Total Eclipse - Episode 22 Discussion / Poll

[LeoXiao]

Originally Posted by Destined_Fate

No, Cao Cao wasn't a bad guy. He was the Hero of Chaos and owned most of China out of the Three Kingdoms. Had he won at Chibi than there would never have been a Shu at all and Wu would have been crushed completely, but sadly Guo Jia wasn't there to help convince him to ignore Pang Tong's trickery.

Further, Jin is just a re-established Wei and they're the ones that brought an end to that era. Of course that was soon followed by another war due to Sima Yan becoming lazy(and a sex freak), marrying his mentally retarded son to Jia Chong's daughter, and than putting that mentally retarded son on the throne which lead to Jia Chong's daughter obtaining power through her unable Husband. Naturally that lead to war.

Wow, I was under a totally different impression for some reason. I thought Red Cliff was the end of him.

[Rayrah]

Damn, that was a great episode.

Thank the heavens that Cui survived that blast. Had me really worried there for a bit.

Lt. Dahl is awesome. 'nuff said.

WHYYYYYYYYYYY?! My beloved Berkut shows up, and the person who gets to pilot it is.. the Big Bad? :<

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Alastor Mobius Toth

It's not a huge assumption. USSR plans for WWIII included limited nuclear strikes across entire Europe. The political leadership of USSR did not even give a remote dammn about its own people, and given the situation, they are probably worse in Alt!Earth.
I mean, they were happy sacrificing most of European military forces to get their share of G-elements, and as result of their failure entire Europe got nommed. No, they do not deserve a vote of confidence. Nobody does, because all MuvLuv natiosn are equally bad or corrupted - U.S has AMERICA, USSR had COMMUNIST BULLSHIT, Japan has YAMATO DAMASHII...

Also, do note that there is a difference between strategically sabotaging Soviet war effort without completely eliminating it (which is what Infinities are doing) and the Red Shift plan.

The way I understand it, Red Shift is something completely different - it's the last proverbial "Holy Shit, everything is going down" plan meant to be issued in case of immediate overrun of Alaska by BETA. It's not that everyone expects Soviets to fail, but in case they do, you gotta have a back-up plan. Now, if only Americans didn't have to use Hydrogen bombs out of all things...and if you think about it, if BETAs invade Alaska, then it means Kamchatka was overrun, which would indicate that almost all Soviets are dead anyway.

Funny enough, Poland had a similar plan during WWII that involved blowing up a part of peninsula of Hel to make it an island to wither Nazi siege. Curiously, it failed because detonators didn't go off, from what I remember.

Also, take into consideration that Soviet officers are aware of it - Rogovsky/Rogofski being knows it (it's a good bet that Sandek is being left out of the loop, being Polish; or is just bullshiting to Yuuya, which is likely given he had Zhar battalion killed). And they don't seem to care. That should say volumes about their attitude to just about everything. Even potentially giving them any advantage is risky at best. U.S is being pragmatic, and probably every government in their position would do the same.

Saying that America is trying to get all Soviets to die in a blaze of thermonuclear glory is a bit of a stretch. If this was the case, they could have simply make USSR starve to death in Kamchatka, and stop supplying their military. Fulcrum? Terminator? Berkut, of all things - they are all made with U.S technology, and with covert assistance of U.S tech specialists.

Yeah...I'm sure the pilots at the frontline who know the actual situation in the BETA war definitely think the same. RLF may be idiots and filth but at least they have a point in that the governments are far worse.

You can plot and plot and butcher other humans all you want but that won't make the 26 Hives suddenly go away...nor the uncounted Hives on the Moon and Mars

It's like stopping to poison each other's food when there's a wall of flame coming from the adjacent room