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Old 2012-12-12, 10:50   Link #3501
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So I thought I'd leave this here without comment. Very neat looking XKCD infographic on composition of Congress and Senate. Haven't reviewed for accuracy..



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Old 2012-12-13, 22:01   Link #3502
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On the television series, the Newsroom. In a recent episode this was the last piece of dialog:

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“Ideological purity. Compromise as weakness. A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism. Denying science. Unmoved by facts. Undeterred by new information. A hostile fear of progress. A demonization of education. A need to control women’s bodies. Severe xenophobia. Tribal mentality. Intolerance of dissent, and a pathological hatred of the US government. They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans – though Republicans certainly shouldn’t. But we should call them what they are – the American Taliban."
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Old 2012-12-13, 22:53   Link #3503
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On the television series, the Newsroom. In a recent episode this was the last piece of dialog:
Or Isolationists, safe in there own bubble.
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Old 2012-12-14, 07:02   Link #3504
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAvwSp86hY - Link to the Newsroom thing.

Was pretty good and hits many points.
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Old 2012-12-14, 08:28   Link #3505
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAvwSp86hY - Link to the Newsroom thing.

Was pretty good and hits many points.
At this point everything that was said is public knowledge. This means only those who choose to ignore the obvious would deny what everyone knows.

The human brain is a curious thing; by default we think backwards, trying to bend reality to fit what we believe. And it takes serious training to reverse this, usually no less than years of education.

At this point I no longer think it is possible to make insane people sane again. We can only be glad they are the minority and will naturally die off on their own. The rest of the country is trying to live their lives in reality.

On that note, Susan Rice dropped out. That's unfortunate.

Not just for Rice, but for the GOP finding a NEW way to make the government dysfunctional. Simply reject all appointments of anyone and everyone for no reason. McCain should be ashamed of himself. Selling what's left of his soul like that.
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Old 2012-12-14, 13:56   Link #3506
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I'm really not surprised though that there are many on the web calling him a liar and using faux logic or the such while never bothering to talk about what was even said only that it's all "wrong" and that everyone has gotten the Tea Party "all wrong".

Or my favorite "What about the Liberals?". News flash, this isn't about the Liberals it's about the Tea Party. Wish they would stop pointing fingers at others and look to their own house first.
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Old 2012-12-14, 14:24   Link #3507
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Or my favorite "What about the Liberals?". News flash, this isn't about the Liberals it's about the Tea Party. Wish they would stop pointing fingers at others and look to their own house first.
I think it's a fair question, and I'd be really curious to hear people's proposed answers. The Tea Party seems to have a pretty strict agenda to push, which is why they're compared to the Taliban. Many aspects of the agendas between the two groups arguably match up, although the Taliban goes to a further extreme.

So what is the "liberal agenda"? All that I can think of are broad things like "equality and fairness for all," or "preservation of the environment." There isn't a particularly strict agenda, and it's not like all "liberals" feel strongly about every topic. There are splinter groups within splinter groups.

I also find this mirrored in politics. I've heard some Republican voters criticize the Democrats for being inefficient or "wasting" consolidations of power. It seems like that's because the Democrats have a broad agenda, but they disagree on how best to achieve it and what aspects should be prioritized. They discuss and argue over it. This specifically came up with the "blue dog Democrats" shortly after Obama won his first term for the president. The Republicans, by comparison, seem to get a directive from their leadership structure and then they all vote together on it. Now that the power is split more evenly both sides are largely voting along party lines to counter each other, but over the past 10-20 years it seems to me that there have been more instances of Democrats "stepping out of line" than Republicans. That could just be my memory, though; I haven't counted instances.
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Old 2012-12-15, 10:50   Link #3508
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Obama just publicly stated that he holds the position of a 1980's moderate Republican, in a response to claims of him being a socialist.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_2300998.html

Once again, Obama is telling us something everyone already knows. That we discussed in this thread recently; that Progressives really don't have a voice in America. That the option of a voter is between Moderate Conservative party and a batshit insane Far Fright party. The Left isn't voting Obama because he is progressive, but that the GOP is downright frightening.

It is a surprise that Obama admitted it. But it IS true. Guess he decided that truth might be what we need in this world these days, even though those on the Left are powerless to do anything about it.
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Old 2012-12-15, 12:34   Link #3509
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It is a surprise that Obama admitted it. But it IS true. Guess he decided that truth might be what we need in this world these days, even though those on the Left are powerless to do anything about it.
Please do not delude yourself, it will hurt really bad in the long run. He just wishes to gain the support of a small percentage of republicans that have come to realize that the GOP is mad as a hatter. As you have said, the left can either support Obama or oppose the democrats in key issues (like Michael Moore did in 2000, now how did that ended?).
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Old 2012-12-15, 12:38   Link #3510
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Please do not delude yourself, it will hurt really bad in the long run. He just wishes to gain the support of a small percentage of republicans that have come to realize that the GOP is mad as a hatter. As you have said, the left can either support Obama or oppose the democrats in key issues (like Michael Moore did in 2000, now how did that ended?).
If given the choice between a moderate conservative or the batshit insane, the moderate conservative really is the only choice. Blame the two party system.

Really, we are waiting for the GOP to disintegrate. When it occurs, THEN the Progressives can just split off the Democrats on their own to make a new Left party.
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Old 2012-12-15, 13:25   Link #3511
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Really, we are waiting for the GOP to disintegrate. When it occurs, THEN the Progressives can just split off the Democrats on their own to make a new Left party.
Mark my words, One Piece will end before the GOP self-destructs, 47% is too high a percentage. But for academic purposes lets say it disbands today, no democrat politician is going to leave if there isn't a real party waiting to welcome them. But TBT I do not see today any indications that a new party in the left is taking form in the USA, I see some clowns talking about taking down wall street and what not, but until said theoretical party has at least one seat on the legislative branch, it is not a real political party.
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Old 2012-12-15, 13:32   Link #3512
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They will form their own as soon as the infighting start before the next election.
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Old 2012-12-15, 13:54   Link #3513
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Mark my words, One Piece will end before the GOP self-destructs, 47% is too high a percentage. But for academic purposes lets say it disbands today, no democrat politician is going to leave if there isn't a real party waiting to welcome them. But TBT I do not see today any indications that a new party in the left is taking form in the USA, I see some clowns talking about taking down wall street and what not, but until said theoretical party has at least one seat on the legislative branch, it is not a real political party.
It's not about how many votes they get in the presidential election. It's about whether they can still all agree to work together. That's what decides whether the party lives or splits off in various constituents. And that's true for the Democrats as well as the GOP.

What could happen is that the moderates within the GOP finally say enough is enough to the nutjobs (or the nutjobs kick the moderates tot he curb). The moderates would then join the Democrats which would further pull that party to the right. (As has been happening for a while anyway.)

At that point, the more leftists within the Democrats would start feeling unwelcome.
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Old 2012-12-15, 14:18   Link #3514
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They will form their own as soon as the infighting start before the next election.
Thanks to GOP being such a hostile threat to the safety of the United States, the Democrats would hold the fort on sanity grounds for now. There is nothing to Infight about; Dems are not yet the only game in town.

The Dems would hold together for as long as the GOP does. Very symbiotic.
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Old 2012-12-15, 22:42   Link #3515
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Actually, the xkcd image above points to a key element that's missing in this picture: whenever the Democrats lose ground, it is the "centrist" (for the rest of the world: conservative) Democrats who lose, while progressive seats are generally safe. In other words, they are the backbone of the Democratic Party, though they have to compromise with their conservative party brethren if they want to have their party be the majority, and they are much more used to the notion of compromise than the far right. The American center is inherently unstable.

[/although the xkcd image itself is full of problems the deeper it goes back in time. I can just imagine the facepalms from American political history experts for having to define the Federalists as either Left or Right in the modern sense.]
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Old 2012-12-16, 13:06   Link #3516
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Brace yourselves... here comes the template for mass eradication of democrats in congress come 2014!
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Old 2012-12-16, 13:13   Link #3517
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions, but it does make for a dilemma for the democrats if the bill makes it to a vote.
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Old 2012-12-16, 13:20   Link #3518
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I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions, but it does make for a dilemma for the democrats if the bill makes it to a vote.
In the current environment... the mere fact that it would even make it to the floor will be seen beyond just as shot across the bow.
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Old 2012-12-16, 13:24   Link #3519
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She's been doing that since 2004, it will never pass the house even if it gets passed in the Senate (which I seriously doubt), but you are correct flying.
It will be a rallying cry that will do damage to any politician dumb enough to back it.
Dianne is obsolete, her thinking is obsolete, and her "solutions" to this issue are obsolete.
No matter how much her district may love her, I think her age is showing and it's time to retire Madame Senator.

Notice how the shooting last night is being swept under the proverbial rug.
More than 50 shots fired at Fashion Island mall; suspect held
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,3525149.story

But that was in California where they've had an assault weapon and high-cap mag ban since the 1990s, so that one doesn't count.
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Old 2012-12-16, 14:17   Link #3520
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Notice how the shooting last night is being swept under the proverbial rug.
More than 50 shots fired at Fashion Island mall; suspect held
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,3525149.story

But that was in California where they've had an assault weapon and high-cap mag ban since the 1990s, so that one doesn't count.
It was in the news, so it wasn't swept under the rug. It's not sticking around the news because compared with the shooting that happened two days ago because nobody died, and the person who was injured was not injured as a result of bullets.
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