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2012-12-20, 23:01 | Link #3322 | |
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2012-12-20, 23:04 | Link #3323 | |
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Doing a quick Internet search, the term "live ammunition" seems to be used more oft than not where you would use the term "real ammunition." Indeed, the phrase "live ammunition" brings up news reports and such items about Marines on the first page of results. The phrase "real ammunition" brings up mostly stories and adverts for bullets that will kill zombies for its first page of results. Thank you. This is pretty much exactly how I feel about her "leadership" abilities, but couldn't find the right words to blurt out. As you say, lacking command presence and an unwillingness to enforce discipline are her biggest problems. On reflection, perhaps my kindergarten analogy wasn't all that far afield. Unlike the sports you mention played in high school, where the emphasis is on winning as much as everything else, Miho seems like she would be perfectly satisfied with the "everyone's a winner" attitude you would find on a kindergarten playground (at least in my neck of the woods), so long as everyone's happy and having fun. The problem with that, of course, is that, even if it wasn't such an ordeal this year, the school administrators wouldn't be very happy if you lost all of your battles because you were just having fun. Although I agree with you that she might be a very good second in command, who would you recommend to take her place as commander? |
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2012-12-20, 23:05 | Link #3324 |
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That's a fairly hilarious head replacement considering that the original is Shirley's imagine spot of Trude Barkhorn in a dress.
Speaking of command and Miho being the XO of the Black Forest team: Perhaps the incident and her abrupt departure caused her to lose some assertiveness. Though presumably BF was a lot more formal in their command hierarchy as it was, so people listened to her, and she to Maho. |
2012-12-20, 23:10 | Link #3325 | |
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2012-12-20, 23:11 | Link #3326 | |
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I'm not sure you realize how ridiculous your argument is sounding here. I'm also not sure why you're arguing it. These are obviously not paintballs they're shooting. We know and can blatantly see that these are still extremely deadly rounds. Due to added protections in the tank armor no one is likely to be killed unless they're hanging outside the tank while under fire, like Miho, but the rounds, while probably reduced in power, are still real enough.
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2012-12-20, 23:18 | Link #3327 | |
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-Miho is displaying traits of a young officer, and a good one at that. All the shortcomings, which you identified, I can already see the beginings of her overcoming them. Her epiphany of sensha-do being enjoyable is continuing to broaden, and as it does her confidence grows. Her chief motivation is for the success of her comrades, and of them as a group, not for her own reputation or her own advancement. This is a root tenet we look for in young leaders, and try our best to nurture. She has displayed the technical and tactical proficiency she needs, and an ability to rapidly assess a situation and issue effective orders. What she must overcome is the idea that she is inadequate, a failure, and possibly a coward, all things she apparently was branded with before she transferred to Ooarai. When these things come from (as I think they did) her own Mother, as well as her classmates, and possibly her older sister, they can really take hold of a person, and cripple them. I see her developing quite well in her new school, and I think able to develope more than she might have been able to at Black Forest Peak. I'd be perfectly fine with her as an officer in my unit. |
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2012-12-20, 23:22 | Link #3328 | |
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Not real enough?, even added more protection for tank armor, some tank like Type 89 can't bear the shot from 128mm even if they reduced in power but "real enough", it will still shred the Type 89 easily and killed entire crew. The ammunition were producted for it can't penetrate any tank with any type of shells, useless you aim and shoot the human just like shoot unarmored vital points of someone by paintball gun that why all paintball players wear armor from head to toe because the paint ball still deadly. No paintball players join the game without armor just like no girl will come out the tank while they are shooting.
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2012-12-20, 23:23 | Link #3329 |
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None. You could already see that no one in Ooarai has both experience and knowledge to lead the team. Heck, aside from the student council and the volley ball group (though not as extreme), none of the other girls has a sense of tension for losing.
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2012-12-20, 23:33 | Link #3330 |
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Wow there's a lot of discussion about the ammo the tanks use. It apparently would be harmful to one of the girls if one actually struck her because-
-They refer to it as "armor piercing ammunition" -The recoil depicted indicates a tremendous amount of muzzle velocity -While the warheads aren't nearly as explosive as the original, from the amount of earth and rock they kick up they are likely as powerful as about 1/4 pound (4 ounces) of TNT. Won't hurt a tank, and if that 'carbon lining' is something like spall lining, then the crews inside should not be in any great danger. So, even though the ammo is obviously toned down, and likely even down to 10% or less of the original's power, striking an unprotected human would be messy. Think of a baseball at about 350 mph |
2012-12-20, 23:40 | Link #3331 | |
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Miho is like those kids who have their parents shove rackets in their hands when they are six and make them train hours a day so they could win at Wimbledon.The whole rescue thing just gave her the motivation to walk away. I like Milho and it makes sense that she would be this way but she needs to over come it if she wants to truly help her team. She has come to love the game again but she is still not working at her full potential. This is just my own opinion on games but if you are not playing to win them why are you playing at all?Now what I mean is that it is no fun to be walked all over and it is no fun to be able to win in your sleep.So if you like the game you need to plan on winning every game you play for your sake and your opponent's.That does not mean not to have fun with it or that winning is the most important thing.Just that you should try your best every game so that everyone on all sides can have fun. |
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2012-12-20, 23:41 | Link #3332 | |
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For example, there's a true leadership in Anzu. She's a politician, who led them in total vision, weigh decision and final responsibility. Miho acts as acting General at Frontline. She made Battle-order, then lead actual combat and manage. But of course, she can't force discipline because her personality as you pointed out. Anzu is clever. She knows what needed. Ooarai had vital asset already. Flag Sergeant. Some says, "Generals gave order, Officers too, but who move military is Sergeant. Sergeant moves world". In Ooarai team, Anzu gave that position to Momo. Remember? Alway She shouts, made order, force discipline, but not allowed for make decision. I think Momo already understanding what she play for, under Anzu's management. Everybody hate her, but with love. That is what flag sergeant for. I think Ooarai is well organized, that is what they made strong. Not by Miho's talent, but whole team. I couldn't accuse her. Everybody had weakness, but human can supports each other, it made us strong. This is what Girls & Panzer shows us. No killing, No harms, but showing legend of sports like "Mighty Ducks". So, please stop talking about "killing","damaged","injure", or "penetration", and "leadership" and "commanding", everyone. Forget about it. I don't want to see everybody in arguement about wrong point of view. |
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2012-12-21, 00:25 | Link #3334 |
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He is saying that just the size and velocity of the large shells from something like the IS-2 and the Tiger II should be powerful enough to punch though both sides of a Type 89 without stopping.
Basically called bullshit on the carbon layer from what I can tell.
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2012-12-21, 01:10 | Link #3335 |
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I'm saying if real shells, something like 122mm from IS-2, 88mm from Tiger and King Tiger, Ferdinand, also 128mm from JagdTiger cut though a Type 89, M3 Lee, Panzer 38(t) include it's crew and fart the carbon-coating layer out of Earth surface like a hot knife cut a cheese. The Senshado's shells are reduced pretty much stopping power. As same as paintballs for paintball game, they're don't strong enough to go though the armor, but if you shoot non-protected vitol points with paintballs/ tank crew in Senshado with special shells deliberately, you will still kill people.
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In the end GuP is a work of fiction. If they tell you the shells are specially made and the tanks interior and it's occupands are protected with carbon, vibranium, adamantium, magic or the power of whatever god there is, that's where real life logic and science stops applying, and hope this discussion ends here because enough catgirls have died so far. Last edited by Kamui04; 2012-12-21 at 02:38. |
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2012-12-21, 02:46 | Link #3338 |
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Lots of discussions since yesterday:
I think the show did a good job portraying the characters. Sure I know nothing about the first year students, but I don't know about Saki's cannon folder characters either. Let's use a classic as an example: Touch. I know about the Uesugi brothers, I know about Koutarou (catcher), but I don't know anything about the rest of the meisei team. And Touch is a 26 Vol manga, 101 episode anime and is a character driver show. Girls und Panzer will be more similar to a sports show that has a big team, like soccer or baseball, in which one do not need character development on every teammates on the main team. The main problem, is that not alot of people is talking about the characters, which I believe is what Midonin is actually complaining. Since everyone is so busy talking about tank spec (tank A has 88mm cannon, tank B has XYZ armor), which is perfectly valid (we are in an anime forum, as long as you are having fun and not abusing others, you are cool), but kinda alienate people who has no interest in tank spec. In Saki the post between the girls and Mahjong discussion is about 5:1. In here it is 10:1, maybe 20:1 in favor of tank specs. But that can be solved by having sub forums. Tank buff can talk about tank specs all day long, and Midonin and I can talk about characters. Talking about characters, 50 pages ago I already said that Miho makes excellent executive officier but not a very good commanding officer due to her nature. She reminds me of Kouzuki Sinon from Starship Operators. btw, Starship Operators is a great show. Can everyone stop talking about penetration and casualty? It is a fictional show. They are using magic bullets. Live with it. None of our girls are going to get blasted in pieces. Though the whole casualty talk brought in an interesting thought: What is the EXPECTATION of a Senshado practitioner in terms of injury? As that will directly link to the whole Ideology of Shiho and Mishizumi school. It seems that Shiho and Mishizumi school expects one to die for Senshado (thus going out of the tank and save someone is "wrong") It is OK as long as everyone who practice Senshado agree to it. (Swordsman back in the day expects to live and die by the sword, thus Miyamoto Musashi is a swordsman, not a murderer. Before every duel, both sides understand it is a fight to the death). Do Senshado practitioner sign the accident waiver form before they enter the match?
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