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Old 2012-12-16, 15:51   Link #721
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well, during the Cp9 arc Lucci was probably at Tashigi's current level. Maybe a little stronger, so if we go by rank, Lucci 2 years ago was a Captain.
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Old 2012-12-16, 16:25   Link #722
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More likely was somewhere between Commodore and Rear Admiral IMHO
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Old 2012-12-16, 16:32   Link #723
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Frankie's hair is SUPER crazy in this arc. Loving it.

I think Luffy and Zoro were not taking their respected fights seriously at all, Momonga & Shuzo looked a bit worried near the end.

This filler gets better and better it just has everything.
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Old 2012-12-16, 21:54   Link #724
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I doubt that Lucci was VA level two years ago...but now? Yea, he's probably reached or even surpassed that level but during the CP9 Arc? Not very likely.
It seems ludicrous to assume that Lucci wasn't at VA level,considering how revered his status was amongst the VAs at Enies Lobby, added to the fact that he was the only individual who mastered rokushiki and was considered a legendary child prodigy in the marines.

If a random VA was defeated by a rookie, do you think its impact would be as great as Lucci being defeated?

Why underestimate Rob Lucci and overestimate the vice admirals? There are so many VAs that the weaker ones can be very weak. Remember that VA level means that you are able to tango with any VA, which means that the lower bound is very low indeed. Smoker was easily VA level before the time skip despite being only a captain.
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Old 2012-12-16, 22:50   Link #725
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It seems ludicrous to assume that Lucci wasn't at VA level,considering how revered his status was amongst the VAs at Enies Lobby, added to the fact that he was the only individual who mastered rokushiki and was considered a legendary child prodigy in the marines.

If a random VA was defeated by a rookie, do you think its impact would be as great as Lucci being defeated?

Why underestimate Rob Lucci and overestimate the vice admirals? There are so many VAs that the weaker ones can be very weak. Remember that VA level means that you are able to tango with any VA, which means that the lower bound is very low indeed. Smoker was easily VA level before the time skip despite being only a captain.
I might be wrong but the VAs at EL simply stated that he'd survive the Buster Call attack. Plus, being a Rokushiki master and a prodigy does not automatically grant one a VA like status.

What impact? The major impact the strawhats had that arc was the actual raid on EL and the proclamation of war on the WG. Yes, the defeat of the CP9 was acknowledged but it was a group thing rather than "Monkey D. Luffy defeated Rob Lucci".

In my opinion I'm not really underestimating Lucci, rather I believe you are overestimating Lucci and even Smoker. Pre-timeskip Smoker had knowledge of Haki but no mastery over it...he was most certainly not VA level, he was a Logia user which in the first part of the GL was a huge thing making him seem much stronger than what he actually was. Smoker relied so much on his devil fruit power that a VA with Haki control would just bash his brains in.
I agree that there might have been different levels within the VA rank but at best...at very best Lucci would have been nearly the same level as the weaker VAs. We're talking about guys that fought WB Division Captains and NW famous captains one-on-one and we've even seen them using little haki abilities during the war, imagine how much stronger they are with Haki.

I have no doubt that Lucci, Smoker, most of the Supernovas and so on have reached VA levels during the timeskip, specially if they spend that time in the NW...but pre-timeskip I doubt they were at such levels.

But well...that's my opinion at least.
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Old 2012-12-17, 00:18   Link #726
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What impact? The major impact the strawhats had that arc was the actual raid on EL and the proclamation of war on the WG. Yes, the defeat of the CP9 was acknowledged but it was a group thing rather than "Monkey D. Luffy defeated Rob Lucci".
I was referring to when Kuma mentioned Lucci's defeat to Moria, and warned him to be careful with Luffy.

Maybe you are right. Just read that there are 'only' 16 VAs in the entire naval organization. So maybe Lucci was not 'VA-level' before the time skip.
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Old 2012-12-22, 22:57   Link #727
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So i guess that's the end of the filler? Really enjoyed Giant Luffy.
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Old 2012-12-23, 06:44   Link #728
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The battle against Neo Navy continues.
Luffy vs Shuzo.
That was interesting to watch.
The guy was crazy strong!
Even Luffy had a serious problem with him.
Luckily Lily stepped up and made things more interesting.
At least they finally got the chance to taste Lily's dad's cooking ^^
And off they go towards new adventures!
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Old 2012-12-23, 11:46   Link #729
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Not surprised these fillers didn't last long, guess they couldn't out stretch the release of the movie.

Good all round episode. Shame lily is a filler character having her about all the time to create giant luffy would have been amazing.

I'm hungry after seeing that volcano food *drools*

Any idea if the next couple of episodes are filler or if we will go onto the next main story arc?
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Old 2012-12-23, 13:08   Link #730
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I'm gonna miss my Lily T_T I really liked her a lot despite being a filler character.

From the preview it looks like we're jumping right into the Punk Hazard Arc which is the next canon arc. Quite surprised they didn't make more filler to gain some distance (this filler was just for the movie like the previous one), especially considering that the next arc isn't even finished in the manga yet (though the end seems near).
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Old 2012-12-23, 14:58   Link #731
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Lol, Giant Luffy looked kinda retarded xD
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Old 2012-12-23, 15:11   Link #732
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Lol, Giant Luffy looked kinda retarded xD
I think it's because of the clothes, he would have looked more normal if he were wearing clothes that actually fit.
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Old 2012-12-23, 23:38   Link #733
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well, during the Cp9 arc Lucci was probably at Tashigi's current level. Maybe a little stronger, so if we go by rank, Lucci 2 years ago was a Captain.
Sanji, Usopp, Nami, Robin n Co crushed an army of captains at Enies Lobby like they were fodder.

Lucci was way higher than captain level.
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Old 2012-12-23, 23:50   Link #734
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Can't believe Lily was only a filler character :/. Lily expanding in Luffy's stomach and turning him into a giant was a little dumb and unrealistic, only in a filler lol. Giant Luffy was cool though, what if he used Gear Third in giant form!? would be awesome

Shuzo's alpaca canon was awesome XD. But how does a canon eat a devil fruit?? And how does a sword (Spandam's) eat a devil fruit for that matter?
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Old 2012-12-24, 01:31   Link #735
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Well, when I saw giant Luffy (really filler material here, since no way Oda would do something so out of logic like that), I thought we were going to get a chance to see Luffy with boobies. Oh well, they missed that opportunity.
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Old 2012-12-24, 12:36   Link #736
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Shuzo's alpaca canon was awesome XD. But how does a canon eat a devil fruit?? And how does a sword (Spandam's) eat a devil fruit for that matter?
Recent manga chapters offered an answer to this.
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As for Giant Luffy, that has to be the most disgusting thing we've seen in the whole series. Not just his appearance, but the fact the Lily was actually inside of him, wearing him like a full-body suit. Blech!
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Recent manga chapters offered an answer to this.
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Old 2012-12-25, 09:57   Link #738
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I think the next episode is back to the main story given its title. Didn't expect it to finish a filler arc so fast.
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Old 2012-12-27, 13:48   Link #739
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I still find it absolutely ridiculous and HILARIOUS how people think that Luffy and co are suddenly admiral level monsters after the two year training...because they would have to be near that level to take out a seasoned veteran VA like Momonga. Luffy was never seen defeating or even being close to beating an admiralnot close to beating a admiral, but VA's? might have been a tough battle but im sure he could beat alot of the va's 1v1 wich is the whole point, momongo might be one of the better va's but still luffy shouldnt have too many problems with him after timeskip. (the thing with Garp doesn't count as Garp let Luffy win)Garp was never a admiral so that doesnt count either way, in fact Momonga and Dalmatian nearly killed Luffy back during the war with a single attack each! These guys are supposedly the strongest marines before Admirals, these were the guys that were having one-on-one fights with WB Division Captains...hell one of them was the one that put the Sea Stone cuffs on Marco of all people! wouldnt really count this marco thing seeing as they didnt even do it in a proper fight, also, how long had luffy been fighting? just being cured from something that should have killed him

Luffy and co being at VA level after two years is perfectly reasonable and already a huge leap in power for them.
sounds more like a small leap for me
It's also ridiculous that people somehow think the world stood still while the others were training...they weren't in an hyperbolic time chamber, it's assumed that others also got stronger during those two years, even marines.
people might have been training, but not for a full 2 years, the marines have their duties, besides that, alot of marines should be at their strenght limit too imo, there not getting any younger
Lucci was strong...for enemies he fought and the part of the world he was stationed in. Just because a guy IN THE NEW WORLD shows up with a stronger tekkai doesn't make Lucci a weakling. Lucci from two years ago was most certainly weaker than the current Shuzo...but so is Luffy from two years ago, what's your point? obviously my point is that rob lucci was feared and revered throughout the navy, shuzo can be stronger, thats not my issue, my issue is that he blocked luffy like it was nothing while luffy (2 years ago) could defeat the strongest cp 9 who was known for it
And Lucci was never the STRONGEST Rokushiki user ever, he was the strongest CP9 member and mastered all rokushiki techniques but if I remember correctly even Blueno had a stronger Tekkai than him, though was weaker in everything else.

Who knows what rank Shuzo had in the marines, but whatever it was it was high considering his interaction with Momonga and the fact that he's been operating in the NW makes it perfectly reasonable for him to be at VA level.
agreed here, he wouldv been VA probably, but then theres my point again that luffy should be able to beat alot, if not most, va's in my opinion
People need to stop thinking that the two year training magically made Luffy into a monster that can only be compared to beasts like Admirals and Yonkou...there's still a long way to go for him to reach that level and the fact that he can match up to a VA is already an incredible step forward.not saying hes a match for any yonkou or admiral yet, but he did go through 2 years of hard training, he is using haki like a boss now, and still hes barely va level? i dont buy it, right now i think that luffy would be VA->shichibukai=luffy(and in some shichibukai cases hes stronger)->admiral->yonkou
Anyway, since i havent seen the last ep yet, i guess ill watch shuzo get his butt handed to him, if not the filler fails more for me

PS, just saw the first 7 minutes of the filler, totally pisses me off to see luffy defeated so easily, 100% rediculous and nonsense

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Old 2012-12-28, 13:43   Link #740
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Anyway, since i havent seen the last ep yet, i guess ill watch shuzo get his butt handed to him, if not the filler fails more for me

PS, just saw the first 7 minutes of the filler, totally pisses me off to see luffy defeated so easily, 100% rediculous and nonsense
Guy/girl, Luffy learned how to use Haki less than 3 years ago(OP time line), there are people in the New world that have been using it for more than a decade. You expect him to beat them as he is now? Let alone easily? You over estimate Luffy.
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