or better yet, the Watchmen. I'm sure some stuff was excised and switched around, yet they are all around enjoyable films.

I think that the Egg of the King could stand to have been longer though. So you can get a better feel for Guts' gradual growth into the Band of the Hawk.

As it stands the characters are interesting on their own, there is probably a LOT of machinations both external and internal that they left out due to time, but the characters feel real and human all the same to me.

The key thing that they seem to be going for is the scope as far as showing the war between Midland and Tudor and how the characters fit among it (or in Griffiths terms manipulate it). The story boiled down to it's very essence maybe? I took a peek at some parts they covered in the manga and while it seems richer in depth, it doesn't seem like the movies are shallow by any means either.

I greatly look forward to the gang dealing with..............whatever that crazy shit is in "Decent".

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Old 2012-12-16, 15:14   Link #271
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Hm.... Hard to say. Strictly speaking I wouldn't recommend the movies to introduce new viewers because I feel as if they wouldn't get the full experience.

I have to say though, despite the overall compression and quality. The directing was good. For example, in the first movie when they introduced the king of midland. The echo effect as the camera zoomed away from the battlefield and ect were very well implemented. Same goes with Gutts assasination scene. I think if anything, that very well portrayed the first time Gutts stopped to doubt his killing.

As a long term fan of the manga. I would enjoy the movie as more a laid back approach.

Some minor complaints from me is the character development. As you all know, because of the huge skips in minor detail, the characters were never really introduced strongly. Corkus and the rest were certainly much more stronger characters in the manga because of how they grew with the reader throughout the story. Newer viewers would just see them as side characters to support dialogue that carries the story.

Well can all agree Descent has huge hopes from everyone. The trailer looks so bad ass and epic
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Old 2013-01-15, 23:25   Link #272
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i cannot wait at all for Descent to come out...which is when exactly?

btw i like the animation in the first to films, perticularly the second. the look reminds me of dbz budokai games

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Old 2013-01-16, 23:31   Link #273
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Could someone explain Griffith's actions at the end of the movie? Even while watching the tv series long ago, I could never quite figure out the motive to more-or-less throw everything he worked for away. After all his talk about his soldiers being mere tools needed to get what he wants, why has Guts leaving affected him so much?
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Old 2013-01-16, 23:49   Link #274
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After all his talk about his soldiers being mere tools needed to get what he wants, why has Guts leaving affected him so much?
Because by leaving, Guts made Griffith realize he was more than just a tool.
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Old 2013-01-16, 23:54   Link #275
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Delicious sex scene at the end of movie 2
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Old 2013-01-17, 08:42   Link #276
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Could someone explain Griffith's actions at the end of the movie? Even while watching the tv series long ago, I could never quite figure out the motive to more-or-less throw everything he worked for away. After all his talk about his soldiers being mere tools needed to get what he wants, why has Guts leaving affected him so much?
His wife left him so he was kinda angry ;P
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Old 2013-01-27, 05:30   Link #277
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Finally watched the 2nd movie.
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Old 2013-01-27, 05:46   Link #278
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The 2nd Movie was better than expected. Some things were missing but I see the movies more as a supplement to the Manga.. showing off some of its scenes animated and voice acted. So I'm not dissapointed.

Ok, I admit, I do miss some of Charlotte's facial expressions.

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Old 2013-01-27, 19:03   Link #279
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Delicious sex scene at the end of movie 2
A very hot one indeed, especially with Griffith putting his hand... at the right place.

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The 2nd Movie was better than expected. Some things were missing but I see the movies more as a supplement to the Manga.. showing off some of its scenes animated and voice acted. So I'm not dissapointed.

Ok, I admit, I do miss some of Charlotte's facial expressions.

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I also like the way the movies allow the viewers to understand where the manga stands essentially. Without them, I think it would have been more difficult for me to spend time on so many volumes/chapters before grasping the entire universe.

If they animated Charlotte's expression in that particular context, I would be laughing hard.
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Old 2013-01-31, 13:14   Link #280
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If they animated Charlotte's expression in that particular context, I would be laughing hard.
Thankfully, they didn't as it would lessen the impact that Griffin had committed something he shouldn't have.
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